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    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 18th Oct 19, 5:41 PM
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    Washing machine spin cycle problem
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    Washing machine spin cycle problem 18th Oct 19 at 5:41 PM
    My washing machine is a Hotpoint Electronic 1050 De luxe and is about 25-30 years old. For some time the spin cycle has only worked intermittently and when it does work it doesn't always reach full speed. I can't see any pattern to when it does or doesn't work. Could anybody suggest the possible cause of the problem or what part needs to be replaced? I don't want to replace the entire machine as it's otherwise reliable and does everything I need it to do (when working properly).
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    • molerat
    • By molerat 18th Oct 19, 5:53 PM
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    When were the motor brushes last changed ? At that age it could well be the brushes or commutator bar on the motor that is worn.
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    • By sevenhills 18th Oct 19, 5:59 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 5:59 PM
    My washing machine is a Hotpoint Electronic 1050 De luxe and is about 25-30 years old. For some time the spin cycle has only worked intermittently and when it does work it doesn't always reach full speed. I can't see any pattern to when it does or doesn't work. Could anybody suggest the possible cause of the problem or what part needs to be replaced? I don't want to replace the entire machine as it's otherwise reliable and does everything I need it to do (when working properly).
    Originally posted by GaseousAgley

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    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 18th Oct 19, 6:00 PM
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    When were the motor brushes last changed ? At that age it could well be the brushes or commutator bar on the motor that is worn.
    Originally posted by molerat
    I've had the machine for about 16 years so it's been at least that long since anything in the motor has been changed. Is this something a reasonably competent DIYer could do?
    • molerat
    • By molerat 18th Oct 19, 6:28 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 6:28 PM
    Looking up the model it seems this is not a front loader but an old fashioned top loader. These have a different drive mechanism with a mechanical centrifugal clutch similar to a chainsaw, they are a whole different ballgame. Probably easy DIY but different to diagnose.
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    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 18th Oct 19, 6:55 PM
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    Looking up the model it seems this is not a front loader but an old fashioned top loader. These have a different drive mechanism with a mechanical centrifugal clutch similar to a chainsaw, they are a whole different ballgame. Probably easy DIY but different to diagnose.
    Originally posted by molerat
    Yes, it is a top loader. According to the service manual (which I got when the drainage pump needed replacing) the motor is a 'reversible permanent split capacitor motor with centrifugal clutch between shaft and drive pulley'.

    So as it's a top loader, does this mean it might not be a motor problem at all?
    • tallmansix
    • By tallmansix 18th Oct 19, 8:12 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 8:12 PM
    Have you checked to see if it is still under warranty?
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    • poppellerant
    • By poppellerant 18th Oct 19, 8:19 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 8:19 PM
    The machine is probably regarded as being vintage now and you might be able to sell it to a collector or restorer for a decent amount of money. You might be able to fix it, but it's now at an age where you might end up chasing your tail with repairs.

    Unless it has some sentimental value to you, I would consider buying a new machine rather than risk throwing what may become a continuous amount of money at it to keep it running. I get that there is a "old machines are better" thing, but is it economical to keep a machine of that age running, especially if you're not able to repair it?
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    • By poppellerant 18th Oct 19, 8:20 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 8:20 PM
    Have you checked to see if it is still under warranty?
    Originally posted by tallmansix
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    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 18th Oct 19, 8:22 PM
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    Have you checked to see if it is still under warranty?
    Originally posted by tallmansix
    They haven't been made for 20 years!

    Get a new clutch kit, they're fairly easy to fit & can't cost much. A quick look says about 30.

    Or, if you want to save the planet & your electricity bill, buy a new front loader.
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    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 19th Oct 19, 10:10 AM
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    My washing machine is a Hotpoint Electronic 1050 De luxe and is about 25-30 years old.
    Originally posted by GaseousAgley
    What an amazing example of how well built these sort of machines once were.

    Then they found out how to make things that lasted only so long, typically just longer than the guarantee period and the throwaway society was born.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 19th Oct 19, 10:26 AM
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    What an amazing example of how well built these sort of machines once were.

    Then they found out how to make things that lasted only so long, typically just longer than the guarantee period and the throwaway society was born.
    Originally posted by JohnB47

    Most would choose a automatic these days.


    Just like televisions, there was nothing wrong with the old CRT TVs, big and heavy; but we now have a fashion for big flat TVs, which are much cheaper.

    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 22nd Oct 19, 12:27 PM
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    Get a new clutch kit, they're fairly easy to fit & can't cost much. A quick look says about 30.
    Originally posted by EssexExile
    Thanks, I'll give this a try. The clutch on my machine does look very worn (comparing it to pictures of new ones).
    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 22nd Oct 19, 12:31 PM
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    What an amazing example of how well built these sort of machines once were.

    Then they found out how to make things that lasted only so long, typically just longer than the guarantee period and the throwaway society was born.
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    Completely agree.
    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 22nd Oct 19, 1:53 PM
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    Thanks, I'll give this a try. The clutch on my machine does look very worn (comparing it to pictures of new ones).
    Originally posted by GaseousAgley
    Just thought I'd best mention that it may not spin brilliantly at first with the new clutch in, but after a couple of goes it will be as good as new. Assuming that was the problem!
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    • GaseousAgley
    • By GaseousAgley 22nd Oct 19, 2:03 PM
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    Just thought I'd best mention that it may not spin brilliantly at first with the new clutch in, but after a couple of goes it will be as good as new. Assuming that was the problem!
    Originally posted by EssexExile
    OK, thanks for mentioning this. Don't suppose you know of anything I could do to verify that this is the cause before I buy a new clutch?
    • EssexExile
    • By EssexExile 22nd Oct 19, 4:14 PM
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    OK, thanks for mentioning this. Don't suppose you know of anything I could do to verify that this is the cause before I buy a new clutch?
    Originally posted by GaseousAgley
    If it's just that the spin is inefficient & it goes through the programme correctly then it is the most likely cause. It's just impossible to be sure over the internet. It could be something like a blocked filter but that's not as easy to get at if you're not used to taking them apart.
    Tall, dark & handsome. Well two out of three ain't bad.
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