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    • tibalytipples
    • By tibalytipples 26th Jun 19, 10:46 AM
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    are smart meters a scam
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    • 26th Jun 19, 10:46 AM
    are smart meters a scam 26th Jun 19 at 10:46 AM
    Someone at work said that the reason eon are trying to force everyone onto smart meters is because once you are on a smart meter you can not switch supplier

    Is he right or not?
    Thanks
    TT
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    • bengalknights
    • By bengalknights 26th Jun 19, 10:48 AM
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    • 26th Jun 19, 10:48 AM
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    • 26th Jun 19, 10:48 AM
    False you can switch anytime and with SMETS2 you keep the smart functionality.
  • E.ON Company Representative: Malc
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    • 26th Jun 19, 2:05 PM
    E.ON Smart Meters
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    • 26th Jun 19, 2:05 PM
    Someone at work said that the reason eon are trying to force everyone onto smart meters is because once you are on a smart meter you can not switch supplier

    Is he right or not?
    Thanks
    TT
    Originally posted by tibalytipples
    Hello tibalytipples and welcome to the Forums.

    As bengalknights says, customers with smart meters can switch supplier at any time.

    Previously, their meters would've returned to a traditional type and lost certain smart features like sending us readings automatically. The SMETS2 meters we're now installing retain their smart features after a switch.

    We're also planning to upgrade many of the earlier SMETS1 meters we've already installed so they're managed in the same way as SMETS2. This includes being able to send us readings. These upgrades will be done remotely and we've started a trial run. It also includes smart meters we didn't install and now supply.

    Hope this explains tibalytipples. Let me know if you need any more information as happy to help.

    Malc
    Official Company Representative
    I am an official company representative of E.ON. MSE has given permission for me to post in response to queries about the company, so that I can help solve issues. You can see my name on the companies with permission to post list. I am not allowed to tout for business at all. If you believe I am please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com This does NOT imply any form of approval of my company or its products by MSE"
    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 26th Jun 19, 2:45 PM
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    • #4
    • 26th Jun 19, 2:45 PM
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    • 26th Jun 19, 2:45 PM
    Energy companies are having to foist smart meters on customers who don't want them, otherwise they will be heavily fined and / or prevented from taking on new customers.

    It's all about energy rationing at peak times because there won't be enough generating capacity as older power stations are decommissioned.

    See the other thread for the details.
    Last edited by Gerry1; 26-06-2019 at 2:54 PM.
    • markin
    • By markin 27th Jun 19, 12:30 AM
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    • 27th Jun 19, 12:30 AM
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    • 27th Jun 19, 12:30 AM
    A 14Billion scam yes, just who will pay for upgrading all the 11M SMETS1 meters?????
    • tibalytipples
    • By tibalytipples 1st Jul 19, 8:52 AM
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    • 1st Jul 19, 8:52 AM

    We're also planning to upgrade many of the earlier SMETS1 meters we've already installed so they're managed in the same way as SMETS2. This includes being able to send us readings. These upgrades will be done remotely and we've started a trial run. It also includes smart meters we didn't install and now supply.

    Malc
    Originally posted by E.ON Company Representative: Malc
    Malc
    As you work for Eon, why are you so keep to get your customers to switch to smart meters?
    • molerat
    • By molerat 1st Jul 19, 9:19 AM
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    • 1st Jul 19, 9:19 AM
    Malc
    As you work for Eon, why are you so keep to get your customers to switch to smart meters?
    Originally posted by tibalytipples
    The answer to that question was given in post #4

    Energy companies are having to foist smart meters on customers who don't want them, otherwise they will be heavily fined and / or prevented from taking on new customers.
    Originally posted by Gerry1
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    • Keith.A
    • By Keith.A 1st Jul 19, 10:25 AM
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    • 1st Jul 19, 10:25 AM
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    • 1st Jul 19, 10:25 AM
    I've just switched to EON, no way will I allow a smets1 meter be installed, especially given that i'm being told they can be remotely updated, IF electric company can remotely update, and by inference control then a malign entity can do the same
    • MoneyMate
    • By MoneyMate 1st Jul 19, 10:31 AM
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    • 1st Jul 19, 10:31 AM
    Malc
    As you work for Eon, why are you so keep to get your customers to switch to smart meters?
    Originally posted by tibalytipples
    Sorry tibalytipples , I don't agree with your comment, at some stage in the future we all will have smart meters it may be 12 months or 12 years, I personally have not been forced by E.ON to change.

    I will be changing in about 1 months time will then give feedback then.
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    • PennineAcute
    • By PennineAcute 1st Jul 19, 11:11 AM
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    They are a scam if people want them to be a scam, by passing on false information about them. Now where are the tin foil brigade?
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 1st Jul 19, 11:20 AM
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    I've just switched to EON, no way will I allow a smets1 meter be installed, especially given that i'm being told they can be remotely updated, IF electric company can remotely update, and by inference control then a malign entity can do the same
    Originally posted by Keith.A
    Presumably you're not using mobile phones, tablets, laptops, PCs or smart TVs either?
    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 1st Jul 19, 11:47 AM
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    Evidence, please !
    Sorry tibalytipples , I don't agree with your comment, at some stage in the future we all will have smart meters it may be 12 months or 12 years
    Originally posted by MoneyMate
    It has been confirmed on numerous occasions by various Secretaries of State (e.g. see Hansard from Jan 2012 and Oct 2017) and by Ofgem that no-one will be forced to have a smart meter.

    What evidence to the contrary do you have?
    • leviathan
    • By leviathan 1st Jul 19, 3:28 PM
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    They are a scam if people want them to be a scam, by passing on false information about them. Now where are the tin foil brigade?
    Originally posted by PennineAcute
    No they are a scam because they are being pushed for false reasons.
    The reason is supposedly that you will magically save energy - you need to monitor it and adjust your eneregy use but that isn't clearly stated.

    The real reason they are being pushed out is posted above.
    So that we can ration electric use based on demand vs gereration capacity AND (here is the reality bit you think is tin foil hat) therefore charge different amounts depending on usage at time of day.
    Then when you say "but no one told me" the reply will be that the cost per KWH is displayed on your smart meter, live, 24hrs a day.

    Stage 2 will be charging based on what the power is being used for, or timeshifting that demand to cheaper hours.
    Charging your electric car will likely incurr some form of "high capacity surcharge" or taxation at a different rate because the meter will know it's going into a road going vehicle.


    Yep. Of course all of this is total fabrication and not what will happen. Tin foil hats all around.

    Technology is always dual purpose - the one you see and the one they dont want you to see.
    • leviathan
    • By leviathan 1st Jul 19, 3:31 PM
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    It has been confirmed on numerous occasions by various Secretaries of State (e.g. see Hansard from Jan 2012 and Oct 2017) and by Ofgem that no-one will be forced to have a smart meter.

    What evidence to the contrary do you have?
    Originally posted by Gerry1

    No one wil be foreced to have one in the same way that no one is forced to have an ID card. But good luck trying to do various tasks where you need to identify yourself with photographic ID, either a passport or driving license which are defacto forms of ID.
    Of course if you can exist without then good luck to you.


    Same as not having a smart meter might be an option, it's just that the 30p/KWH rate for non-smart meter use plus 60p/day standing charge for reading services, may make you decide that you can't beat them and will join them.
    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 1st Jul 19, 3:55 PM
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    No one will be forced to have one in the same way that no one is forced to have an ID card. But good luck trying to do various tasks where you need to identify yourself with photographic ID, either a passport or driving licence which are defacto forms of ID.
    Of course if you can exist without then good luck to you.

    Same as not having a smart meter might be an option, it's just that the 30p/KWH rate for non-smart meter use plus 60p/day standing charge for reading services, may make you decide that you can't beat them and will join them.
    Originally posted by leviathan
    I'm sure that's the intention, but with luck the huge pushback against smart meters will make TPTB have second thoughts, especially with the interesting political situation. They can't fool all the people all the time...

    Perhaps the answer is to install oodles of solar panels and just go off-grid !
    Last edited by Gerry1; 01-07-2019 at 3:58 PM.
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 1st Jul 19, 4:43 PM
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    ...

    Stage 2 will be charging based on what the power is being used for, or timeshifting that demand to cheaper hours.
    Charging your electric car will likely incurr some form of "high capacity surcharge" or taxation at a different rate because the meter will know it's going into a road going vehicle.
    Originally posted by leviathan
    How will the meter know the energy is going into an electric car?


    One benefit of time of use tariffs will be for charging a powerwall.
    • Owain Moneysaver
    • By Owain Moneysaver 1st Jul 19, 5:10 PM
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    Presumably you're not using mobile phones, tablets, laptops, PCs or smart TVs either?
    Originally posted by Talldave
    Not to control the electricity supply to my whole house, and that I can't unplug them if they are faulty, no.
    A kind word lasts a minute, a skelped erse is sair for a day.
    • Gerry1
    • By Gerry1 1st Jul 19, 5:48 PM
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    How will the meter know the energy is going into an electric car?
    Originally posted by Talldave
    It'll be smart enough to know that if you're drawing 50kW at 1am, it's not because you have the biggest electric kettle in town...
    • MothballsWallet
    • By MothballsWallet 1st Jul 19, 5:55 PM
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    Smart meters aren't, imo, a scam - but the entire programme in this country is being run like one.

    11bn for a programme where the DCC and Project Nexus being way off schedule (with no penalties it seems) and over budget (I'm getting deja vu from the 2012 Olympics and most other government projects).

    And a "promotional organisation" that started off being called "Smart GB" and has now morphed into the "Campaign for a Smarter Britain"...
    Always ask yourself one question: What would Gibbs do?

    I live in the UK City of Culture 2021
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 1st Jul 19, 11:08 PM
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    It'll be smart enough to know that if you're drawing 50kW at 1am, it's not because you have the biggest electric kettle in town...
    Originally posted by Gerry1
    But a powerwall charge might be similar, so they don't necessarily know it's a car. And if someone wants to disguise a car charge, just charge it slowly off a conventional socket, it'll look like a long shower!

    I find it baffling that anyone considers the energy industry capable of such analysis. They struggle with the logistics of switching a customer from one supplier to another.
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