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    • markudman
    • By markudman 8th Jan 18, 9:44 PM
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    Resident Parking
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    • 8th Jan 18, 9:44 PM
    Resident Parking 8th Jan 18 at 9:44 PM
    Hi I have found the bottle to start a thread, I have read the Newbie’s Thread and followed some of the advice,
    Here is my story, I moved into a new flat with my wife and kids, in Sept 2017, the parking cowboys, PCM mismanage the parking, I am off work sick due to an autoimmune disease which means I have problems with pain all over my body so cannot always help my wife with, Kids Shopping, etc.

    I had 3 cars, (sold one now) but got about 8 tickets, for different reasons, but all the usual reasons, PCM would not issue permits until they got the V5 in my address, this took a few weeks, we asked for temp permit which after a fight with the managing agent got them, also we got scratch cards and displayed them in the cars, but still got tickets,
    there are 3 entrances to the estate, only one (the back one) has signs on them .
    I have talked to the landlord and are not interested in helping, but have not spoke to them yet about quite enjoyment.

    So after reading lots of forums, decided to play a game with them, I appealed knowing that they would get rejected, I then used different letters and appeals to IPS, I am waiting for their rejections.

    The main reason for appeal was signage or lack of it, they say they have 63 signs throughout the estate, (it’s a big estate) which may or maybe not be true, but there are no signs on 2 of the entrances and have photos to prove, a total of about 20 photos showing the entrance and a walk through to the parking etc,
    a few signs can be seen, one which is about 20 foot away from the parking area, over a grassed area which cannot be read from the parking area, and one which is next to one saying resident parking only, so confusing.

    I have checked the size of the signs and they are not bigger that 0.3 sqm so no advertising consent needed, I am checking planning soon.

    I have 2 NTK from them, for the same car, one to the hirer, and one to the keeper? Both say they got the details from DVLA, and my wife is a Mr, but the V5 is Mrs,

    I have asked them for proof that they have a contact with the land owner.

    On their Prima Facie Case they say that they have a contact with Merton Council since 2009, the land was sold to a housing association in 2010? I have checked this with land registry and downloaded the plan.

    The other point which I am hoping will be a winner if all else fails, (I have not gone along this line yet with the appeals) is my tenant’s agreement, it has no referents to parking in it, but says:
    Common Parts,
    Means any part of the building containing the property and any land or premises which the tenant is entitled under the terms of this tenancy to use in common with the landlord and other owners or occupiers of other flats in the building.
    As in:
    In Pace v Mr N [2016] C6GF14F0 [2016] it was found that the parking company could not override the tenant's right to park by requiring a permit to park.

    In Link Parking v Ms P C7GF50J7 [2016] it was also found that the parking company could not override the tenant's right to park by requiring a permit to park.
    Last edited by markudman; 08-01-2018 at 9:50 PM.
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    • markudman
    • By markudman 22nd Jan 18, 8:41 PM
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    Why is it that IPC only have a PO box address?
    on BPA website they have a full address and phone no,
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 22nd Jan 18, 8:44 PM
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    KeithP
    Why is it that IPC only have a PO box address?
    on BPA website they have a full address and phone no,
    Originally posted by markudman
    You'll need to ask the IPC that.

    Perhaps they don't want irate people throwing bricks through their windows.
    Last edited by KeithP; 22-01-2018 at 9:02 PM.
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    • markudman
    • By markudman 22nd Jan 18, 8:53 PM
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    mmm funny that
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • markudman
    • By markudman 22nd Jan 18, 9:31 PM
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    I got to know Chris Grayling quite well during Brexit,
    I have spoke to him about the great GLADSTONES / IPC / IAS SCAM, he is going to look in to it. I also told him about the Parking (Code of Practice) Bill 2017-19. lets see what happens
    Originally posted by markudman
    I have checked and itís definitely something that DCLG are looking to sort out at the moment. They have responsibility for parking rules Ė and the regulation of operators. They are working on suitable plans.

    Best wishes

    Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP
    MP for Epsom and Ewell
    Secretary of State for Transport
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • Kirchenmaus
    • By Kirchenmaus 23rd Jan 18, 12:22 AM
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    You'll need to ask the IPC that.

    Perhaps they don't want irate people throwing bricks through their windows.
    Originally posted by KeithP
    Wouldn't they be (physically) based at The Terrace, High Legh Park Golf Club, Warrington Road, High Legh, Knutsford, Cheshire, WA16 6AA?

    --Kirchenmaus
    • markudman
    • By markudman 23rd Jan 18, 9:41 AM
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    I am not sure how to put this letter together, without looking like an idiot, can ypu please read it and advise,
    Many thanks
    Mark

    To whom it may concern,
    My Appeal Ref:
    Issued on by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd
    to vehicle registration
    Originally rejected by operator on 2018
    The adjudicator made their decision on 2018
    I would like to verify that the adjudicator is in fact a registered barrister or solicitor with the SRA.
    Under ADR directive - SCHEDULE 3 Regulation 9(4)
    Please can you supply the details of this person.

    Requirements that a competent authority must be satisfied that the body meets ...

    Transparency

    5. The body makes the following information publicly available on its website in a clear and easily understandable manner, and provides, on request, this information to any person on a durable mediumó
    (a) its contact details, including postal address and e-mail address;
    (b) a statement that it has been approved as an ADR entity by the relevant competent authority once this approval has been granted;
    (c) its ADR officials, the method of their appointment and the duration of their appointment;

    Please see this link for further details of the ADR Directive
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/542/pdfs/uksi_20150542_en.pdf
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 23rd Jan 18, 10:56 AM
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    The Deep
    You can also complain ton Trading Standards.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 23rd Jan 18, 1:29 PM
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    Fruitcake
    I am not sure how to put this letter together, without looking like an idiot, can ypu please read it and advise,
    Many thanks
    Mark

    To whom it may concern,
    My Appeal Ref:
    Issued on by Parking Control Management (UK) Ltd
    to vehicle registration
    Originally rejected by operator on 2018
    The adjudicator made their decision on 2018
    I would like to verify that the adjudicator is in fact a registered barrister or solicitor with the SRA.
    Under ADR directive - SCHEDULE 3 Regulation 9(4)
    Please can you you supply the details of this person.

    Requirements that a competent authority must be satisfied that the body meets ...

    Transparency

    5. The body makes the following information publicly available on its website in a clear and easily understandable manner, and provides, on request, this information to any person on a durable medium—
    (a) its contact details, including postal address and e-mail address;
    (b) a statement that it has been approved as an ADR entity by the relevant competent authority once this approval has been granted;
    (c) its ADR officials, the method of their appointment and the duration of their appointment;

    Please see this link for further details of the ADR Directive
    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2015/542/pdfs/uksi_20150542_en.pdf
    Originally posted by markudman
    I would leave that out. I think the POFA says the adjudicators have to be legally trained. It's the IAS that says that they are barrisatas or soliciting.

    I think it's more important to ask the question and see what they say. I'm not sure who you can complain to if they refuse to tell you.

    If they do answer, then you can check the name against the SRA to see if the IAS have lied.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
    • markudman
    • By markudman 23rd Jan 18, 8:33 PM
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    Copy of PCM Sign
    Can anybody spot any problems with it?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/js866e67u2m2ion/PCM%20Sign.png?dl=0
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • markudman
    • By markudman 24th Jan 18, 12:15 PM
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    Got this today, Really Really Scared now LOL

    We have received notification from the IAS - The Independent Appeals Service that after adjudication of your
    case they have decided to reject your appeal. You will have also received notification rejecting your appeal
    along with the adjudicators' comments.
    Please note that your appeal has now been rejected by Parking Control Management and The Independent
    Appeals Service and there is now no further opportunity for you to appeal the above PCN.
    As previously advised the full parking charge of £100.00 will apply in the event your appeal is rejected by the
    IAS.
    This reminder is to inform you that from the date you received your decision, you had fourteen days to make
    payment of the full outstanding balance.
    Amount Paid to Date: £0.00
    Amount Outstanding: £100.00
    If payment is not made to us within the time frame, the case will be passed to a Debt Collection Agency who
    may add any reasonable administration costs and may commence enforcement proceedings via the County
    Court.
    We would ask you to consider the implication if this case was heard in a County Court and a County Court
    Judgment (CCJ) is successfully obtained against the driver. Additional Court Fees and Solicitors Costs could be
    incurred and added to the outstanding debt. If no payment is received is received we may refer your case to
    our instructed debt Recovery Company and/or Solicitors, at which point the charge will increase to £160.00.
    In order to avoid the above course of action you must make payment in full to the address shown overleaf. If
    you wish to pay by Credit or Debit Card you can call our payment line on 0845 867 9445. Further information
    and payment methods can be found on the reverse of this letter.
    Yours sincerely,
    PCM Appeals Team
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 24th Jan 18, 1:03 PM
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    The Deep
    You are scared by that, a begging letter from a denture deficient debt collector, better avoid watching Telly Tubbies.

    Do get a grip, this is a scam, in most residential parking cases which get to court the PPCs crash and burn.r
    Last edited by The Deep; 24-01-2018 at 1:06 PM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • markudman
    • By markudman 24th Jan 18, 1:48 PM
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    This is my reply

    Thank you for your Final Reminder Dated 22/01/18


    Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs, which would be a thinly-veiled attempt at 'double recovery'. I will not respond to debt collectors and to involve a third party would be a failure to mitigate your costs as well as deliberate and knowing misuse of my data.
    As this will add to my distress,

    Should you obtain the registered keeper's data from the DVLA without reasonable cause (e.g. if you do not fully comply with the IPC Code of Practice in terms of signage at this site, as seems likely based on my research) please take this as formal notice that I reserve the right to sue your company and the landowner/principal, for a sum not less than £250 for any Data Protection Act breach. Your aggressive business practice and unwarranted threat of court for the ordinary matter of a driver using my car without causing any neither obstruction nor offence, has caused significant distress to me. I do not give you consent to process data relating to me or this vehicle.

    As already communicated to you, I suffer from Mental illness, which you are adding to my stress and anxiety, If you going along the court route, Please can you do this ASAP, to stop any undue Stress.

    I give you 28 day from the 24th January 2018, To

    Cancel pursuing me for whatever reason you think you have to harass me

    To ether send me a VAT invoice explaining what you say I own you and why

    Start Court action

    If I do not receive one of the above in written commutation, then I will take it you have no more to say.
    Last edited by markudman; 24-01-2018 at 6:41 PM.
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • markudman
    • By markudman 24th Jan 18, 1:49 PM
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    You are scared by that, a begging letter from a denture deficient debt collector, better avoid watching Telly Tubbies.

    Do get a grip, this is a scam, in most residential parking cases which get to court the PPCs crash and burn.r
    Originally posted by The Deep
    I was hoping it would be read as a joke LOL
    Telly Tubbies and this lot have more in common than you think
    Last edited by markudman; 24-01-2018 at 1:52 PM.
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 24th Jan 18, 2:16 PM
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    Mark. if that's your real name in your letter
    back to the nutters ...... do delete it

    You are now half way through the Gladstones
    mega scam.

    Do not expect these nutters to take any notice
    of your letter ..... vermin cannot read.

    Next half will consist of baboon style debt
    collector letters which you could sell on to
    Tesco's or the like as Recycled bog paper.

    Then PCM will have a word in Gladstones
    shell like ear and ... hey presto the great
    Gladstones scam is complete

    That's when the professionals/solicitors on here
    will help you to get Gladstones zapped in
    court yet again
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 24th Jan 18, 2:22 PM
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    I have checked and it’s definitely something that DCLG are looking to sort out at the moment. They have responsibility for parking rules – and the regulation of operators. They are working on suitable plans.

    Best wishes

    Rt Hon Chris Grayling MP
    MP for Epsom and Ewell
    Secretary of State for Transport
    Originally posted by markudman
    Chris Grayling does not have a clue ?? SO SAD

    It's over a year now that Marcus Jones MP of
    the DCLG promised he would be doing
    something. Marcus Jones turned out to be a
    complete timewaster and remains so

    This is a government fob off and frankly
    Chris Grayling should know better as he
    has put his credibility on the line
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 24th Jan 18, 2:33 PM
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    In the greater scheme of things this is very small beer Beamish.


    The NHS is underfunded, the police are underfunded, ambulance queuing to unload the halt and the lame, Local Authorities are underfunded, Wales is underfunded, the armed forces are underfunded, The Red Army is knocking at the door, Brussels is being beasty, a nlooney socialist and his commie mate are likely to hold the reins of government in the foreseeable future. cr Immigration at Calais needs to be beefed up, the seas are full of Tesco shopping bags, old people are demanding knee and hip operations, train fares are amongst the highest in the world, roads are overcrowded, the country is Friar Tucked, what do a few parking tickets matter?
    Last edited by The Deep; 24-01-2018 at 2:45 PM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 24th Jan 18, 3:50 PM
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    beamerguy
    In the greater scheme of things this is very small beer Beamish.


    The NHS is underfunded, the police are underfunded, ambulance queuing to unload the halt and the lame, Local Authorities are underfunded, Wales is underfunded, the armed forces are underfunded, The Red Army is knocking at the door, Brussels is being beasty, a nlooney socialist and his commie mate are likely to hold the reins of government in the foreseeable future. cr Immigration at Calais needs to be beefed up, the seas are full of Tesco shopping bags, old people are demanding knee and hip operations, train fares are amongst the highest in the world, roads are overcrowded, the country is Friar Tucked, what do a few parking tickets matter?
    Originally posted by The Deep
    I know Deep old chap, I know. That all costs money
    whereas a new bill outlawing scammers will
    cost so little.

    You forgot all about huff and puff Boris building
    a bridge over the channel ?
    OH YES ... screwing up the M4 for years ?
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • markudman
    • By markudman 24th Jan 18, 7:41 PM
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    Ok I have a plan,
    when I get the debt collector letters, I send them to PCM without a stamp, so it costs them
    We may not win by protesting, but if we donít protest we will lose.
    If we stand up to them, there is always a chance we will win.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 24th Jan 18, 7:46 PM
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    KeithP
    Ok I have a plan,
    when I get the debt collector letters, I send them to PCM without a stamp, so it costs them
    Originally posted by markudman
    How will it cost them?
    They will refuse delivery.
    .
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 24th Jan 18, 8:01 PM
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    beamerguy
    Ok I have a plan,
    when I get the debt collector letters, I send them to PCM without a stamp, so it costs them
    Originally posted by markudman
    Na, placate yourself with the fact that the idiot
    debt collectors are wasting their time and money
    sending you a scam through your letterbox.

    Just treat them as complete idiots, after all they
    really are low pond life
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
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