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BW Legal for VCS county court claim

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  • Djdamo
    Djdamo Posts: 53 Forumite
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    Just staring to put the defence together, how's this so far? Any help appreciated.




    In the County Court Business Centre
    Claim Number: xxxx
    BETWEEN:
    Vehicle Control Services Ltd (Claimant)
    vs
    DJDAMO (Defendant)

    __________________________________________________ _________________________
    Statement of Defence
    I am DJDAMO of Address, Postcode defendant in this matter.
    It is admitted that the defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle noted at the date of alleged breaches. However, the claimant has no cause of action against the defendant on the following grounds: -




    1. Notwithstanding that the claimant claims no right to pursue the defendant as the registered keeper under The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA 2012); the Claimant has failed to meet the conditions of the Act and has never acquired any right to pursue the Defendant in this capacity if they cannot identify the driver.



    2. It is denied that the Claimant served the required documents with statutory wording as prescribed under the POFA and as such, there can be no keeper liability in any event.


    3. The Claimant alleges that parking charges notices were given for !!!8220;breaching the car park terms and conditions!!!8221; but no terms are given nor is any valid breach established.


    4. The place of the alleged breach is given as !!!8220;restricted area in a car privately owned car park at Sa1!!!8221; which contains many registered parcels of land as well as registered leaseholds on parts of these parcels of land, therefore strict proof is required as to the exact site of the breach.


    5. Vehicle Control Services Ltd are not the lawful occupier of any land around the SA1 development. Absent a contract with the lawful occupier of the land being produced by the claimant, or a chain of contracts showing authorisation stemming from the lawful occupier, I have reasonable belief that they do not have authority to issue charges on this land in their own name and that they have no right to bring action regarding this claim.


    6. The Defendant was parked on Langdon road which is under Swansea City Control according to the Swansea SA1 Waterfront Traffic Regulation Order Scheme which came into effect on Friday 19th May 2014.


    7. No attempt was made by the claimant to provide suitable information or evidence of this breach despite the Defendant!!!8217;s direct request on appeal dated 17/06/2016 and acknowledged by the claimant on 20/09/2016


    8. PoFA 2012 only allows the recovery of the parking charge stated on the Notice to Keeper and not court fees, damages, indemnity costs or legal representative!!!8217;s costs.


    9. No contract, terms and conditions or sum payable were never accepted by any driver.


    10. The claimant!!!8217;s notices attempt to make a forbidding offer, which isn!!!8217;t an offer at all, therefore no contract exists.


    11. The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed, the particulars of the claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a).


    12. The claimant failed to include a copy of their written contract as per Practice Direction 16 7.3(1) and Practice Direction 7C 1.4(3A). No indication is given as to the Claimants contractual authority to operate there as required by the Claimants Trade Association's Code of Practice A7.1 which says that if you do not own the land on which you are carrying out parking management, you must have the written authorisation of the landowner (or their appointed agent). The written confirmation must be given before you can start operating on the land in question and give you the authority to carry out all the aspects of car park management for the site that you are responsible for. In particular, it must say that the landowner (or their appointed agent) requires you to keep to the Code of Practice and that you have the authority to pursue outstanding parking charges.


    13. The Defendant believes that his personal details have been obtained unlawfully by the Claimant and asks that the Court does not to assist the Claimant to benefit from a wrongdoing. (Ex turpi causa non oritur actio).
    The facts stated in this defence are true, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
    Signed,
    DJDAMO
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    I would use their normal contact page for the SAR. Is one absolutely needed?

    6) contrains your strongest point, yet its buried behind less relevant ones

    The vehicle WAS NOT PARKED where they claim according to your OP, so why isnt that fact front and centre? They allege it was parked at X, but it was at Y. FUrther more, Y isnt relevant land - its under stat reg - meaning your first point about POFA ist relevant; not ony dont they use the right wording, theyc annot claim Keeper liability anyway as this isnt relevant land (where the car was actually parked) . So the claimant is not only NOT the landholder, tehy cannot havea contract for the location the vehicle was parked as this is under council control and isnt private land.
  • Djdamo
    Djdamo Posts: 53 Forumite
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    I suppose a SAR isn't really needed, I was looking to highlight they wouldn't have any photographic evidence of the car being parked in their car park as claimed.



    I'll remove point 1 regarding POFA and place point 6 as the first point as below.

    1. The Defendant was parked on Langdon directly opposite the entrance to the car park at SA1. Langdon road is under Swansea City Control according to the Swansea SA1 Waterfront Traffic Regulation Order Scheme which came into effect on Friday 19th May 2014. This land isn't relevant and therefore keeper liability cannot be claimed. The claimant is not the landowner nor have a contract for the location the vehicle was parked.


    Are the other points still relevant?
  • Lamilad
    Lamilad Posts: 1,412 Forumite
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    [strike]I am DJDAMO of Address, Postcode defendant in this matter.[/strike]

    The fact that they have ticketed you on public land needs to be main focus of your defence. This needs to be stated in the first paragraphs and linked to your point about no cause of action. The claimant has no basis or authority to issue a claim against the defendant, therefore no cause of action. Go on to say that where the vehicle was parked is council controlled land and evidence of this will be provided in due course.

    You DO need to send the SAR. You need to see what evidence they have of where the car was parked. If their own evidence proves it was council land then you have them over a barrel.

    Could someone else - a passenger, perhaps, provide a second witness statement to state where the car was parked?
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,669 Forumite
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    Djdamo wrote: »
    Would the email address vcs@bwlegal.co.uk be correct to send the SAR to?
    If you do a SAR, you don't send it to the solicitors, you send it to the company direct.

    LoadsofChildren123 has posted to say before, that she is from Swansea and knows the car parks.
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  • Djdamo
    Djdamo Posts: 53 Forumite
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    I can obtain a witness statement from the person the driver was meeting on the day, the car was parked in its location outside the carpark for roughly 5 minutes whilst the driver picking an item up from a friend.

    Ive now sent the SAR to both the info and litigation addresses for VCS.

    Ive had a redraft, is this any better?
    It is admitted that the defendant was the registered keeper of the vehicle noted at the date of alleged breaches. However, the claimant has no cause of action against the defendant on the following grounds: -

    1. The claimant has no basis or authority to issue a claim against the defendant, therefore no cause of action. The Defendant's vehicle was parked on Langdon Road directly opposite the entrance to the car park at SA1. Langdon road is under Swansea City Control according to the Swansea SA1 Waterfront Traffic Regulation Order Scheme which came into effect on Friday 19th May 2014. This land isn't relevant and therefore keeper liability cannot be claimed. The claimant is not the landowner nor have a contract for the location the vehicle was parked.

    2. It is denied that the Claimant served the required documents with statutory wording as prescribed under the POFA and as such, there can be no keeper liability in any event.

    3. The Claimant alleges that parking charges notices were given for !!!8220;breaching the car park terms and conditions!!!8221; but no terms are given nor is any valid breach established.

    4. The place of the alleged breach is given as !!!8220;restricted area in a car privately owned car park at Sa1!!!8221; which contains many registered parcels of land as well as registered leaseholds on parts of these parcels of land, therefore strict proof is required as to the exact site of the breach.

    5. Vehicle Control Services Ltd are not the lawful occupier of any land around the SA1 development. Absent a contract with the lawful occupier of the land being produced by the claimant, or a chain of contracts showing authorisation stemming from the lawful occupier, I have reasonable belief that they do not have authority to issue charges on this land in their own name and that they have no right to bring action regarding this claim.

    6. No attempt was made by the claimant to provide suitable information or evidence of this breach despite the Defendant!!!8217;s direct request on appeal dated 17/06/2016 and acknowledged by the claimant on 20/09/2016

    7. PoFA 2012 only allows the recovery of the parking charge stated on the Notice to Keeper and not court fees, damages, indemnity costs or legal representative!!!8217;s costs.

    8. No contract, terms and conditions or sum payable were never accepted by any driver.

    9. The claimant!!!8217;s notices attempt to make a forbidding offer, which isn!!!8217;t an offer at all, therefore no contract exists.

    10. The particulars of claim do not meet the requirements of Practice Direction 16 7.5 as there is nothing which specifies how the terms were breached. Indeed, the particulars of the claim are not clear and concise as is required by CPR 16.4 1(a).

    11. The claimant failed to include a copy of their written contract as per Practice Direction 16 7.3(1) and Practice Direction 7C 1.4(3A). No indication is given as to the Claimants contractual authority to operate there as required by the Claimants Trade Association's Code of Practice A7.1 which says that if you do not own the land on which you are carrying out parking management, you must have the written authorisation of the landowner (or their appointed agent). The written confirmation must be given before you can start operating on the land in question and give you the authority to carry out all the aspects of car park management for the site that you are responsible for. In particular, it must say that the landowner (or their appointed agent) requires you to keep to the Code of Practice and that you have the authority to pursue outstanding parking charges.

    12. The Defendant believes that his personal details have been obtained unlawfully by the Claimant and asks that the Court does not to assist the Claimant to benefit from a wrongdoing. (Ex turpi causa non oritur actio).
    The facts stated in this defence are true, to the best of my knowledge and belief.
    Signed,
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    How about:

    1. The Defendants vehicle was never parked at the location claimed by the Claimant, and therefore the Claimant has no cause of action. Furthermore, where the Defendants vehicle was parked is public land, over whcich the Claimant is unable to demonstrate any standing as the land is controlled by a public order. Evidence of this will be provided at hearing.

    The Defendant's vehicle was parked on Langdon Road directly opposite the entrance to the car park at SA1 where the claimant claims the vheicle was parked. Langdon road is under Swansea City Control according to the Swansea SA1 Waterfront Traffic Regulation Order Scheme which came into effect on Friday 19th May 2014.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,669 Forumite
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    This land isn't relevant and therefore keeper liability cannot be claimed.
    should be (always staying formal and avoiding slang like ''isn't''):
    This land is not ''relevant land'' as defined in Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and therefore 'keeper liability' cannot be claimed.
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  • System
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    I've also been given evidence that the road the car was parked on is adopted highway and therefore under the control of the local council.

    Have you been in touch with SCC Highways about this. They have a duty to investigate and stop this so their opinion will be persuasive if you can get it rather than relying on a TRO.

    AFAIR VCS (not Excel) had put up a number of their signs on this road a few years back which then disappeared so SCC will be able to advise about this too. If VCS knew about the TRO (if it is still live) then so did Excel.
  • Djdamo
    Djdamo Posts: 53 Forumite
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    I!!!8217;m getting confused with what I think is conflicting information at the moment.

    According to highway management the road is privately owned by the Welsh Government and not yet adopted highway. I!!!8217;ve not contacted them yet to see what provisions they have in place for managing Langdon road, will do that today. However the person I!!!8217;ve been dealing with at highway management confirmed that presently the civil enforcement officers patrol Langdon road. I!!!8217;m just waiting to hear back if that was also the case in 2016.

    I remember the signs being there a long time ago then sudenly disappearing. I!!!8217;ve also not noticed their wardens walking the road any more.
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