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    • Former MSE Rebecca
    • By Former MSE Rebecca 11th Nov 14, 11:48 AM
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    It's aitch not haitch
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    • 11th Nov 14, 11:48 AM
    It's aitch not haitch 11th Nov 14 at 11:48 AM
    Does it drive you up the wall when people 'literally' die laughing? Or how about those who give 110%?



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    Last edited by Former MSE Andrea; 06-10-2017 at 1:02 PM.
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    • Morbier
    • By Morbier 15th Oct 19, 5:26 PM
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    And if you buy shoes at a shoe shop and clothes in a clothes shop, what would you expect to find in a farm shop?
    I can't imagine a life without cheese. (Nigel Slater)
    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 15th Oct 19, 5:28 PM
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    And if you buy shoes at a shoe shop and clothes in a clothes shop, what would you expect to find in a farm shop?
    Originally posted by Morbier
    Farms perhaps?
    Weekly Distance Walked 33 km / Total For Year 1395 km

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    • Morbier
    • By Morbier 15th Oct 19, 5:35 PM
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    Farms perhaps?
    Originally posted by Sleazy
    Oh damn, you guessed
    I can't imagine a life without cheese. (Nigel Slater)
    • z1a
    • By z1a 15th Oct 19, 6:14 PM
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    I suppose you expect a car park to have only room for one car, a pig farm to have a single animal, and a shoe shop just to sell the one shoe?
    Originally posted by FormulaDriven
    Or one hair cut!
    • purpoise
    • By purpoise 18th Oct 19, 6:21 PM
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    What happened to the word "need?"
    It used to mean something essential, like breathing, eating, drinking, or something that one was wanting: "You need feet to walk with", "you need a rubber for that mistake."
    Now we're hyping the Yanks and using it instead of "should, ought to, etc."
    The mother of the biker who was killed by a US diplomat's wife today said that the driver needs to come back to the UK and face charges.
    I think that's the last thing she needs, that's why she's staying in the USA.
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 19th Oct 19, 9:55 AM
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    I'd say that 'need' has always had the secondary meaning of to be obliged to do something.
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    (Pity they are mangled by this autocorrect!)
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 21st Oct 19, 9:53 AM
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    Should there be a second clause in that use of need - you need to do X to ensure Y or avoid X - even though you don't actually need X in and of itself?
    "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 21st Oct 19, 10:50 AM
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    Should there be a second clause in that use of need - you need to do X to ensure Y or avoid X - even though you don't actually need X in and of itself?
    Originally posted by NBLondon


    Not sure about that.

    While I was typing my post above, I was thinking that I needed a wee. I suppose the following clause would be 'before I have an accident.' .
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    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 22nd Oct 19, 9:42 AM
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    I was thinking that I needed a wee.
    Originally posted by pollypenny
    I'd say that one is "need" as in an essential biological function rather than an obligation. OK, there's a social obligation to not wet yourself in public. (if you are over three or so)

    It does get used in the sense of obligation or of recommendation - "Nah - what you need to do there is..." when there isn't actual necessity. Again I think there's an unspoken second clause of "because that's the best way"
    Last edited by NBLondon; 22-10-2019 at 9:42 AM. Reason: Fix Quotes
    "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
    • Sapphire
    • By Sapphire 30th Oct 19, 12:24 PM
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    Naughtius Maximus, I'm with you on that one. However, what about the date at the bottom - shouldn't there be a 'th' after the 6. Bit too 'American' for me without it.

    But I may be wrong; I'm never sure of the correct way to write a date, despite being told during shorthand lessons many, many years ago.
    Originally posted by Morbier
    No – in all (English) books I work on now, the style is 6 May, not 6th May, though the latter is not incorrect, of course. The Americans reverse the day and month, as someone has already pointed out.

    When it comes to times, most publishers use 6 a.m. not 6 am or 6am.

    We (the Oxford English Dictionary, for example) also now use 'z' spellings, as in 'recognize' rather than 'recognise'.

    Cafe is spelt without an accent, and 'et al' is no longer italicised, etc.

    We now use single quotation marks rather than double, except within quotations that are in single quotation marks, in which case they are double.

    In many cases, an 'old-fashioned' or 'newer' version of a spelling or punctuation can be used, and neither is actually incorrect, though in a publication the use of one or the other must be consistent.

    Also, Americans 'look out the window', while Brits 'look out of the window' (come across that a lot). Then they use 'gray' rather than 'grey', and miss out the 'u' in many words, e.g. 'color' rather than 'colour', and have different word endings when it comes to 're' words (the metric measurement 'metre' is their 'meter', 'fibre' is 'fiber', and so on).

    Things like 'he was sat on a bench' I think are British inventions.

    The inappropriate use of the word 'so' at the beginning of a statement, currently even favoured by broadcasters who have a supposedly good education , may be the same.

    Apologies if some of this has already been covered in earlier posts, but don't have time to read through them all.
    Last edited by Sapphire; 30-10-2019 at 12:58 PM.
    • Sleazy
    • By Sleazy 18th Nov 19, 6:47 PM
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    I saw this on a youtube advert today

    "Entries and exists ..."
    Weekly Distance Walked 33 km / Total For Year 1395 km

    Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.

    Winston Churchill
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 18th Nov 19, 7:25 PM
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    Yes - I hate it when commercial interests mess around with the language through hubris or ignorance.

    When did Cadbury's start saying "a glass and a half in everyone", rather than the correct "... in every one"? Or is it because there is no longer a glass and a half in every bar (probably not the small ones)?

    Yes - it seems that's the explanation (banned under EU rules).
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    • aussiecanuck
    • By aussiecanuck 25th Nov 19, 10:55 PM
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    My pet peeve is boarder. As in the 'boarder between two countries'. Often used by americans
    • Solarjunkie
    • By Solarjunkie 28th Nov 19, 10:30 AM
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    "loose" as in "choose" instead of "lose".
    "formally" instead of "formerly", in print which has presumably passed various checks.

    My OH frequently reminds me that English is a living language and has absorbed and altered words from many places, but I am so glad to have found this thread, now I don't feel so alone!
    Deal with things as they are, not as they should be.
    • NBLondon
    • By NBLondon 29th Nov 19, 9:16 AM
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    "formally" instead of "formerly", in print which has presumably passed various checks.
    Originally posted by Solarjunkie
    I suspect that software checks are often used in place of human proofreaders. I have recently seen "bi-product" instead of "by-product" in a commercially produced novel.
    "I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered."
    • Izadora
    • By Izadora 5th Dec 19, 10:15 AM
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    I'm looking to buy a dishwasher so was reading Argos' guide. This is what they have to say about integrated ones:

    They're harder to install compared to freestanding dishwashers, so bare this in mind if you'll want to reposition or move it from house to house.
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