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Martyn1981 · 5 October 2019 at 12:19PM

Cheers Joe.

Totally agree about Tesla v's the old guard, but I can hardly blame them trying to cling on to a product/lifestyle that has made them a lot of money.

Be it BEV's TAAS, leccy buses, government schemes, or whatever, the next decade is going to be a total bloodbath for the old guard.

mmmmikey · 5 October 2019 at 2:00PM

A little bit of an aside, but now is an excellent time to by and ICE car if you're in the market for one - the dealers are almost giving them away. I looked at a nearly new Astra Estate that was well priced, but before I bought it made a cheeky offer to another dealer - if you can match the price for a new version of the same car I'll buy it. And after a bit of toing and froing they did, represnting a discount of about 25% and I got a decent PX value for the old car as well. Wish it had been a BEV but not really an option for me yet because of towing limits.

JKenH · 5 October 2019 at 2:36PM

mmmmikey wrote: »

A little bit of an aside, but now is an excellent time to by and ICE car if you're in the market for one - the dealers are almost giving them away. I looked at a nearly new Astra Estate that was well priced, but before I bought it made a cheeky offer to another dealer - if you can match the price for a new version of the same car I'll buy it. And after a bit of toing and froing they did, represnting a discount of about 25% and I got a decent PX value for the old car as well. Wish it had been a BEV but not really an option for me yet because of towing limits.

I think that is the case for a lot of people (including me). We want to buy an EV but for different reasons there isn’t one yet that ticks every box. The range of cars available is just too limited - where are all the estates, 4x4s, open top sports cars, city cars, small family cars? There might be the odd manufacturer building them but there is a lack of choice. The electric car has become a sector of its own, as even Tesla are finding, losing sales of the S and X to the 3 - cars that would traditionally be seen as in different sectors.

GreatApe · 5 October 2019 at 4:35PM

JKenH wrote: »

I think that is the case for a lot of people (including me). We want to buy an EV but for different reasons there isn’t one yet that ticks every box. The range of cars available is just too limited - where are all the estates, 4x4s, open top sports cars, city cars, small family cars? There might be the odd manufacturer building them but there is a lack of choice. The electric car has become a sector of its own, as even Tesla are finding, losing sales of the S and X to the 3 - cars that would traditionally be seen as in different sectors.

Give it time, BEVs are still small scale
I can see BEVs replacing diesels soon enough but not petrol for a while yet

I guess currently it makes sense to choose a tech depending on mileage
Petrol sub 8,000 miles
Diesel 12,000 miles
Electric 15,000 miles
With some overlap

Petrol being the cheapest to purchase but more expensive per mile
Diesel more expensive but per mile cheaper
Electric most expensive but per mile cheaper still

I don't know if it's true or just internet 'fact' but lots of people seem to be saying new diesels won't last very long as the regs are too strict the manufacturers have not been able to build build long lasting engines. Could be nonsense but even the rumour puts me off diesels. Old diesels were pretty good I had a diesel car that hit 250,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever

mmmmikey · 5 October 2019 at 6:00PM

GreatApe wrote: »

Give it time, BEVs are still small scale
I can see BEVs replacing diesels soon enough but not petrol for a while yet

I guess currently it makes sense to choose a tech depending on mileage
Petrol sub 8,000 miles
Diesel 12,000 miles
Electric 15,000 miles
With some overlap

Petrol being the cheapest to purchase but more expensive per mile
Diesel more expensive but per mile cheaper
Electric most expensive but per mile cheaper still

I don't know if it's true or just internet 'fact' but lots of people seem to be saying new diesels won't last very long as the regs are too strict the manufacturers have not been able to build build long lasting engines. Could be nonsense but even the rumour puts me off diesels. Old diesels were pretty good I had a diesel car that hit 250,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever

I agree with everything you say here - it's exactly that logic that has lead me to buy a petrol engined car for the first time in years (decades?) instead of a diesel. I'm hoping that in 3 to 5 years time when I start to think about changing again a BEV will be a viable option for a low mileage user with a caravan. I'm certainly hopeful, but who knows....

Solarchaser · 5 October 2019 at 7:05PM

I think tbh unless you are buying a tesla, then the categories are wrong.
Up to 8k miles
Bev or petrol
8-12k miles
Petrol or deisel
12k+ miles
Diesel

Why? Mileage anxiety for Electric cars.

My company deisel car will do 800 miles on a tank, there is no electric car can compete.
And the charging network isn't there yet.

As regards the co2 for running old ice cars, does it take into account the oil changes, engine parts like starter motors, alternators water pumps etc that have to be replaced on an aging ice car, that are not present on a new ev.
What about suspension components, and brake parts, metal plates to replace the rusted ones, yes they need to be replaced, though less often on an EV, but they dont need replaced on a new car.

Before the ev I have now, I had a 10 year old ice car, which I had to rebuild the engine on as it jumped the timing belt, do the new valves, gaskets, timing belt, tooling etc get counted in the co2?
I also had to replace two suspension arms, a couple of drop links and a couple of shockers, is this counted in the old ice car co2?

It's one of those things, that you could really go down a rabbit hole with.

Finally I dont have an oil tank, so your quote that has me is wrong ape, it should be Joe, not me.

Hexane · 5 October 2019 at 8:58PM

GreatApe wrote: »

I don't know if it's true or just internet 'fact' but lots of people seem to be saying new diesels won't last very long as the regs are too strict the manufacturers have not been able to build build long lasting engines. Could be nonsense but even the rumour puts me off diesels. Old diesels were pretty good I had a diesel car that hit 250,000 miles with no engine problems whatsoever

I too have regarded post-dieselgate diesels as a suspicious compromise... the idea of carrying round an entire additional tankful of additive, seems like a descent into madness. Of course, we now know, and most of us accept, that pre-dieselgate diesels driving round without such tacked-on modifications, were actually causing horrendous localised air quality pollution that will have contributed to deaths.

ABrass · 6 October 2019 at 1:44AM

The more miles you do the better electric cars work out. The question is how predictable your milage will be. If you've got a 100 mile daily round trip commute then a Hyundai ioniq or Nissan leaf will be plenty and you'd save a fortune in fuel costs. Further is possible if you've got a charger at the middle.

The inverse is also true. If you do piddling miles then a petrol car is going to be much cheaper and probably greener.

EricMears · 6 October 2019 at 7:35AM

Hexane wrote: »

... the idea of carrying round an entire additional tankful of additive, seems like a descent into madness.

That makes it sound as though the 'tank' was similar in size to the fuel tank ! It's actually only a litre or two.

JKenH · 6 October 2019 at 8:04AM

An article in the Telegraph predicts the end of the road for cheap car loans. The Guardian were predicting the crisis 2 years ago. I always paid cash for my cars until I bought my Golf in May 2018 when the PCP deal was just too good not to take. I wasn’t asked for any proof of income. Another misspelling scandal looms but the impact on the motor industry will be huge if PCP and PCH is killed off.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/10/05/end-road-cheap-car-loans-crisis-looms/

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