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    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 9:38 AM
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    Settle an agrument!
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:38 AM
    Settle an agrument! 12th Jul 18 at 9:38 AM
    Hi guys,

    So I have a job paying 50k where my employer pays all my travel to London.

    My friend has just got a new job paying slightly more and they have to pay their own travel.

    We playfully started the 'who earns more' game as I said when you take my travel into account (around 10k grossed up) I earn more, but they completely disagree on the basis of its the amount you take home in your pay packet that matters not the 'soft benefits' as they call them.

    Anyway, it got my thinking, who's right? I count my package as being worth 60k as if I went for another job where travel wasn't included that's the minimum I'd need to earn to break even, but am I wrong to think of it like that and is it just the amount that's put into your bank every month that counts?
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    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 12th Jul 18, 9:44 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 9:44 AM
    Your friend earns more.

    Lets say you decided to commute by bicycle, would your take home wage increase?

    Same with your friend, he earns a bit more but walks or cycles to work so not much in the way of commuting costs. He earns more right?
    Don't be angry!
    • Les79
    • By Les79 12th Jul 18, 10:21 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:21 AM
    You are quite vague in parts. No mention of:

    - HOW MUCH your friend earns
    - Where you live
    - Where friend lives
    - Transport methods used

    So an accurate comparison cannot be made.

    PS, be careful as some employers don't like their employees telling the world how much they earn. You obviously seem to be quite open when discussing your wage (if you "playfully" debate it with a friend) but on a bad day they could pull you up on that...
    • Paul_DNAP
    • By Paul_DNAP 12th Jul 18, 10:51 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:51 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 10:51 AM
    I assume you're declaring the paid travel to your place of work as a benefit in kind, and so in that case you're right that it should be included in your top line total salary package. (i.e. your employer paying all your travel to work is not a soft benefit, that's a ruddy good salary boost).
    If it's not travel to a regular place of work and if it is travel expenses, then no it's not included (but your friend is being badly done by having to pay his own business travel expenses).
    (Although I could be wrong, I often am.)
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 12th Jul 18, 11:18 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:18 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:18 AM
    I would say we don't have enough information to determine who earns more. Salary is only a part of your earnings. You need to include the value of all other benefits such as pension contribution, car, medical insurance etc. etc.
    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:41 AM
    PS, be careful as some employers don't like their employees telling the world how much they earn. You obviously seem to be quite open when discussing your wage (if you "playfully" debate it with a friend) but on a bad day they could pull you up on that...
    Originally posted by Les79
    The friend and I don't work together. This was being discussed outside of work.
    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:42 AM
    I assume you're declaring the paid travel to your place of work as a benefit in kind, and so in that case you're right that it should be included in your top line total salary package. (i.e. your employer paying all your travel to work is not a soft benefit, that's a ruddy good salary boost).
    If it's not travel to a regular place of work and if it is travel expenses, then no it's not included (but your friend is being badly done by having to pay his own business travel expenses).
    Originally posted by Paul_DNAP
    We're only talking travel to regular place of work, my employer pays my travel but theirs doesn't, hence why I thought it would be logical to include it in my salary.
    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:44 AM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 11:44 AM
    You are quite vague in parts. No mention of:

    - HOW MUCH your friend earns
    - Where you live
    - Where friend lives
    - Transport methods used
    Originally posted by Les79
    - HOW MUCH your friend earns
    Not my place to put their salary on here, but its around 10% more than me.
    - Where you live
    - Where friend lives
    Both live in the same village and our offices are both in the same part of London
    - Transport methods used
    Train
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
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    • 12th Jul 18, 12:07 PM
    if you want some one to comment it needs all the facts.

    put up your working for things like worth 10k grossed up
    • Brynsam
    • By Brynsam 12th Jul 18, 12:44 PM
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    The employer paying your everyday travel costs is a perk (albeit a taxable one), so needs to be factored in with other benefits to get your overall package.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 12th Jul 18, 12:48 PM
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    We're only talking travel to regular place of work, my employer pays my travel but theirs doesn't, hence why I thought it would be logical to include it in my salary.
    Originally posted by Timberflake1983
    I'd say looking at it as a package (and assuming everything else to be equal) - you earn more.

    You get 50K, but get travel costs worth 10K

    Your friend earns 55K, but (presumably) has 10K travel costs.

    So after travel costs are removed, you've 50K and your friend has 45K.

    Hes very foolish if hes looking at only salary when he looks at a job. Its about the overall package (but i suspect he knows that and is just trying to big himself up a bit)
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 12th Jul 18, 1:00 PM
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    I'd say looking at it as a package (and assuming everything else to be equal) - you earn more.

    You get 50K, but get travel costs worth 10K

    Your friend earns 55K, but (presumably) has 10K travel costs.

    So after travel costs are removed, you've 50K and your friend has 45K.

    Hes very foolish if hes looking at only salary when he looks at a job. Its about the overall package (but i suspect he knows that and is just trying to big himself up a bit)
    Originally posted by motorguy
    Why would the travel costs be 10K if the grossed up value is 10k.

    Then there is the BIK factor
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 12th Jul 18, 1:04 PM
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    Why would the travel costs be 10K if the grossed up value is 10k.

    Then there is the BIK factor
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    He said he travels by train, so presumably the train ticket will cost them both the same?
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 12th Jul 18, 1:22 PM
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    Your friend earns more. You have a good benefit.

    If you were to move I would look at your salary as it is and look at an increase. I would also then look at the company benefits package, but separately.
    Forty and fabulous, well that's what my cards say....
    • pinkshoes
    • By pinkshoes 12th Jul 18, 2:22 PM
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    Do people really have the "my salary is bigger than your salary" conversations???

    Isn't that a bit like the "my willy is bigger than your willy" conversations?
    Should've = Should HAVE (not 'of')
    Would've = Would HAVE (not 'of')

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    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 3:06 PM
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    Do people really have the "my salary is bigger than your salary" conversations???

    Isn't that a bit like the "my willy is bigger than your willy" conversations?
    Originally posted by pinkshoes
    I really hope SHE doesn't have a willy!
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 12th Jul 18, 3:22 PM
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    I!!!8217;d say it comes down to your take home pay.

    Your travel costs are technically never seen.

    Therefore they take home more than you in actual pay but have more direct costs in terms of travel.
    • Timberflake1983
    • By Timberflake1983 12th Jul 18, 4:17 PM
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    I!!!8217;d say it comes down to your take home pay.

    Your travel costs are technically never seen.

    Therefore they take home more than you in actual pay but have more direct costs in terms of travel.
    Originally posted by MarkN88
    I see the logic, but if their pension contributions were higher than mine I could still take home more than them? That's why I worked it out based on the total package and not just what goes into my bank every month.
    • MarkN88
    • By MarkN88 12th Jul 18, 4:49 PM
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    How does the travel bit work for you?

    Do they give you this extra 10k monthly evenly distributed with your monthly salary?

    Do they refund your tickets?

    Or another way?

    I would basically be saying, compare your wage slip, after ALL deductions who gets the most!
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 12th Jul 18, 5:24 PM
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    Do people really have the "my salary is bigger than your salary" conversations???

    Isn't that a bit like the "my willy is bigger than your willy" conversations?
    Originally posted by pinkshoes
    Not at all. If I discover my willy is undersized, I can't apply for a new one.
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