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    • rosie51
    • By rosie51 19th May 19, 9:45 PM
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    Pip assessor job advertised and 32.000 SALARY
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    • 19th May 19, 9:45 PM
    Pip assessor job advertised and 32.000 SALARY 19th May 19 at 9:45 PM
    Having a nose on job web site the other day i saw a job for pip assessor and boy did i see red. The basic salary is 32.000 per year and a monthly bonus of up to 500
    Now i know why my lower rate of mobility has been taken off me, as of April just gone. It's so the assrssor gets their well deserved bonus , because of the lies they tell at the reassessments.
    I have requested a M R which i sent in last week so i do hope they enjoy reading notes i sent, all in the poorest hand written english i could manage and 10 pages long. Will not get meany where but least i told them the truth yet again.
    Last edited by rosie51; 26-05-2019 at 7:38 PM. Reason: to delete
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    • venison
    • By venison 19th May 19, 10:15 PM
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    • 19th May 19, 10:15 PM
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    We read complaints all the time about the poor standard of assessments, we rarely read about good ones, my point being you pay peanuts you get monkeys and in the great scheme of things 32k a year isn't a fantastic salary, I suppose if it so annoyed you then you could apply? Just a thought.
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    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 19th May 19, 10:24 PM
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    I have requested a M R which i sent in last week so i do hope they enjoy reading notes i sent, all in the poorest hand written english i could manage and 10 pages long. Will not get meany where but least i told them the truth yet again.
    Originally posted by rosie51
    It's not the assessors that read the MR letters, it's the decision makers.



    10 pages is rather long, i must admit. Straight to the point and precise, stating where you think you should have scored those points and your reasons why is better.


    Most MR decisions are copy and paste of the original decision so you'll most likely have to take it to Tribunal.



    DWP or the Tribunal won't be interested in any lies that may have been told in the report.
    • tighteningthebelt
    • By tighteningthebelt 20th May 19, 8:27 AM
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    • 20th May 19, 8:27 AM
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    • 20th May 19, 8:27 AM
    What do you feel would be a fair wage for a fully trained and experienced health professional, working alone, and outside the full NHS remuneration package, in a job where everybody despises you?
    Just to clarify this isn't a job you can get straight out of uni (i.e. it is not comparable to a nurses staring salary on a band 5)
    Be great to hear what you think would be fair.
    Maybe you would advocate for untrained non-professional staff assessing your health and abilities? Maybe someone on minimum wage? Who was working delivering leaflets or at the petrol station last week?
    I'm sorry you're having a bad time with your assessment, and I really hope it goes well for you.
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    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 20th May 19, 5:44 PM
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    • 20th May 19, 5:44 PM
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    • 20th May 19, 5:44 PM
    ... I have requested a M R which i sent in last week so i do hope they enjoy reading notes i sent, all in the poorest hand written english i could manage and 10 pages long. Will not get meany where but least i told them the truth yet again.
    Originally posted by rosie51
    Please be sensible about this.

    The purpose of the MR and the appeal process is to get an incorrect DWP decision overturned. It's not to vent your anger against the assessor.

    As poppy said most MR's are not successful (particularly so if illegible), and to continue you will need to take your appeal to the Tribunal Service (TS). You MR will appear in the evidence bundle and will form part of the evidence the TS will consider. A rambling 'green ink' diatribe will not help you win at appeal.

    If you want to succeed at appeal, don't rise the to the DWP's bait.
    Many assessments and decision makers rationalisations are risible -
    (https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilydugan/most-dwp-benefits-cases-which-reach-court-are-based-on-bad)
    - so make your appeal papers professional, concise, directly relating to the descriptors, and compelling.

    If you are not capable of this, then see if your local advice centre / CAB charity can help you.

    Try to rise above your anger, and don't play games with the DWP / appeal process. There will only be one loser (and it won't be the DWP).

    If you are going to take it seriously, here are some resources meriting careful reading:
    https://www.advicenow.org.uk/guides/how-win-pip-appeal
    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/personal-independence-payment-pip/pip-points-system
    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/sick-or-disabled-people-and-carers/pip/appeals/apply-to-tribunal/
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/725533/pip-assessment-guide-part-2-assessment-criteria.pdf
    https://www.rethink.org/living-with-mental-illness/money-issues-benefits-employment/personal-independence-payment
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    • Bananas123
    • By Bananas123 21st May 19, 4:29 AM
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    scapegoats are expensive...
    • Pensioned Off
    • By Pensioned Off 24th May 19, 2:45 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 2:45 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 2:45 PM
    Goodness - a 32,000 is not actually that high... after tax and NI deductions it's down to 25,295.84.

    So.....

    When you consider that you can get 23,000 on benefits before the cap kicks in... and that is tax free (and equals about 28,600 as a taxable salary) then you can see that 32,000 after tax and NI contributions is just over 3,500 above that.

    Plus, factor in that PIP and DLA mean the cap doesn't apply then you could have a claimant paid more that the assessor in real terms after factoring in the tax that needs to be deducted.

    Enhanced rates of both elements of PIP gives a claimant an annual total of 7,740. So added together, the salary equivalent would be a fiver short of 40,000.

    So... stop getting all upset with your knee-jerk reactions and start thinking things through.
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    • By Pensioned Off 24th May 19, 2:54 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 2:54 PM
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    • 24th May 19, 2:54 PM
    I have requested a M R which i sent in last week so i do hope they enjoy reading notes i sent, all in the poorest hand written english i could manage and 10 pages long. Will not get meany where but least i told them the truth yet again.
    Originally posted by rosie51
    What the heck do you think this will achieve other than making it more likely you will fail in your request?

    People like you actually make me really angry - you think you deserve everything for minimal effort and seem to despise everyone in 'the system'. Plus, this kind of thing wastes DWP time and holds everyone else up

    Wouldn't it just have been easier and more sensible to sit and type some bullet points and submit those for reconsideration? Instead you deliberately chose to use scrawl... well done you... great self-sabotage.

    I can't wait for your next rant where you have been refused and are moaning about having to go to a tribunal.
    • Talula1993
    • By Talula1993 13th Jun 19, 8:10 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 8:10 PM
    If you knew the role you would question if 32,000 was enough. Also the bonus is an employment ploy they dont exist and if they do they mean over time. The majority of assessors get vile behaviours, attitudes , rarely but sometimes physical abuse, have to work through their lunches and often finish late unpaid because assessment and documentation can last significantly longer than the time they are allocated to write it up. The turn over in staff is very high for these reasons. But yes, An untrained person with no knowledge of health who is willing to accept a very low salary for this job is far more suitable
    • GlasweJen
    • By GlasweJen 13th Jun 19, 9:35 PM
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    If you knew the role you would question if 32,000 was enough. Also the bonus is an employment ploy they dont exist and if they do they mean over time. The majority of assessors get vile behaviours, attitudes , rarely but sometimes physical abuse, have to work through their lunches and often finish late unpaid because assessment and documentation can last significantly longer than the time they are allocated to write it up. The turn over in staff is very high for these reasons. But yes, An untrained person with no knowledge of health who is willing to accept a very low salary for this job is far more suitable
    Originally posted by Talula1993
    That's funny, I know a few people who have taken on this job in the highlands. They're all nurses.

    It's paid higher than the standard NHS band 5, you're not doing heavy work like is expected of you on the wards and the hours are more family friendly.

    If the clients do kick off you get them escorted out the building and you get to twist the knife by having their benefits stopped. You have security to take you out to your car at night, there's no cleaning up pee, poo or blood.

    It's seen as a cushy number for those who are happy to sacrifice their superann for short term gains (higher wages).
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