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    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • Ego_Shredder
    • By Ego_Shredder 29th Apr 19, 3:27 PM
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    Sometimes people ask for advice on being Legally Licence-Free whilst they still have their Sky or VM Pay TV contracts in place (but unused). This is a bad idea.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia

    In mid-2018 I rang up and removed the TV option from my Virgin Media bundle, leaving just the telephone and internet in place. So currently I have no way of viewing any TV, as it is so old it lacks Freeview capability. The VM box is unplugged and unable to be used either. That leaves the internet as the only option to view content, but I have removed all my TV related bookmarks and do not visit the sites at all.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 29th Apr 19, 3:29 PM
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    In mid-2018 I rang up and removed the TV option from my Virgin Media bundle, leaving just the telephone and internet in place. So currently I have no way of viewing any TV, as it is so old it lacks Freeview capability. The VM box is unplugged and unable to be used either. That leaves the internet as the only option to view content, but I have removed all my TV related bookmarks and do not visit the sites at all.
    Originally posted by Ego_Shredder
    Perfect............
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    • Dibdab01
    • By Dibdab01 3rd May 19, 11:04 PM
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    No Licence required.
    I'm currently getting Phonecalls, Emails, voicemail and Texts by them. I recently reported to them my Mother passed away and despite Telling them over the Phone on numerous occasions, aswell as forwarding a copy of Her death certificate to them they still persist.

    I have asked them repeatedly to remove My Mother's details etc, but they still have not done this even though they keep saying they will and have. At the same time I declared that I have moved from the Property and do not require a Licence.

    Yet they still insist on calling me asking me to speak to my Mother?? As if its like some sick Office Game they are playing.

    I have no words that can do justice to adequately describe these people and their Bullying tactics. Trying to make you pay for Services, you don't need, use or want.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 8th May 19, 9:02 PM
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    I'm currently getting Phonecalls, Emails, voicemail and Texts by them. I recently reported to them my Mother passed away and despite Telling them over the Phone on numerous occasions, aswell as forwarding a copy of Her death certificate to them they still persist.

    I have asked them repeatedly to remove My Mother's details etc, but they still have not done this even though they keep saying they will and have. At the same time I declared that I have moved from the Property and do not require a Licence.

    Yet they still insist on calling me asking me to speak to my Mother?? As if its like some sick Office Game they are playing.

    I have no words that can do justice to adequately describe these people and their Bullying tactics. Trying to make you pay for Services, you don't need, use or want.
    Originally posted by Dibdab01
    Sadly, this seems to be a relatively common experience with TV Licensing. Something in their procedures seems to mess things up when dealing with these notifications despite the need to handle them with sensitivity.

    I think part of their problem is that an empty property becomes "eligible" for enforcement action.

    If you have already exhausted your tolerance for them messing you around, I'd suggest escalating it using the details provided in the link below (I'd start with Stage 1b). If that doesn't resolve things, then maybe contact your MP.

    https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/about/making-a-complaint-AB7
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    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 11th May 19, 5:52 PM
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    Received a letter today from TVL explaining that an "IN01H5A3" code has been issued against my property. Whatever that is! It goes on to say that they use it to target unlicensed homes like mine.

    If I want to remove it I have to buy a licence. What complete BS.
    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 12th May 19, 8:28 AM
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    Received a letter today from TVL explaining that an "IN01H5A3" code has been issued against my property. Whatever that is! It goes on to say that they use it to target unlicensed homes like mine.

    If I want to remove it I have to buy a licence. What complete BS.
    Originally posted by LeeUK
    They are hilarious.

    I hope you have informed your property that it now has this code, perhaps bury the letter inside the plasterwork.

    The only hit on google is this very post so don't expect to be raided soon. I think the lovely souls at the TVL work on these codes specially, probably means "I know noone has a licence"
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 12th May 19, 8:33 AM
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    Yes - this appears to be the latest ruse in the grand psychodrama that is TV Licensing.

    As before, they believe that this "code" will somehow persuade people of the reality and effectiveness of TVL when the evidence is that large elements of it are fake, and the rest lacks legal and practical credibility. It does make me wonder whether some of the misadventures of TVL are directly related to the theatricality of the BBC.

    See also... fake names/signatures, "are you in on...", misinformation over legal rights, fake rubber stamp imprints, etc. etc.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 12-05-2019 at 8:49 AM.
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    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 12th May 19, 10:26 AM
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    My home is located in a neighbourhood watch area and is also a designated BSFZ. Any unwanted callers may be subjected to blunt responses and could be offered the option to be severely castigated.
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    • LeeUK
    • By LeeUK 12th May 19, 10:49 AM
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    They are hilarious.

    I hope you have informed your property that it now has this code, perhaps bury the letter inside the plasterwork.

    The only hit on google is this very post so don't expect to be raided soon. I think the lovely souls at the TVL work on these codes specially, probably means "I know noone has a licence"
    Originally posted by robatwork
    First thing I did was google the code but nothing came up. I'm not sure if it's a computer mistake and it's supposed to read something else, or if indeed it is supposed to be that.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 12th May 19, 11:06 AM
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    It's a classic MacGuffin.

    The MacGuffin's importance to the plot is not the object itself, but rather its effect on the characters and their motivations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin
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    • robatwork
    • By robatwork 13th May 19, 9:20 AM
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    Yes - this appears to be the latest ruse in the grand psychodrama that is TV Licensing.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    But we knew in the 70s and 80s their vans had no detection technology. Would love to have been shown around the back of one -"yes here is where we plug our ciggie lighter in, that's the most advanced technology we have"
    • Ego_Shredder
    • By Ego_Shredder 13th May 19, 11:52 AM
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    Just got yet another letter, this time showing a status of a visit being "temporarily on hold". There was an almost sympathetic tone to one paragraph saying, "we know how difficult it is to pay bills at the moment".


    So there is now a futher 10 days grace before an investigation starts, which apparently had already done so I think, although would need to clarify this by reading previous letters. They also supplied a handy portion of a calendar, to help me visualise my impending doom.


    Apparently I am not "correctly licensed" even though they do not know my name, or if I even own or watch a TV or their content.
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    • Ego_Shredder
    • By Ego_Shredder 13th May 19, 11:57 AM
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    But we knew in the 70s and 80s their vans had no detection technology. Would love to have been shown around the back of one -"yes here is where we plug our ciggie lighter in, that's the most advanced technology we have"
    Originally posted by robatwork

    I have one particular friend who back in 1994, told me he had been visited and later fined for watching his colour TV with a B/W license. Not sure on what evidence they caught and fined him on, but I think he paid up. At that time he was not well off and out of work in an unfurnished terrace house, but a couple of years later he was in a highly paid computer job, and these days sits next to the CEO of Kantar and is very well off indeed.
    What goes around - comes around
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    • RandomQ
    • By RandomQ 13th May 19, 12:05 PM
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    When I search for "buy a TV licence", I don't see any references to TVLicencePlus on the first page at all.

    However, when I search for "buy a TV license", they are there as the #2 entry in the ads area at the top.

    Sometimes it pays to get your spelling right.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    If you want to F with these bar stewards simply click on their ads as often as possible so that it costs them money (they pay per click).

    Clear your cookies and change your ad ID to make it not count as one click if you click many times, or use different browsers.

    They will have a daily budget, if enough people click on these ads they will stop showing when the budget is reached.

    The other thing you can do to prevent their ads appearing so prominently is to leave the site it takes you to within 10 seconds, Google tracks the relevance of ads, so if it takes you to a page that is not of interest it punishes the ad.

    You can also do the same search again but click on anything but the ad, e.g. the official TV licencing site.

    If enough people click on the ad the price of the search term will go up in the bidding and over time it will become more expensive, thus causing the fake TVL company money.
    • Ego_Shredder
    • By Ego_Shredder 13th May 19, 12:22 PM
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    BBC interest over time...
    Google Trends has a few interesting graphs....


    iPlayer vs Netflix vs DVD vs Freeview - 2004 to present



    https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=iPlayer,Netflix,DVD,Free view
    Last edited by Ego_Shredder; 13-05-2019 at 12:24 PM.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 13th May 19, 1:05 PM
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    But we knew in the 70s and 80s their vans had no detection technology. Would love to have been shown around the back of one -"yes here is where we plug our ciggie lighter in, that's the most advanced technology we have"
    Originally posted by robatwork
    Someone should make a website showing the history of TV Licensing ruses down the ages.

    I suspect the nature of the ruses could tell us a lot about the culture of the time when it was being used. So the detector vans have a somewhat "cold war" aspect to them, whereas the modern letters have a definite whiff of "big data".
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 14-05-2019 at 7:01 AM.
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    • Dibdab01
    • By Dibdab01 14th May 19, 12:49 AM
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    Thanks for the info.
    I appreciate the info you gave me and my Tolerance for these people is now 0.

    They have repeatedly mislead and miss informed me over the phone and in Emails, stating that they have updated the information. But clearly have not done so. Latest Email said that I must ring them again to cancel Her licence which I've done previously and sent Cert they required to them. Receiving auto reply and further email with new ref no: etc.

    I even asked them over the phone if they required written confirmation from God??
    which unfortunately I am unable to obtain.

    So I give up with them as there are far more important things in life to worry about.
    • RandomQ
    • By RandomQ 14th May 19, 8:59 AM
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    DO NOT ENGAGE - Simple!
    Okay, thanks for that. Very much appreciated. I guess the golden rule is not to bother answering the door if they ever come round, I don't answer my door unless I'm expecting someone so that shouldn't be a problem.

    I've also seen a few videos on YouTube where they try and do someone for obstruction for not cooperating which is quite worrying.
    Originally posted by bytor1971

    The simple answer is DO NOT ENGAGE

    The video you refer to is for someone for whom they had a warrant, what is disturbing is that TVL have obtained warrants by telling lies to a Court. There is a video showing that on YouTube, it turns out they alleged they observed a live tv programme being watched and this was complete BS and proven to be wrong.

    If you DO NOT ENGAGE they have nothing to grip on, they are trained to ask confusing questions, to twist what you do to make it sound against the law.

    So just remember DO NOT ENGAGE, after a short wait they will go away.

    We had a new one in our area (last one gave up years ago), he is ringing all videophones to get into the block so he can harass people on their internal door, we have some vulnerable people in block and have been asked not to let people in unless they are calling for our property. I saw him ring every property in the block trying to persuade them that he had a right to enter. I have thrown him out twice.

    Remember DO NOT ENGAGE!

    Then the following will not be necessary:

    Do not answer door, do not answer questions, do not give details, be careful what you say, do not admit you have a TV, do not argue about live and not live, etc. It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS, if you do not watch LIVE TV or use IPLAYER you do not need to explain yourself.

    Just DO NOT ENGAGE.
    • FreeBear
    • By FreeBear 14th May 19, 9:08 AM
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    It is NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS, if you do not watch LIVE TV or use IPLAYER you do not need to explain yourself.

    Just DO NOT ENGAGE.
    Originally posted by RandomQ

    And if you really want to upset them, do what I did to one little oik.... Ask "You have photo ID ?.... Give". Shut the door on them, and if they are still there five/ten minutes later tell them "I have been unable to confirm your identity and have been instructed to destroy your ID card."
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    • RandomQ
    • By RandomQ 14th May 19, 9:10 AM
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    Latest TVL Letter
    I do not know if this is new but is first time I have seen it

    It uses one of those privacy abusing window envelopes

    In the window it has a Yellow Triangle with exclamation mark and word CAUTION underneath it, a bit like a toxic warning.



    On the envelope it says in RED

    Advance warning of possible interruption

    WTH does that mean?

    Inside it says

    No TV Licence? No watching live TV.


    Expect the interruption of an enforcement visit

    Enforcement of WHAT, who do these scum think they are a High Court Enforcement Officer?

    They have no right to FORCE me to do anything!

    The envelope also seems a gross invasion of privacy.

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