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    littlejaffa
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    wombling in tesco - what's safe
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    • 5th Mar 07, 5:14 PM
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    wombling in tesco - what's safe 5th Mar 07 at 5:14 PM
    I've seen a few posts on here about wombling but now i search for the info nothings coming up.

    A few people were saying they'd had letters from tesco saying stop wombling, can you tell me how much you get away with before this letter arrives?

    I've asked tesco by e-mail & phone for a 2nd card on my account for my OH and it's not arrived so he's keeping receipts for me to credit, i've also (properly) wombled 2 others, my worry is i'll get to an amount and get the nasty womble letter.

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    • MarkyMarkD
    • By MarkyMarkD 9th Mar 07, 8:25 PM
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    MarkyMarkD
    Did you know that there's a certain major supermarket we all love to hate who often have "computers for schools" campaigns where - wait for it - schools who haven't spent any money in this supermarket get to claim lots of computer equipment by "fraudulently" redeeming lots of vouchers which other "criminal elements" have knowingly passed on to them.....
    Originally posted by paws17
    What ARE you wittering about? "Computers for schools" and other promotions are specifically designed for people to collect their vouchers and hand them to their schools.

    What slight relevance is that supposed to have to this debate?

    :confused:
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 9th Mar 07, 9:06 PM
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    Coupon-mad
    What ARE you wittering about? "Computers for schools" and other promotions are specifically designed for people to collect their vouchers and hand them to their schools.

    What slight relevance is that supposed to have to this debate?

    :confused:
    Originally posted by MarkyMarkD


    Were you unaware that these Computer for Schools vouchers (like all Tesco coupons) are sold on eBay to the highest bidder? Not by me, I have a deserving school to send them to...but people don't always just 'hand them to their schools' you know.

    Still can't agree with you that wombling is fraud in the eyes of the law, although it is against cc t&cs obviously. I have never said they are my points, never said 'I forgot my card'...I just used to ask for points to be added sometimes. Just as schools ask for computer equipment with Vouchers that they (i.e. keen parents/teachers) may have bought on eBay.....

    ....btw, no-one ever did reply to the point made earlier about the 'lost fiver' on the floor. Do you really believe it's fraud to spend it?
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    • MarkyMarkD
    • By MarkyMarkD 11th Mar 07, 3:06 PM
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    MarkyMarkD
    I didn't read anything earlier about lost fivers. Of course it's not fraud to spend a lost fiver which you find, but morally you should report its find to the police (if it's outside) or the shop (if you find it in a shop) in case the owner goes back for it. And yes, I've done this before, in case anyone doubts me!

    I wasn't aware that people were sad enough to sell "computers for schools" vouchers on eBay. I wouldn't do that and I don't think it's right either. But it's not illegal to do so as there's nothing to stop any school submitting such vouchers to Tesco however they obtained them.
    • leadhead
    • By leadhead 11th Mar 07, 4:16 PM
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    leadhead
    I have been at a checkout before when the person in front has not had a clubcard and told the cashier to add them to my card. I've thanked them and had teh points added.

    Where's the fraud in that?
    Originally posted by hardy
    Theres no fraud in that, but its against Tesco Policy, only points earned by the card user are supposed to go on to that card.

    A blind eye is possibly turned on odd occassions, but I know of people who have been asked about points added later at CS.

    A lot of us (on the Tesco misprice discussion thread,RIP) belleved that points added at CS brought up a flag on that users account.

    I have had hundreds of points deducted, as have other RandRers, but whether it was actually for "wombled" or Golden RandRs, we never found out.

    Tesco Club Cards are dangerous things if you are doing something which isnt 100%.....................beware.
  • Loop


    I can't believe people are trying to use "scare tactics" to make us believe we will be procecuted IF we get caught wombling recipts!

    What a load of bunkum!

    (thanks for giving me a good laugh anyway!)

    Back off tommorow to find some more wombled points BTW!
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    • WELSH-DRAGON
    • By WELSH-DRAGON 11th Mar 07, 5:38 PM
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    WELSH-DRAGON
    I hate self-scanners with a passion, however, used a few this weekend and I am surprised at the number of receipts left around with points on them but no clubcard being used. At least with these receipts, if you are wombling they are clean and dry

    Welshy x
    I am the only Voucher Queen in my village LOL
    • leadhead
    • By leadhead 11th Mar 07, 6:54 PM
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    leadhead


    I can't believe people are trying to use "scare tactics" to make us believe we will be procecuted IF we get caught wombling recipts!

    What a load of bunkum!

    (thanks for giving me a good laugh anyway!)

    Back off tommorow to find some more wombled points BTW!
    Originally posted by Loop
    I'm hoping this isn't aimed at the information I've given...........

    I doubt whether Tesco could ever prove it to be fraud, as they continue to add points at CS, but its against their policy, and could deduct points from accounts, and even confiscate previous points earned(as happenned to Taxiphil)....He eventually got most of them back, but Tescos(according to their TandC's) have the right to ban people from the CC scheme, and confiscate illegally earned points......and more.
    Last edited by leadhead; 11-03-2007 at 6:58 PM.
    • Charliecat
    • By Charliecat 11th Mar 07, 10:52 PM
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    Charliecat
    If I got a job as a trolley returner, could I keep the wombled reciepts??!!
    Last edited by Charliecat; 11-03-2007 at 10:54 PM.
    • WELSH-DRAGON
    • By WELSH-DRAGON 11th Mar 07, 11:09 PM
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    WELSH-DRAGON
    I was once PM'd on flea-bay by someone purporting to be a Tesco manager he had noticed I was bidding on some tesco vouchers and he said that I should stay well clear as he had caught staff in his store pocketing the tesco clubcard vouchers and selling them on when they did not belong to them.

    Welshy x
    I am the only Voucher Queen in my village LOL
    • rdwarr
    • By rdwarr 11th Mar 07, 11:42 PM
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    rdwarr
    ....btw, no-one ever did reply to the point made earlier about the 'lost fiver' on the floor. Do you really believe it's fraud to spend it?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Go on then. I'll bite
    It's not fraud but theft. It's clearly something that somebody has lost rather than thrown away, unlike an old Tesco receipt. It's clear that some people have more sense of morality than others but being a crook does not necessarily make one a bad person - there may be a reason for it
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    • leadhead
    • By leadhead 12th Mar 07, 9:16 AM
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    leadhead
    Go on then. I'll bite
    It's not fraud but theft. It's clearly something that somebody has lost rather than thrown away, unlike an old Tesco receipt. It's clear that some people have more sense of morality than others but being a crook does not necessarily make one a bad person - there may be a reason for it
    Originally posted by rdwarr
    Hello RD...hows it going, the thing about this fiver thing is, how do you know (ever) that the rightful owner is going to get it.......ok if you see someone drop it, but picking one up in the street or supermarket aisle, how could you ever be sure of finding the owner.....I dont think thats theft, surely not.....and is it worth the hassle of handing it in to the Police.
    • A little stressed!!
    • By A little stressed!! 12th Mar 07, 10:04 AM
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    A little stressed!!
    If I found money on the floor I'd keep it end of! If it was of high value (wad of notes then I would make an effort to get it to its rightful owner! At my work we are outside & have fantastic fun with who can find what money in a day! 2p here, 5p there! Its strong competition picking up pennys, its not about the money though, more the finding!
    One warning - don't smoke weed you have found! We did after work many years ago and it definately had something extra in it!!! There was LOADS of it but we chucked it, thought that was better than dying etc!
  • Loop
    If someone throws a reciept away then its fair game to the finder, im hardly concerned about a letter from Mr T saying Stop it, or even removing my points, after all we know this COULD happen when we start this in the 1st place.
    The chances of it actually happening are so slim its not worth worrying about, best to err on the side of caution like 99% of us who womble do.

    I would like to also point out that my points balance is low compared to most on here, so my account is unlikely to get noticed anyway!
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    • n3phi1im
    • By n3phi1im 12th Mar 07, 2:03 PM
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    n3phi1im
    I came to MSE a it is a community devoted to helping each other to save money. When I find a thread where accusations are made of criminal activity, I am shocked and dismayed at the lack of community spirit. I am no legal expert but there seems to be a lot of bad blood in this thread. Perhaps a look at each point might help.
    • The law that applies to abandoned or lost goods can be found summarised here.
      However, these receipts are neither lost nor abandoned - they are discarded. Collecting these receipts is in no way illegal.
    • Using the receipts to gain extra points. Tescos Clubcard T&C says
      9. To collect points for a transaction in-store, your Clubcard card or Key Fobs must be presented at the checkout. To collect points on purchases made through any catalogue or online, you will be required to quote your Clubcard number.
      It does not say that you can have points added any other way. It follows therefore that points added by CS are added entirely at the discretion of Tesco.
    • Clubcard points are theoretical things with no existence in reality and no intrinsic value (vouchers are however different in that they have a physical reality and a real value). Remember that it is Tesco disrection as to whether they get added or not. Obtaining points in this way may be considered an abuse of the system but can never be 'Fraud'.
    • Womblers are aware that this is an abuse of the system and are aware that they may lose their Clubcard if caught. Saying that it is a criminal offense is just scaremongering. What next, you gonna start calling them Terrorists??
    • Please remember that morals are a personal thing and those who shove theirs into the faces of others are not making any freinds and instead are likely to get laughed at just like the Kansas State Board for Education. (I know its old news but it still makes me laugh )

    Oh yeah, if it were illegal, would MSE allow this discussion???
    • paws17
    • By paws17 12th Mar 07, 2:10 PM
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    paws17
    Wombles shaken - but not stirred!
    What ARE you wittering about? "Computers for schools" and other promotions are specifically designed for people to collect their vouchers and hand them to their schools.

    What slight relevance is that supposed to have to this debate?

    :confused:
    Originally posted by MarkyMarkD
    If you really don't get the point of my "wittering", it's quite clear why you have to resort so quickly & so often to pouring scorn on those who happen to express opinions that don't accord with your own.

    Anyway, for those interested in my argument, Tesco can't have their cake and eat it - If passing the indirect benefits of shopping at Tesco to a 3rd party is OK in one instance (Computers for Schools), they can't suddenly call another similar instance (e.g. Wombling) "fraudulent" or "theft" or any other scary sounding word some of you may like to smear us humble folk with.

    The fact that they attempt to do so in their T&C doesn't make those T&C valid in law - "Unfair terms in consumer contracts" and all that.....

    Their two-facedness in this matter is borne of the same ugly meanmindedness which leads car park authorities to "prohibit" the use of the unused time on purchased car parking tickets by 3rd parties - and we all go along with that don't we......

    Keep on wombling free, everyone!

    P.S. Excellent post, n3phi1im
    • Kal
    • By Kal 12th Mar 07, 2:22 PM
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    Kal
    I was once PM'd on flea-bay by someone purporting to be a Tesco manager he had noticed I was bidding on some tesco vouchers and he said that I should stay well clear as he had caught staff in his store pocketing the tesco clubcard vouchers and selling them on when they did not belong to them.

    Welshy x
    Originally posted by WELSH-DRAGON
    I have noticed that staff rarely put extra points vouchers etc into the till, I wonder is this why?

    And also with regard to wombling, I very often have to get CS to add on points as till spills etc havent worked or I've forgotten to hand the voucher over so surely this would 'flag' my account even though I havent done anything wrong. I do find it a stretch of the imagination to think that they actively employ people to look for these kinds of 'irregularities' on cc accounts but then again, knowing Mr T it wouldn't surprise me!
    • leadhead
    • By leadhead 12th Mar 07, 9:36 PM
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    leadhead

    Keep on wombling free, everyone!

    P.S. Excellent post, n3phi1im
    Originally posted by paws17
    At least until Tesco decide they dont like what you are doing.

    My National Tesco ban is for policy abuse, at the time I was RandRing, and getting Golden RandRs and wombling...........

    I have receipts with 5,000 (recent) unclaimed points if anyone wants to test my theory.................no sorry cant send them.....you may work for Tescos, then I'm up the creek...........
    • n3phi1im
    • By n3phi1im 12th Mar 07, 11:19 PM
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    n3phi1im
    At least until Tesco decide they dont like what you are doing.

    My National Tesco ban is for policy abuse, at the time I was RandRing, and getting Golden RandRs and wombling...........

    I have receipts with 5,000 (recent) unclaimed points if anyone wants to test my theory.................no sorry cant send them.....you may work for Tescos, then I'm up the creek...........
    Originally posted by leadhead
    Have you tried a disguise??

    {Picture of glasses with big nose and tache}

    • blackcateddie
    • By blackcateddie 13th Mar 07, 10:55 AM
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    blackcateddie
    Since the clubcard points are exchanged for vouchers each quarter then womblers are gaining a monetary advantage by pretending the receipts are theirs, the vouchers can be spent in Tesco's or exchanged for other goods so surely it should be classed as 'gaining money by deception' and as such fraud. Funny how it's the same old posters who fully supported R n R excesses isn't it!
    At some point Mr T will crackdown and the true punter won't be able to get OH's points added on because of others abusing the system. But then they won't care but will have moved onto the next 'scam'.
  • Carmina Piranha
    I have noticed that staff rarely put extra points vouchers etc into the till, I wonder is this why?
    Originally posted by Kal
    i haven't noticed. but tesco know which clubcard vouchers you have redeemed. i lost some vouchers during a house move and when i called tesco they knew exactly how much i had lost because they have some way of knowing which vouchers i had redeemed and which ones i hadn't.

    i can't see any benefit to tesco staff if they were to pocket vouchers. if they are already redeemed then they have no value. i suppose you could sell a redeemed voucher and just let the buyer find out it is worthless.

    on the subject of having more than one clubcard account per address - you can't use keyfobs at the petrol stations so a 2 car family would need a big card each, or to keep swapping it between them depending on who was most likely to buy petrol that day.
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