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    • Tallaght
    • By Tallaght 11th Jan 19, 12:42 PM
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    Amazon and eBay evict sellers
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    • 11th Jan 19, 12:42 PM
    Amazon and eBay evict sellers 11th Jan 19 at 12:42 PM
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46838687


    Thousands of overseas sellers have been evicted from online marketplaces in the UK such as Amazon and eBay owing to a tax crackdown.

    Businesses, mostly from China, sold items including British flags, phones and fake eyelashes but evaded VAT.

    HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) sends notices to seven different online sales sites if it discovers businesses failing to pay the correct VAT.

    It said that 4,600 sellers have been "red-flagged" in this way.
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    • Brywalker
    • By Brywalker 11th Jan 19, 2:06 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 2:06 PM
    This can only be good news for legitimate sellers.
    • olgadapolga
    • By olgadapolga 11th Jan 19, 2:39 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 2:39 PM
    Unfortunately it's only 4,600 of them.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 11th Jan 19, 8:02 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 8:02 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 8:02 PM
    4600 accounts? Probably a dozen or so sellers.

    Some have many accounts.
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    • Twopints
    • By Twopints 11th Jan 19, 9:14 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 9:14 PM
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    • 11th Jan 19, 9:14 PM
    Amazon chucking people off for tax avoidance - oh, the irony...

    Not even wrong
    • ballisticbrian
    • By ballisticbrian 12th Jan 19, 10:16 AM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 10:16 AM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 10:16 AM
    I would like to see how they stop them simply creating new accounts, if they haven't already done so. I expect they have contingency plans a long time ago.
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    • martindow
    • By martindow 12th Jan 19, 11:43 AM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 11:43 AM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 11:43 AM
    It is good news that these sellers are being targeted. It is only happening because HMRC are holding selling sites liable for the lost VAT if they don't take down accounts after being warned of tax evasion.


    Hopefully the next step is HMRC to require Ebay and Amazon to report and close down any sellers over the VAT threshold.
    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 12th Jan 19, 12:01 PM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 12:01 PM
    Amazon chucking people off for tax avoidance - oh, the irony...

    Originally posted by Twopints
    Not true.
    They are kicking people off for tax evasion.
    Tax evasion is illegal whereas tax avoidance , which is what Amazon do is legal.

    Being totally honest, wouldn't you pay less income tax, VAT. fuel duty etc if the way you did this was legal?
    I know that I would and so would any sensibly run business and all that Amazon (and other companies) are doing is making use of various legal tax avoidance schemes that are in place. If the government doesn't like these then shut those schemes down.
    • soolin
    • By soolin 12th Jan 19, 12:09 PM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 12:09 PM
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    • 12th Jan 19, 12:09 PM
    Ebay have already started doing something odd, but as it is ebay they appear to be messing it up. According to several posts on other forums that have been discussed now for around 6 months ebay have been putting holds on accounts until VAT numbers are supplied and checked. This sounds brilliant in practice, except that some of the people (possibly even in the majority) are either small traders with turnover of less than 20, 000 or even private sellers with a handful of sales.

    Ebay have been telling those affected that all sellers are required to have a VAT number and only back down and admit to a glitch when questioned very forcefully!

    Even when I used to sell on Amazon I had my account on hold for weeks as I couldn't supply a bank account (the one I had been using for around 17 years!) in my Amazon name, so say for instance I am Soolin Smith (real legal name and on my bank account) but my selling account showed the name 'pink fluffy bunny' they insisted I had to have a bank account in the name 'pink fluffy bunny'. I ended up emailing tax records showing I correctly trade as a sole trader in my legal name of Soolin Smith (as registered with Amazon) and one of the names I use to sell is 'pink fluffy bunny'.
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    • martindow
    • By martindow 13th Jan 19, 12:04 PM
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    What a drama soolin and very annoying for you.



    But it must be good that Ebay are taking more seriously their responsibilities to check sellers and are hopefully tipping off HMRC so that they can check tax is being correctly paid (not just VAT).
    • twhitehousescat
    • By twhitehousescat 13th Jan 19, 3:11 PM
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    many vat numbers quoted by chinese sellers are fake - take one at random and put it into google , a hundred names come up , sometimes even legit UK companies not related to ebay come up as well!

    a member of the public cannot at present check any UK register to check if a vat number is genuine or fake

    we had this problem with a UK private parking co , we knew they were using fake number , a lot of people tried all methods of putting name to number , there is non
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    • shaun from Africa
    • By shaun from Africa 13th Jan 19, 5:38 PM
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    a member of the public cannot at present check any UK register to check if a vat number is genuine or fake
    Originally posted by twhitehousescat
    You can check the VAT number of any EU based company here:
    http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/vies/

    Just type in the VAT number given (without the GB prefix) and you can see if it's genuine.
    • twhitehousescat
    • By twhitehousescat 13th Jan 19, 7:21 PM
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    thank you ,
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