Sign the Petition for Womens state pension age going up unfair

hyubh · 30 December 2015 at 2:53PM

saver861 wrote: »

why should the government backdate the new arrangement. Those who had paid NIC's up to 1995 should have those years honoured for pension at 60, no?

The state pension is a benefit paid by NICs and income tax taken as pension monies are paid out. Benefit arrangements can be changed at any time - there is no property right.

After 1995, they switch to the new spa.

Grossly unfair on younger people having to pay for the lengthly retirements of older people, retirements not envisaged when the state pension was first created or even when it was expanded postwar.

jem16 · 30 December 2015 at 2:54PM

Goldiegirl wrote: »

If the petition had centred on the 2011 changes, I think only a handful of people would have signed it - people like many on this thread ( and others like it) who take a measured and considered view after careful assessment.

Especially when you consider that it was changed back in 2011 to reduce the 2 years extra back down to 18 months and the government then said it would go no further.

Many of the people who have signed the petition in it's current format, have done so because they think there's a chance they'll get 'compo'. If the petition was solely about 2011, there probably wouldn't be a whiff of compensation at all, and most of them wouldn't be interested and wouldn't have bothered to sign the petition

Yes I met one such woman last week who knew about the changes back in 1995 as I remember her being part of the conversation at work. Now she has been told about this petition and thinks it's a great thing as it's not fair that she doesn't get her state pension at age 60.

jem16 · 30 December 2015 at 2:59PM

KimC wrote: »

Well saying those who posted the negative comments are not affected and dont care what the government does. They should have wrote to each individual when the decision was made to put the womens pension age. That would have been actual notice. No notice means it is unfair.

Why should they have written individual letters? Laws change frequently - they reduced the drink driving laws in Scotland last year. Nobody wrote to me personally so if I'm caught can I just claim nobody wrote to me?

I am not affected by the pension age going up as I am no way near 60 but, I do care unlike those who post negative comments. No one stands up against the government and thats why they get away with the crap. People only moan when it affects them and dont care when it doesnt.

I am affected as my retirement age has gone up from 60 to 66. You'll find most of the women posting here are also affected. We're not posting negative comments - we are simply disagreeing with what you and WASPI are saying.

I do care about those who have severe financial difficulties but that is not the case for most 1950s women.

All people who are affected by changes want is notice. Then they can dispute changes. If nothing can be done then they should have enough notice to plan ahead.

We had 20 years notice of the 1995 changes. People need to take some personal responsibility as that is what planning involves.

bmm78 · 30 December 2015 at 3:06PM

KimC wrote: »

Well saying those who posted the negative comments are not affected and dont care what the government does. They should have wrote to each individual when the decision was made to put the womens pension age. That would have been actual notice. No notice means it is unfair.

I am not affected by the pension age going up as I am no way near 60 but, I do care unlike those who post negative comments. No one stands up against the government and thats why they get away with the crap. People only moan when it affects them and dont care when it doesnt.

What WASPI are asking for would probably cost £100bn+. That would impact on all of us. I feel strongly that future generations (men and women) should not have to suffer further delays on their state pension to fund a specific group getting their pension upto a decade earlier.

KimC wrote: »

All people who are affected by changes want is notice. Then they can dispute changes. If nothing can be done then they should have enough notice to plan ahead.

As above, if they were "planning" properly there is no way they would not have been aware that state pension age for women was rising.

Goldiegirl · 30 December 2015 at 3:39PM

KimC wrote: »

Well saying those who posted the negative comments are not affected and dont care what the government does. They should have wrote to each individual when the decision was made to put the womens pension age. That would have been actual notice. No notice means it is unfair.

I am not affected by the pension age going up as I am no way near 60 but, I do care unlike those who post negative comments. No one stands up against the government and thats why they get away with the crap. People only moan when it affects them and dont care when it doesnt.

All people who are affected by changes want is notice. Then they can dispute changes. If nothing can be done then they should have enough notice to plan ahead.

I'm in the group that has been affected by both the changes in 1995 and 2011. But I don't agree with the WASPI campaign in it's current format.

I've had 20 years to plan, that seems to be time enough to my mind, so I'm not moaning

KimC, you are obviously a supporter of WASPI, so I'm re-posting an earlier comment I made in this thread - I'd be really interested in your response - If WASPI got their way a woman born on 31/12/59 would get their pension at 60, yet one born a day later would wait until 66! I'd ask on the WASPI Facebook page, but there's no point as they delete any questions like this

Goldiegirl wrote: »

That's only 1950's women they are campaigning for.

If you are born after 1/1/60, WASPI aren't interested

I still await anybody who supports WASPI to give a satisfactory explanation as to the fairness of someone being born 31/12/59 should get full compensation, and a person born 1/1/60 should get nothing and wait until age 66 until they collect their state pension.

WASPI campaign against 'unfairness', yet if they got their way, they'd just ensure that a different group of people were treated even more unfairly!

So KimC - what do you have to say about my question?

I'm genuinely curious as to whether this scenario has crossed WASPI supporter's minds:)

zagfles · 30 December 2015 at 3:43PM

jem16 wrote: »

Why should they have written individual letters? Laws change frequently - they reduced the drink driving laws in Scotland last year. Nobody wrote to me personally so if I'm caught can I just claim nobody wrote to me?

You won't believe the day I've had. Went to the pub for lunch - but as I was having my after-lunch fag, I was chucked out! Apparently it's illegal to smoke in a pub these days! I don't remember getting a letter telling me!

Then my daughter rang me as I was driving home, asking me to pick her up from her friend's house. No sooner had I hung up, the police pulled me over. Using a mobile when driving is now illegal! No-one told me!

Get to my daughter's mate's house and picked her up, completely frazzled and gasping for a fag. Then on the way home I get pulled over again! What now?? Well, the copper tells me now you can't smoke in a car with a child! WHERE WAS MY LETTER????

How can the govt get away with changing the law and not telling people?? It's a disgrace.

Then I got breathalysed. I passed, thank God. But only because I'm in England where apparently the law hasn't changed. Lucky I wasn't in Scotland.

Still, I'm 50 soon, then I can access my personal pension and retire to the Bahamas. Unless the govt have sneaked in a change to the law saying you can't have your pension at 50....no they couldn't have, I didn't get a letter.

brewerdave · 30 December 2015 at 3:53PM

With all this nonsense going on re notice of changes and potential backdating of payments - no-one has answered the Q -HOW would it be paid for?? A massive hike in NI rates ?? An increase in the basic rate of income tax ?? A BIG increase in public borrowing ?? ALL of those would be massive vote losers so DC ain't doing anything about it regardless of how many greedy 60+ women sign !!!

jem16 · 30 December 2015 at 3:54PM

zagfles wrote: »

Get to my daughter's mate's house and picked her up, completely frazzled and gasping for a fag. Then on the way home I get pulled over again! What now?? Well, the copper tells me now you can't smoke in a car with a child! WHERE WAS MY LETTER????

And I sincerely hope you had your child in a car seat too or did you not get your letter about that either?

JezR · 30 December 2015 at 4:34PM

Not only is there no duty to notify individuals directly, there is even no duty to provide or make available any information materials. The only duty is that when such information is available that it is accurate to the legal position at the time.

It was during preparation of leaflet updates for the women's pension age increase enacted in 1995 that it came to light that the changes in SERPS inheritance had not been properly included years earlier.

atush · 30 December 2015 at 4:42PM

KimC wrote: »

Men have always known the can retire at 65 as women have had no notice of the change of retirement age. Thats why it is unfair as people need notice to plan.

Rubbish. There was 10 years notice of the raise from age 60-65.

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