Deception by "The Drops of Help"
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I just got a charity collection bag through my door. Everything about it looks genuine, collecting to "support the poor families, orphans and asylums" with a picture of an anxious child on the front.
On the back it says:
The Drops of Help Ltd
(Registered in England and Wales No 07121674)
That is clearly meant to make you think it is a registered charity, but I checked and it is not. That is just it's company number.
I think this an outrageous attempt at deception. I feel somebody ought to be regulating this but I'm not sure if anyone is. The Charity Commission would probably not get involved as it is not a charity. Any ideas?
On the back it says:
The Drops of Help Ltd
(Registered in England and Wales No 07121674)
That is clearly meant to make you think it is a registered charity, but I checked and it is not. That is just it's company number.
I think this an outrageous attempt at deception. I feel somebody ought to be regulating this but I'm not sure if anyone is. The Charity Commission would probably not get involved as it is not a charity. Any ideas?
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Weasels. All I can say.0
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Does it mention the word "charity" on there anywhere?If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands
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No, everything is implied. Have a look at their web site and you will see what I mean http://www.tdoh.org.uk/
They never use the word charity but use phrases like "not-for-profit organisation" instead. Meaningless of course as the owner can just pay themselves a big enough salary to make sure it never makes a profit.0 -
Unfortunately, there isn't a lot you can do. They aren't doing anything legally wrong. Morally wrong maybe, but that can be said for a lot of businesses...
And whilst I can see you are upset by what they are doing, claiming they are using deception, in the title of your thread, is very misleading. They clearly state they are a limited company and from their webpage you can also see they are VAT registered...If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands
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Unfortunately, there isn't a lot you can do. They aren't doing anything legally wrong. Morally wrong maybe, but that can be said for a lot of businesses...
And whilst I can see you are upset by what they are doing, claiming they are using deception, in the title of your thread, is very misleading. They clearly state they are a limited company and from their webpage you can also see they are VAT registered...
I think it is deception in that it is implied that they are a charity when they are not.0 -
No, everything is implied. Have a look at their web site and you will see what I mean http://www.tdoh.org.uk/
They never use the word charity but use phrases like "not-for-profit organisation" instead. Meaningless of course as the owner can just pay themselves a big enough salary to make sure it never makes a profit.
As you say, they don't claim to be a charity ... so no wrong doing there
They do claim to be a non-profit making organisation ... and I see no evidence to suggest they are not. You'll need to get copies of their M&A if you wish to satisfy yourself they are. I suspect they are a non-profit making organisation as that is what they claim.
All a non-profit organisation means is that they cannot distribute their surplus (what non profit making organisations call their 'profit') as a dividend to their members - they have to use it as specified in their M&A.
Of course employees can expect to get paid, and they will be subject to PAYE rules as per any other employee.
Have you seen how much some Chief Executives of charities are paid???
http://society.guardian.co.uk/salarysurvey/table/0,12406,1042677,00.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/7229874/Tony-Blairs-faith-charity-pays-six-figure-salaries-to-top-officials.html
I'm sorry, I don't see any evidence of wrong doing so far, but if you get any, please feel free to post "Now to trolling as a concept. .... Personally, I've always found it a little sad that people choose to spend such a large proportion of their lives in this way but they do, and we have to deal with it." - MSE Forum Manager 6th July 20100 -
I think it is deception in that it is implied that they are a charity when they are not.
Where is it implied though? I mean really?
Simple answer is they don't.
The even go as far as putting LTD after their company name, which IMPLIES they are a business.
If people can't tell the difference between this company and a charity, that's down to them inferring incorrectly...If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands
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Where is it implied though? I mean really?
Simple answer is they don't.
The even go as far as putting LTD after their company name, which IMPLIES they are a business.
If people can't tell the difference between this company and a charity, that's down to them inferring incorrectly...
We will agree to differ then.0 -
We will agree to differ then.
Well, if you can show me where they impy they are a charity, then maybe I'd agree with you...If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands
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