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CEL parking defence help!?

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I've finally got the dreaded county court letter. I over stayed a car park by 3 hours because a fellow employee said she send my registration to the parking officer so I could stay there because I was working in the area but next week I got a letter fine. ANYWAYS! I've sent a defence letter... could someone tell me if I've sent a decent defence please??? I'll post it below...
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  • 777ade777
    777ade777 Posts: 70 Forumite
    edited 14 October 2017 at 10:45PM
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    I, DEFENDANT, deny I am liable to the Claimant for the entirety of the claim for each of the
    following reasons:
    1. The Claim Form issued on the 21/02/2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited was not correctly
    filed under The Practice Direction as it was not signed by a legal person but signed by “Civil
    Enforcement Limited”.
    2. This Claimant has not complied with pre-court protocol. And as an example as to why this
    prevents a full defence being filed at this time, a parking charge can be for trespass, breach
    of contract or a contractual charge. All these are treated differently in law and require a
    different defence. The wording of any contract will naturally be a key element in this matter,
    and a copy of the alleged contract has never been provided to the Defendant.
    (a) There was no compliant ‘Letter before County Court Claim’, under the Practice Direction.
    (b) This is a speculative serial litigant, issuing a large number of identical 'draft particulars'.
    The badly mail-merged documents contain very little information.
    (c) The Schedule of information is sparse of detailed information.
    (d) The Claim form Particulars were extremely sparse and divulged no cause of action nor
    sufficient detail, and were posted to a non-existent address. The Defendant has no idea
    what the claim is about - why the charge arose, what the alleged contract was, nor who they
    are claiming against; nothing that could be considered a fair exchange of information. The
    Claim form Particulars did not contain any evidence of contravention or photographs.
    e) The Defence therefore asks the Court to strike out the claim as having no reasonable
    prospect of success as currently drafted.
    f) Alternatively, the Defendant asks that the Claimant is required to file Particulars which
    comply with Practice Directions and include at least the following information;
    i. Whether the matter is being brought for trespass, breach of contract or a contractual
    charge, and an explanation as to the exact nature of the charge
    ii. A copy of any contract it is alleged was in place (e.g. copies of signage)
    iii. How any contract was concluded (if by performance, then copies of signage maps in
    place at the time)
  • Lamilad
    Lamilad Posts: 1,412 Forumite
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    I've sent a defence letter... could someone tell me if I've sent a decent defence please??? I'll post it below...
    Why seek advice after you've submitted the defence? Nothing you or we can do about it now. Let's hope it's a good one as you're stuck with it now.
  • KeithP
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    Hi welcome to the forums.

    You would be wise to edit your post to remove your name.

    It can never be a good idea to have your name on view on a public forum for the whole world to see.
  • 777ade777
    777ade777 Posts: 70 Forumite
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    iv. Whether keeper liability is being claimed, and if so copies of any Notice to Driver / Notice
    to Keeper
    v. Whether the Claimant is acting as Agent or Principal, together with a list of documents
    they will rely on in this matter
    vi. If charges over and above the initial charge are being claimed, the basis on which this is
    being claimed
    vii. If Interest charges are being claimed, the basis on which this is being claimed
    g) Once these Particulars have been filed, the Defendant asks for reasonable time to file
    another defence.
    3. The Claimant failed to meet the Notice to Keeper obligations of Schedule 4 of the
    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Absent such a notice served within 14 days of the parking
    event and with fully compliant statutory wording, this Claimant is unable to hold me liable
    under the strict ‘keeper liability’ provisions.
    Schedule 4 also states that the only sum a keeper can be pursued for (if Schedule 4 is fully
    complied with, which it was not, and if there was a 'relevant obligation' and relevant contract'
    fairly and adequately communicated, which there was not) is the sum on the Notice to
    Keeper. They cannot pluck another sum from thin air and bolt that on as well when neither
    the signs, nor the NTK, nor the permit information mentioned a possible £247.95 for
    outstanding debt and damages.
    4. The Claimant has added unrecoverable sums to the original parking charge. It is believed
    that the employee who drew up the paperwork is remunerated and the particulars of claim
    are templates, so it is simply not credible that £50 'legal representative’s (or even admin)
    costs' were incurred
    5. This case can be distinguished from ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 (the Beavis
    case) which was dependent upon an undenied contract, formed by unusually prominent
    signage forming a clear offer and which turned on unique facts regarding the location and
    the interests of the landowner. Strict compliance with the BPA Code of Practice (CoP) was
    paramount and Mr Beavis was the driver who saw the signs and entered into a contract to
    pay £85 after exceeding a licence to park free. None of this applies in this material case.
    5.i. This case can further be distinguished from the Beavis case as the rationale behind
    upholding the decision in Beavis was to encourage turnover of customers for the shop,
    whereas in this instance the contravention was 8:57pm after the shop has closed.
    5.ii. This case can be distinguished further from Beavis as another rationale in that
    judgement stated it was fair to uphold the judgement on the basis that if one was parking on
    a council street at the same time then they could reasonably expect to pay a Penalty Charge
    Notice. As the contravention happed at 8:57pm, it was not during the hours whereby a
    council would issue a PCN.
    6. In the absence of any proof of adequate signage that contractually bound the Defendant
    then there can have been no contract and the Claimant has no case.
    a) The Claimant is put to strict proof that at the time of the alleged event they had both
    advertisement consent and the permission from the site owner to display the signs.
    b) In the absence of strict proof I submit that the Claimant was committing an offence by
    displaying their signs and therefore no contract could have been entered into between the
    driver and the Claimant.
    c) Inadequate signs incapable of binding the driver - this distinguishes this case from the
    Beavis case:
    (i) Sporadic and illegible (charge not prominent nor large lettering) of site/entrance signage -
    breach of the POFA 2012 Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice and no contract formed
    to pay any clearly stated sum.
    (ii) Non existent ANPR 'data use' signage - breach of ICO rules and the BPA Code of
    Practice.
    (iii) It is believed the signage was not lit and any terms were not transparent or legible; this is
    an unfair contract, not agreed by the driver and contrary to the Consumer Rights Act 2015 in
    requiring a huge inflated sum as 'compensation' from by an authorised party using the
    premises as intended.
    (iv) No promise was made by the driver that could constitute consideration because there
    was no offer known nor accepted. No consideration flowed from the Claimant.
    (v) The signs are believed to have no mention of any debt collection additional charge, which
    cannot form part of any alleged contract.
    d) BPA CoP breaches - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    (i) the signs were not compliant in terms of the font size, lighting or positioning.
    (ii) the sum pursued exceeds £100.
    (iii) there is / was no compliant landowner contract.
    7. No standing - this distinguishes this case from the Beavis case:
    It is believed Civil Enforcement do not hold a legitimate contract at this car park. As an
    agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name which should be in
    the name of the landowner.
    8. The Beavis case confirmed the fact that, if it is a matter of trespass (not breach of any
    contract), a parking firm has no standing as a non-landowner to pursue even nominal
    damages.
    9. The charge is an unenforceable penalty based upon a lack of commercial justification.
    The Beavis case confirmed that the penalty rule is certainly engaged in any case of a private
    parking charge and was only disengaged due to the unique circumstances of that case, which do not resemble this claim.
    The Defendant denies any liability whatsoever to the Claimant in any matter and asks the
    Court to note that the Claimant has:
    (a) failed to disclose any cause of action in the incorrectly filed Claim Form issued on
    21/02/2017
    (b) Sent a template, well-known to be generic cut and paste 'Particulars' of claim relying on
    irrelevant case law (Beavis) which ignores the fact that this Claimant cannot hold registered
    keepers liable in law, due to their own choice of non-POFA documentation.
    The vague Particulars of Claim disclose no clear cause of action. The court is invited to
    strike out the claim of its own volition as having no merit and no reasonable prospects of
    success.
    I confirm that the above facts and statements are true to the best of my knowledge and
    recollection.
    Signed DEFENDANT
    Date 14/10/2017

    Comments please:)?
  • Lamilad
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    I'm editing this comment as you've posted additional detail.
  • 777ade777
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    I panicked when I saw the letter
  • Lamilad
    Lamilad Posts: 1,412 Forumite
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    edit your posts as advised above
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,644 Forumite
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    777ade777 wrote: »
    I panicked when I saw the letter
    But you said:
    1. The Claim Form issued on the 21/02/2017 by Civil Enforcement Limited...

    That was eight months ago.
  • 777ade777
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    I'm trying it's not working
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,644 Forumite
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    777ade777 wrote: »
    I'm trying it's not working
    I'll assume you meant to say "I'm trying to edit my posts but the mobile app will not allow it".

    Put your phone down, use a real computer and go to forums via a web browser.
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