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  • The_Deep
    The_Deep Posts: 16,830 Forumite
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,628 Forumite
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    Kaiser77 wrote: »
    The letters do contain the POPLA verification reference numbers. Any advice on my next step would be appreciated.
    Surely you understand that your next step is to create a PoPLA appeal for each incident?

    That was hinted in post #6.
  • Kaiser77
    Kaiser77 Posts: 11 Forumite
    Thanks to The Deep & KeithP for your responses.

    Yes I do understand that my next step would be to draught 3 POPLA appeal letters, I did say I would update this thread when I had the response from APCOA. I think it would be good to keep the thread updated until resolution of the situation to maybe help others in future in the same situation.

    I will now look for a POPLA appeal template to edit as needed and send, (any suggestions would be welcomed). I will as mentioned use Protection of Freedoms Act and railway bylaws under "relevant land".

    Thanks again.
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    you wont be "sending" anything at all

    you WILL be uploading 3 popla appeals on the popla website choosing OTHER and uploading appeal 1 as a pdf , then rinse and repeat with appeal 2 and appeal 3 , so 3 times in total

    find recent RAILWAY STATION popla appeals over the last 18 months max , copy and paste into word and edit accordingly

    APCOA will then throw in the towel when they see the 3 robust appeals

    post #3 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread is where you srat looking , plus the POPLA DECISIONS thread and work backwards from the last page, looking for any RAILWAY STATION appeals that were successful

    research is the key

    ps:- you should have expected the 3 rejections and 3 popla codes and so should have already done this next stage, because the appeals were always going to be rejected, no question about it

    nobody is disputing that the vehicle was there, but attributing who is to blame and actually punishing them for it is a different story, so the KEEPER cannot be liable , and the KEEPER wont be blabbing about who actually IS liable either !

    be PRO-ACTIVE, not REACTIVE
  • Kaiser77
    Kaiser77 Posts: 11 Forumite
    Many thanks for the advice! I have been working away for the last week so only just got back to this.

    The most recent successful appeal for a station I found was by dr_genestealer on 3/01/18, post 15 is the revised appeal that was sent. I am unable to post the link as I am a new user.

    It was an appeal against APCOA so I think this may be the correct one to use, I will just remove the line "The alleged breach of the company's terms and condition is FGW04 - Not in a parking area." as our PCN's were for failure to purchase and display a valid parking ticket and personalise the location and date.

    I will do 3 of these each with the POPLA code received for each appeal refusal and upload to the POPLA site.

    Your thoughts would be appreciated just before I send them. I will post what I will send in its entirety if needed before I send.

    Many thanks again to all who have helped me get this far and hopefully to a successful outcome.
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    I would suggest that you post the draft popla appeal below for people to check over - just leave out the personal details and references and VRM etc for now , put them in once approved on your own saved draft and then convert to a pdf , or 3 pdf,s , one for each popla appeal , even if its the same appeal with just different popla codes and pcn references etc , perhaps labelled as popla1 , popla2 and popla3 in your saved documents
  • Kaiser77
    Kaiser77 Posts: 11 Forumite
    Thanks Redx, Here it is. I will do 3, each with their own POPLA code and save as PDF's and upload separately. I was thinking of uploading them on 3 different days too so they are not received at the same time.

    As the registered keeper, this is my appeal about a Parking Charge Notice issued by APCOA for an alleged breach of the company's terms and condition in the Manchester Victoria railway station car park on the XXth XXX 20XX.
    For the avoidance of doubt, the driver!!!8217;s identity has not been provided and this appeal remains purely from the registered keeper.

    Summary of appeal:
    1. A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.
    2. Railway Land Is Not !!!8216;Relevant Land!!!8217;.
    3. APCOA Using Railway Bye law for claims.
    4. Appellant not being the individual liable.
    5. Non-compliant signage.
    6. Lack of standing / authority from landowner.
    7. Bays are poorly marked or ambiguously marked.
    8. Vehicle was parked correctly.

    1) A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.
    APCOA Parking (UK) Ltd has not fulfilled the 'second condition' for keeper liability as defined in Schedule 4 and as a result, they have no lawful authority to pursue any parking charge from myself, as a registered keeper appellant. There is no discretion on this matter. If Schedule 4 mandatory documents are not served at all, or in time (or if the document omits any prescribed wording) then keeper liability simply does not apply.

    The wording in the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA) 2012 is as follows:
    ''Right to claim unpaid parking charges from keeper of vehicle:
    4(1) The creditor has the right to recover any unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle. (2) The right under this paragraph applies only if
    (a) the conditions specified in paragraphs 5, 6*, 11 and 12 (so far as applicable) are met;
    *Conditions that must be met for purposes of paragraph 4:
    6(1) ''The second condition is that the creditor (or a person acting for or on behalf of the creditor)!!!8212; (a)has given a notice to driver in accordance with paragraph 7, followed by a notice to keeper in accordance with paragraph 8. This is re-iterated further !!!8216;If a notice to driver has been given, any subsequent notice to keeper MUST be given in accordance with paragraph 8.!!!8217;

    The NTK must have been delivered to the registered keeper!!!8217;s address within the !!!8216;relevant period!!!8217; which is highlighted as a total of 56 days beginning with the day after that on which any notice to driver was given. As this operator has evidently failed to serve a NTK, not only have they chosen to flout the strict requirements set out in PoFA 2012, but they have consequently failed to meet the second condition for keeper liability. Clearly I cannot be held liable to pay this charge as the mandatory series of parking charge documents were not properly given.

    2) Railway Land Is Not !!!8216;Relevant Land!!!8217;
    Under Schedule 4 of PoFA 2012, section 1, it states that:
    !!!8220;(1) This schedule applies where !!!8211;
    (a) The driver of a vehicle is required by virtue of a relevant obligation to pay parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on relevant land!!!8221;. Following from this, in section 3, PoFA 2012 states that: !!!8220;(1) In this schedule !!!8220;relevant land!!!8221; means any land (including land above or below ground level) other than - !!!8230; (b) any land !!!8230; on which the parking of a vehicle is subject to statutory control!!!8221;. And that: !!!8220;(3) For the purposes of sub-paragraph (1) (c) the parking of a vehicle on land is !!!8220;subject to statutory control!!!8221; if any statutory provision imposes a liability (whether criminal or civil, and whether in the form of a fee or charge or a penalty of any kind) in respect of the parking on that land of vehicles generally or of vehicles of a description that includes the vehicle in question!!!8221;.
    Since byelaws apply to railway land, the land is not relevant land within the meaning of PoFA and so is specifically excluded from 'keeper liability' under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. As I am the registered keeper I am not legally liable, as this Act does not apply on this land. I ask APCOA for strict proof otherwise if they disagree with this point and would require them to show evidence including documentary proof from the rail authorities that this land is not already covered by byelaws. Railway land, being governed by Byelaws, is not relevant land and Keeper Liability under POFA does not apply, and therefore APCOA are unable to pursue the registered keeper in lieu of the driver!!!8217;s details.
    POPLA assessor Steve Macallan found in 6062356150 in September 2016 that land under statutory control cannot be considered !!!8216;relevant land!!!8217; for the purposes of POFA 2012. !!!8216;As the site is not located on !!!8216;relevant land!!!8217;, the operator is unable to rely on POFA 2012 in order to transfer liability to the hirer. Additionally, as I am not satisfied the appellant was the driver, I am unable to conclude that the operator issued the PCN correctly, and I must allow this appeal.!!!8217;
    Clearly, I cannot be held liable to pay this charge as the mandatory series of parking charge documents were not properly given. POPLA Assessor, if you think that looking at the Notice to Driver instead, and comparing that to the POFA is acceptable (as happened in a very wrong 'Gemini Parking' POPLA decision prior to Christmas that is in the public domain and needs addressing as a terrible POPLA error and woeful lack of POFA training) then you are not correct, must NOT take that step and must refer this case first, to your Lead Adjudicator, because POPLA is not entitled under any rule of law to make a finding against a registered keeper in a case without a Notice to Keeper. This will continue to be stated in appeals until all POPLA Assessors get this simple matter right.

    3) APCOA Using Railway Bye law for claims
    By claiming charge is liable to them, it appears that APCOA are attempting to claim this under railway byelaws. I reject this and put to them strictly to prove on which byelaw they claim is broken, and in any case, why this would result in an obligation to pay APCOA.!
    I also refer to Freedom of Information Act Request !!!8211; F0013227 whereby the Department for the Secretary of State for Transport has categorically stated that no confirmation or change in laws since the Railways Act 1993 came into force, which empower any person or body other than the courts to impose a penalty for breach of Byelaws 14(1), (2) or (3) made under Section 219 of the Transport Act 2000 (as amended) and made operational on 7 July 2005.!
    Therefore, any breach of byelaws is a criminal offence, not a breach of any contract APCOA may say the driver entered in to. If the driver is found to have breached byelaws 14 (1-3), the resulting penalty is paid to the government, not to APCOA or the railway. Further, byelaw offences are decided by the court, not by APCOA !!!8211; the parking company or railway can only allege the breach.

    4) Appellant not being the individual liable
    APCOA has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge. (ref POPLA case Carly Law 6061796103). In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. Any person(s), with the consent of the registered keeper, may drive a vehicle as long as the driver is insured.
    Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay. I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be and as the Registered Keeper), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.
    Not being the owner of the vehicle, under the Railway byelaws the registered keeper of the vehicle cannot assumed to be the owner anymore than they can assumed to be the driver.
    As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if APCOA is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains I am only the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.
    The burden of proof rests with APCOA, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.
    Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

    Understanding keeper liability
    !!!8220;There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.!
    There is no !!!8216;reasonable presumption!!!8217; in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. If POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass."
    Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.!
    This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:!
    "I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal."

    5) Non-compliant signage
    APCOA signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself. Entrance signs which are mandatory under the code are not visible and do not follow paragraph 18.2 of the code.
    There was neither contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case. For a contract to be formed, one of the many considerations is that there must be adequate signage on entering the car park, and furthermore a Notice is not imported into the contract unless brought home !!!8220;so prominently that the party !!!8216;must!!!8217; have known of it!!!8221; and agreed terms. I contend that this is not the case, and question the fact that the driver saw any sign specifying the amount of the !!!8216;fine!!!8217; that would be due, and so there was no consideration or acceptance and no contract agreed between the parties!
    In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only:
    In the Beavis case, the £85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges.!
    Here is the 'Beavis case' sign as a comparison to the signs under dispute in this case:
    This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.
    Here, the signs are sporadically placed, indeed obscured and hidden in some areas. They are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read BEFORE the action of parking and leaving the car.!
    It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the POFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge, which is hidden in small print. Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no full terms displayed - i.e. with the sum of the parking charge itself in large lettering - at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one.!
    This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision 5960956830 on 2.6.16, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:
    ''the signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. [...] In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space [...] The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal.''
    From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put APCOA to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself.!
    The letters seem to be no larger than .40 font size going by this guide:
    As further evidence that this is inadequate notice, Letter Height Visibility is discussed here:
    ''When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2!!!8221; letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3!!!8221; or even larger.''
    ...and the same chart is reproduced here:
    ''When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall''.!
    ''...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance.''!
    So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.
    Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency':!
    (1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.!
    (2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.
    The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.
    This judgment is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports My argument, not the operator's case:
    This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.

    So, for this appeal, I put APCOA to strict proof of where the car was parked and (from photos taken in the same lighting conditions) how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require APCOA to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this. Rather intersting that the pictures that came with the notice had no site entrance photos

    Furthermore, APCOA claims there is another operator sharing boundary with it on the railway land and the ticket displayed by the driver is that of the other operator. POPLA should note that the only visible rates as you drive through the car park is that of the other operator. This visible rate is what the driver saw and the rate matched what the meter machine (within metres of where the car was parked) charged the driver. The questions needs to be asked of APCOA why their rates are not as visible as that of the other operator and why they, knowing, that there is a danger of drivers being mislead do not have clear and legible signs with their rates and also legible notice to guide drivers not to use the other operators machine.
    6) Lack of standing / authority from landowner
    Section 7 of the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice requires parking operators to have the written authority from the landowner to operate on the land. Section 7.1 states:
    !!!8220;If you do not own the land on which you are carrying out parking management, you must have the written authorisation of the landowner (or their appointed agent). The written confirmation must be given before you can start operating on the land in question and give you the authority to carry out all the aspects of car park management for the site that you are responsible for. In particular, it must say that the landowner (or their appointed agent) requires you to keep to the Code of Practice and that you have the authority to pursue outstanding parking charges!!!8221;.
    Section 7.3 states: !!!8220;The written authorisation must also set out:
    a. the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined!
    b. any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation
    c. any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement!
    d. who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs!
    e. the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.''

    I do not believe that APCOA!!!8217;s mere site agreement as a contractor issuing PCNs and letters 'on behalf of' a TOC gives the parking firm any rights to sue in their own name. This is insufficient to comply with the BPA Code of Practice and not enough to hold me liable in law to pay APCOA (not that a keeper can be liable anyway on non-relevant land and APCOA cannot enforce byelaws themselves, only the Train Operating Company (TOC) or site landowners can, by requiring the driver ONLY, to answer to a real fine at a Magistrates Court). APCOA have no title in this land and therefore have no standing to enforce 'parking charges' or penalties of any description in any court. No evidence has been supplied lawfully showing that APCOA are entitled to pursue these charges in their own right.

    I require APCOA to provide a full copy of the contemporaneous, signed & dated (unredacted) contract with the landowner. I say that any contract is not compliant with the requirements set out in the BPA Code of Practice and does not allow them to charge and issue proceedings for this sum for this alleged contravention in this car park. In order to refute this it will not be sufficient for APCOA merely to supply a site agreement or witness statement, as these do not show sufficient detail (such as the restrictions, charges and revenue sharing arrangements agreed with a landowner) and may well be signed by a non-landholder such as another agent. In order to comply with paragraph 7 of the BPA Code of Practice, a non-landowner private parking company must have a specifically-worded contract with the landowner - not merely an 'agreement' with a non-landholder managing agent - otherwise there is no authority. I put APCOA to strict proof of compliance with all of the above requirements

    7) Bays are poorly marked or ambiguously marked.
    Furthermore, the parking spaces which exist are poorly marked, in some cases the marking have all but disappeared, in wet weather, such as the date in question, this is further exacerbated.

    8) Vehicle was parked correctly.
    The evidence is lacking to show the vehicle was parked incorrectly. Photos provided by APCOA show the vehicle parked in the middle row of the car park and are not out of the ordinary. Payment for parking had been provided and the vehicle was parked correctly.
  • Redx
    Redx Posts: 38,084 Forumite
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    seems ok on a skim read

    as long as you checked the facts stated and there are no errors, wait for any other comments but do not miss those popla deadlines, and yes maybe do the 3 on 3 different days in order to get clear separation
  • Coupon-mad
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    Just the fact it's APCOA & you are using a long appeal, as keeper (not driver) tells us you'll win!
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT (except N.Ireland).
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  • Kaiser77
    Kaiser77 Posts: 11 Forumite
    edited 13 April 2018 at 8:03PM
    Hi All,
    Just wanted to update everyone and send a MASSIVE THANKS to all who helped and advised in this thread, APCOA did not want to contest the first appeal, just 2 more to go. Here is the response from POPLA.

    "Thank you for submitting your parking charge Appeal to POPLA.

    An Appeal has been opened with the reference xxxxxxxxxx.

    APCOA Parking have told us they do not wish to contest the Appeal. This means that your Appeal is successful and you do not need to pay the parking charge.

    Yours sincerely

    POPLA Team"

    I do expect the other appeals to go the same way but I will of course update everyone as soon as I have the response from POPLA.

    Again, a massive thanks to all who helped and advised. I really appreciate the support and guidance throughout this process. :beer:
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