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    • Former MSE Andrea
    • By Former MSE Andrea 3rd Jan 05, 9:05 PM
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    Former MSE Andrea
    Have you donated?
    • #1
    • 3rd Jan 05, 9:05 PM
    Have you donated? 3rd Jan 05 at 9:05 PM
    Have you donated? A simple question. Have you donated cash to the Tsunami appeal. If so how much?

    A. No !
    B. No, but am planning to !
    C. Yes, up to £10 !
    D. Yes, £11 to £24 !
    E. Yes, £25 to £49 !
    F. Yes, £50 to £99 !
    G. Yes, £100 to £249 !
    H. Yes, £250 to £999 !
    I. Yes £1,000 plus !

    To vote in the poll click on this link. To discuss the poll click on reply.

    If you'd like to donate more to charity at no cost to you read the Feed the starving at no cost to you article.
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  • RANDY
    • #2
    • 5th Jan 05, 11:12 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #2
    • 5th Jan 05, 11:12 PM
    C and ticked gift aid
    But considering more.

    So all these people paying in at banks and using the newspaper appeals. ARE THEY WASTING MONEY NOT USING GIFT AID by using the dec website?
  • Craftycarver
    • #3
    • 6th Jan 05, 12:07 AM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #3
    • 6th Jan 05, 12:07 AM
    F, but will donate more soon through the DEC also I do the gift aid thing.
    This is heartbreaking, however I can't help feeling that the likes of the Dafur problem has been pushed into the background, this is wrong, these people are still dying of starvation and disease.
  • bec
    • #4
    • 6th Jan 05, 12:17 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #4
    • 6th Jan 05, 12:17 PM
    I think you are right. We really should not forget all the people who are living through hell else where in the world.
  • Titus_frogsbutt
    • #5
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:09 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #5
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:09 PM
    Whilst I understand the sentiment, I feel this seems to be an unseemly competition to see who has donated the most. Surely every contribution should be gratefully accepted for what it is. Those who seek publicity by stating "I have given £xxx" are no more worth any thanks than someone who has only given £1.
    And by the way, what is happening in Darfur is a man-made abomination, not a natural disaster which could not be avoided!
    Has nobody else noticed that St Bob of Geldof has remained quiet throughout all this tsunami stuff? Why, is he not interested in these people? >
  • Craftycarver
    • #6
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:57 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #6
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:57 PM
    As no one gives their names here they can hardly be looking for publicity. Also, what difference does it make whether a disaster is man made or not, the people caught up in it suffer just the same.
  • Pitstop
    • #7
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:57 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #7
    • 6th Jan 05, 2:57 PM
    F (via a couple of means). I will be donating more as soon as I get paid my December salary in the next week or two.
  • Bright_Eyes
    • #8
    • 6th Jan 05, 4:01 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #8
    • 6th Jan 05, 4:01 PM
    I have donated. I also felt it quite important that my initial donation involved some sort of sacrifice - not just the cost of a new pair of winter boots (or whatever!) but actually NOT having them at all.

    I plan to set up a monthly contribution to this and other appeals. As other posters have rightly pointed out, the same number of people (150,000) as were wiped out in a few minutes by the Tsunami die of starvation across Africa and the developing world every WEEK!!!

    Whatever the reason, man made, nature, bad decisions etc., if we call ourselves a civilised society surely we must do ALL we can.

    I am not worried about St Bob's absence (hopefully he is concentrating on tye problems in AFrica - and Mike Reid has taken on a music industry project for the Tsunami appeal.

    I don't care if Tony Blair remained on holiday with his family (he is a father and husband also). He was in constant touch as required and save for recalling parliemanet adn pulling all MP's back from holidays, what more could he do. However, he may not want to be reminded that he was behind the public condemnation of the Queen who decided to keep her bereaved Grandsons in Scotland away from public glare and in the bosom of the only family they really knew, when their mother (Diana) was killed. Double standards perhaps but nota hanging offence!

    I am worried about the growing number of journalists who MUST be using valuable resources in disaster hit areas. Yes, it's important that the need is kept in the public eye, but wouldn't it be a great coup if ONLY ONE reporter from ANYWHERE in the world was allowed in each region.

    If we have a team (perhaps 7 - 8 people at least) from BBC, ITN and Channel 4, all needing food, water, accommodation, transport (fuel is scarce in some places) and many of them are flying around in military helicopters etc, how many are there in total in EACH small zone. Lets assume that Germany, Sweden, France, USA, Japan, Australia, Canada, India, and many more countries with AT LEAST 3 networks apiece are in place. That runs into the hundreds.

    What do other posters think? Should we turn off our news channels or complain to the NUJ. Is there actually anything left to report of value?

    >
  • Titus_frogsbutt
    • #9
    • 6th Jan 05, 5:21 PM
    Re: Have you donated?
    • #9
    • 6th Jan 05, 5:21 PM
    As no one gives their names here they can hardly be looking for publicity. Also, what difference does it make whether a disaster is man made or not, the people caught up in it suffer just the same.
    Ok, feed the world & all that. What I am getting at is that we should just donate whatever we can/want to but not be made to feel less of a person cos someone else gives more. Only the person donating can know the worth of what they are giving.
  • Titus_frogsbutt
    Re: Have you donated?
    I am worried about the growing number of journalists who MUST be using valuable resources in disaster hit areas. !Yes, it's important that the need is kept in the public eye, but wouldn't it be a great coup if ONLY ONE reporter from ANYWHERE in the world was allowed in each region.
    >
    I agree with your comment about the journo's. They must be getting in the way (and think how much aid could have been sent instead of these people). I hope they and/or their employers have made a reasonable contribution to the effort & not just by reporting it
  • alwaysatwork
    Re: Have you donated?
    I think that everyone should be able to sign up via the tax system if they wish to pay an extra amount, say 1p in the pound for disasters over seas aid, third world debt relief etc. The government could use this money rather than the general pot money which I suspect the silent majority would rather was not spent on such projects. If I am wrong about the silent majority then everyone one will sign up or donate money via charity or the tax system anyway.

    This may seem very hard but if the UK is as caring as it is made out to be then surely the money will be raised anyway. I suspect even with people like me around who donít want to contribute more money would be raised than there is now.

    I am sure some of you are now thinking what a nasty person I am so I would like to explain myself a little.

    I recently watch my Dad die probably needlessly due to lack of resources in a NHS hospital. It is a clich! but he never used the NHS, worked all his life and fought in WW11 yet once he had been in hospital a few weeks his pension was reduced as if somehow his bills disappeared while he was in hospital. (Did anyone else know that happened?) The conditions he died in were degrading. The first time he needed the system he was let down.

    At the same time as this was happening as part of my job I was visiting houses for Asylum seekers, many of these houses were new or completely renovated with new kitchens bathrooms power showers and new furniture and carpets and their gas and electric bills were paid for them. No card meters for them. All this was available for someone who had just arrived in the country yet my Dad could not get some sponges on a stick he regularly needed to clean his mouth whilst he was ill/dying to make him comfortable. We bought them and they were stolen by other people who presumably needed them and couldnít get them either.

    OK thatís just one example but what about our schools? Our local school is full of druggies and misfits and has terrible GCSE results. I know thatís not PC but it highlights a shed load of other problems we need to deal with as well. In order to get my kids a decent education I have sent them to private school. I know am lucky to be able to do this but I can only do it by working 60 hours a week and going into debt around £16,000 at the moment and it will be more like £26,000 when they leave which I will take me years to pay of once they leave school. Meanwhile I work so much I have no time to enjoy my children. Why donít we sort our schools out?(for the record I earn £30,000 a year before tax after all that overtime and pay 14,000 of that on school fees.

    At this point I could go off on a rant about all the other things we do or donít spend money on. We found a lot more money and manpower to invade Iraq and kill people looking for none existent WMD than we have helping out people in East Asia or Africa. If the West really cared they would have spent the Iraq money feeding Africa How many unexpected billions have been spent since the firemen were told there was no money in the pot for them? ( I am not a fireman) Anyway I will spare you the rest of my rant. I just think we should get things organised here before we look abroad or overspend on people who have just arrived here, then perhaps mine and many other peoples Dads might be alive, our pensioners might be able to afford to heat and feed themselves, our kids might be educated and ultimately we might be in a better position to help other countries instead of bleeding them dry and pretending we care.

    I am truly saddened by events in East Asia but millions die in Africa and have been for decades and ALL of us have done little or nothing, so whatís different now? All I am saying is let those that want to give give but donít force the rest of us.
  • alwaysatwork
    Re: Have you donated?
    I agree with your comment about the journo's. They must be getting in the way (and think how much aid could have been sent instead of these people). I hope they and/or their employers have made a reasonable contribution to the effort & not just by reporting it
    If journos were not there reporting it do you think the country would have been so motivated to give so much money?
  • alwaysatwork
    Re: Have you donated?
    Ok, feed the world & all that. What I am getting at is that we should just donate whatever we can/want to but not be made to feel less of a person cos someone else gives more. Only the person donating can know the worth of what they are giving.
    How many of us could not beg steal or borrow (well maybe not steal) £1000 from somewhere to donate if we really wanted to? And if you can manage that you could probably manage more. where would we stop? Imagine you live in a 200,000 house. You could downsize to a 100,000 and save loads of lives donating the other 100,000 quid
  • brunolleski_domo
    Re: Have you donated?
    G based on savings made from tips on the site in the last month-we've been buying appliances for a new kitchen.

    Makes you remember how lucky it is to live in such a stable environment-political, economical and environmental

  • Titus_frogsbutt
    Re: Have you donated?

    If journos were not there reporting it do you think the country would have been so motivated to give so much money?
    OK, but do we really need 3 or 4 from each company, along with their back-up crews? ???
  • Titus_frogsbutt
    Re: Have you donated?
    I am truly saddened by events in East Asia but millions die in Africa and have been for decades and ALL of us have done little or nothing, so whatís different now? All I am saying is let those that want to give give but donít force the rest of us.
    You hit the nail on the head there. These donations are voluntary and nobody should be thought worse of, no matter how much or little they give. Charity does exactly what it says on the tin!!!
  • AndyD1
    Re: Have you donated?
    Tears to eyes

    Tears to eyes when nightmares we see
    Sometimes become part of reality
    Tragedy strikes when nature runs wild
    Without any warning like a bad tempered child

    Tears to eyes when nightmares come true
    Can happen so easily, suddenly too
    So many lives lost we'll often ask why?
    What can we learn from disasters gone by?

    Tears to eyes these nightmares will bring
    So much desolation and pain that will sting
    Earthquakes and hurricanes, tsunamis and storms
    Pull us apart and leave our world torn

    Tears to eyes the nightmares we fear
    When they occur pray the angels are near
    We must all unite the best way we can
    Through tragic times with helping hands.


    Andy 7/1/05
  • alwaysatwork
    Re: Have you donated?
    OK, but do we really need 3 or 4 from each company, along with their back-up crews? !???
    Probably as they are covering a considerable area of the world, it did not just happen in one place and the back up crews are needed to set up the satellite links work the cameras and sound etc
  • alwaysatwork
    Re: Have you donated?
    You hit the nail on the head there. These donations are voluntary and nobody should be thought worse of, no matter how much or little they give. Charity does exactly what it says on the tin!!!
    What concerns me is the none voluntary contributions made with our money by the government. If the government have 100s of millions of pounds to donate to east asia as they say I want it spent on our hospitals, schools, pensioners, homeless, nurses etc. That is what it was collected for, we don't need the government to donate money on our behalf. !People who want to donate can do so via the various charities.
    • Former MSE Andrea
    • By Former MSE Andrea 10th Jan 05, 9:45 AM
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    Former MSE Andrea
    Re: Have you donated?
    Below are the results to our previous poll. Thanks to the 2118 participants who took part in this poll.

    C. Yes, up to £10 19.2% - (407 Votes)
    D. Yes, £11 to £24 17.5% - (372 Votes)
    F. Yes, £50 to £99 16.4% - (348 Votes)
    G. Yes, £100 to £249 13.3% - (283 Votes)
    E. Yes, £25 to £49 12.2% - (260 Votes)
    B. No, but am planning to 9.6% - (204 Votes)
    A. No 8.8% - (187 Votes)
    H. Yes, £250 to £999 2% - (43 Votes)
    I. Yes £1,000 plus 0.6% - (14 Votes)

    Total Votes: 2118
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