Multi-Asset Funds - Differences?
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I'm looking to put some money away into a LifeStrategy type multi-asset fund, around 40-50% equities maximum.
From looking around the options seem to be:
LifeStrategy seems the most often mentioned as it's pretty much "fire and forget" which is the point.
Are there any specific situations in which you'd be looking at the others in preference to LifeStrategy?
From looking around the options seem to be:
- LifeStrategy
- HSBC
- L&G
- Blackrock consensus
- Architas Passive
LifeStrategy seems the most often mentioned as it's pretty much "fire and forget" which is the point.
Are there any specific situations in which you'd be looking at the others in preference to LifeStrategy?
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I'm looking to put some money away into a LifeStrategy type multi-asset fund, around 40-50% equities maximum.
From looking around the options seem to be:- LifeStrategy
- HSBC
- L&G
- Blackrock consensus
- Architas Passive
LifeStrategy seems the most often mentioned as it's pretty much "fire and forget" which is the point.
Are there any specific situations in which you'd be looking at the others in preference to LifeStrategy?
There is also Fidelity Multi Asset Allocator0 -
As mentioned above. Some are returns focused and will move around the risk profile over an economic cycle. Some are risk targeted and the asset mix will be adjusted frequently to ensure they remain within the targetted volatility range.
Some of them have rigid allocations that rarely change. Some tweak the allocations throughout the cycle.
Some include property. Some do not.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
I'd go with a fund that rebalances to the asset allocation that makes you feel safe. Other than that I don't think it really matters what fund you choose; it's a choice between red apples or green apples.“So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.”0
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I'm looking to put some money away into a LifeStrategy type multi-asset fund, around 40-50% equities maximum.
From looking around the options seem to be:- LifeStrategy
- HSBC
- L&G
- Blackrock consensus
- Architas Passive
LifeStrategy seems the most often mentioned as it's pretty much "fire and forget" which is the point.
With Lifestrategy they don't attempt to target a particular level of risk or annualised volatility, They just promise you the result of x% equity (of which y% is domestic stockmarket rather than international stockmarkets), and y% bonds.
As such, Mallygirl and Dunstonh above would describes the Lifestrategy product as 'performance targeted' rather than 'risk targeted'. The former builds a portfolio to targets the performance of whatever you'll get from taking exposure to x% equity and z% bonds, while the latter would target a particular level of risk appetite and more dynamically change the holdings to keep you in that 'risk band' over time based on what their consultants say is an asset mix that qualifies as being in that risk band from time to time..
With the Vanguard product you can clearly 'go up and down the risk scale' by choosing the greater or lesser equity versions, so some people would say the distinction is just semantics. However, over the course of an economic cycle the probable risk or volatility being presented by a given mix of a% b% c% d% in different domestic and international regions and e% in domestic bonds, f% index linked bonds, g% international corporate bonds hedged to sterling, etc.. can change.
So perhaps you pick VLS40 and someone reviews its contents and grades it 4 out of 10 risk one year and 5 out of 10 risk another year even though its contents didn't really change. Whereas if you picked L&G Multi Index 5 it would always expect to be rated 5 out of 10 every year because they design it to be able to efficiently change its composition to remain within that risk profile.Are there any specific situations in which you'd be looking at the others in preference to LifeStrategy?
So if you had five fund brands to look at and you were considering a couple from each range (e.g. HSBC Conservative and Balanced, L&G MI 4 and 5, etc) you have ten funds to look at. Maybe the third one you look at is good enough for your needs, in terms of 'putting some money away' at a reasonable cost with reasonable prospects and not excessive risk, so you don't bother to painstakingly evaluate the other seven which you haven't even looked at yet. So depending where you start on that list of ten funds and what your objectives are, you might never get to Vanguard. Or if you start at Vanguard you might never move past it. The more money you are investing, the more it is worth your while considering what choices are available and how they all operate.
A number of years ago I used Blackrock Consensus 70 or 85 as filler in my parents ISA portfolios which I was trying to sort out for them and cut down the number of holdings. At the time, their platform (HL) had a discounted management fee on the fund so the effective OCF came down to around 0.1% which was welcome given the HL platform fee is a pretty high percentage.
Fast forward to a couple of years ago after the portfolios became larger and we wanted to reduce the risk profile (and would be changing platforms to save costs, so the fee incentive on Blackrock wasn't relevant), they started to move over to L&G MI 5 instead (http://www.lgim.com/files/_document-library/adviser/multi-index-income-consumer-guide.pdf) which is a reasonable mix with dedicated property / listed infrastructure allocation.
I say 'started to'; my mum moved her Consensus allocation over to the Multi Index, but my dad is always reluctant to sell things that have been having a good run (for something that might not go up as much in the good times, even though he doesn't like the idea of losses...) so he still has about 5% left in Consensus which won't really change the portfolio outcome too much compared to being something lower risk from another provider.
With hindsight, Vanguard's greater US index allocation would have given it a better result than Blackrock for the same level of equities over the last five years, but that's not a feature which will endure from one period to the next as the US won't aways be the best place to be invested.0 -
Wow some good info there thank you
The aim here is to park some money that I don't plan on needing but don't want to take as much of a chance on as I do with my money that is in actively managed equity funds.
I'm on a fixed fee platform so other than £10 for the trade all I'd be paying is the OCF so whilst I get that there are lots of multi-asset funds I think what I meant to say was I'm focusing on the lower cost ones.
Does anyone have any experience of Architas? I only ask as I hadn't really heard of them but they appear to be risk balanced and have a very low OCF (the Intermediate Passive Z class on my platform is 0.19%) but do appear rather UK focussed.
https://uk.architas.com/siteassets/documents/uk-factsheets/passive-funds/architas-ma-passive-intermediate-fund-factsheet0 -
Does anyone have any experience of Architas?
yes. Very big fund house.
Whereas the VLS funds are fettered fund of funds and not risk targetted, the Architas funds are unfettered fund of funds and are risk targeted.
Another one not often mentioned is the Standard Life Investments MyFolio Market.
They dont all match up on a like for like risk basis. So, some fo them the returns may be better/worse due to the risk level being taken and the asset weightings used. Indeed, I just ran a comparison of the performance of all the usual suspects and then a risk analysis of all of them and the positions of the funds were almost the same with both i.e. the riskiest fund was top (as you would expect following a long growth period) and lowest risk fund was bottom and most in between matched positions. A few were a bit out but in the ballpark.
The bottom line is that if you go with any of these, you will get broadly similar performance with all of them when matching risk profile (or as close as you can get). One will do better in one period as it has more in an area that is doing better. The next period it will be someone elses turn and so on.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
Dunsonh thank you, appreciate that
Do you have a view on how different fund providers allocate geographically?
I've noticed that, for example, Architas seem to be very UK focussed for all components at > 50% whilst others such as LifeStrategy seem to be spread out a little more globally, with a US focus.0 -
Dunsonh thank you, appreciate that
Do you have a view on how different fund providers allocate geographically?
I've noticed that, for example, Architas seem to be very UK focussed for all components at > 50% whilst others such as LifeStrategy seem to be spread out a little more globally, with a US focus.
VLS has done well over the last decade because of its increased weighting in US. If it has existed in the previous decade when the US underperformed global markets, it would have suffered.
You are not going to know what the next decade brings.I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.0 -
VLS has done well over the last decade because of its increased weighting in US. If it has existed in the previous decade when the US underperformed global markets, it would have suffered.
You are not going to know what the next decade brings.
Both very good points which is why this is so damned difficult0
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