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    • Darren0410
    • By Darren0410 16th Aug 19, 6:07 AM
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    Written off car
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    Written off car 16th Aug 19 at 6:07 AM
    So I have a car finance agreement (conditional sale agreement) I have gap insurance although I have no actual clue what this is or had any paperwork.

    4 year term, 7 months in. So the car was involved in a complete non fault accident, no quibbles from either insurance and it was written off. The car was bought @ roughly 4k around 7/8 to pay back. They're paying out 3380.

    Now what is the situation with a) the finance agreement and b) the gap insurance? I have a cheque on the way for the vehicle. Will the gap insurance do the same or do they liase directly with the finance company? (Moneybarn)

    Other thing. I'm now without a car. Since getting the car there have been a few credit report changes due to a break up with a partner which means my chance of passing another credit check for another car is less than zilch and I have no disposable income to purchase one however a car is very important.

    What are the consequence s of using the payout money to replace the car? I have literally zero Intention of not paying the finance, I'm comfortable enough to afford it and have a very secure job so that's no problem and it high interest so was taken out as a credit builder anyway. Not sure where to go from here.
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    • zx81
    • By zx81 16th Aug 19, 6:12 AM
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    Is there actually a gap between the payout and your remaining finance? It seems unlikely there will be any need for the gap insurance to pay out.

    If your finance is secured on the car, you'll need to settle the balance now. Check your paperwork or give the lender a call.
    • Darren0410
    • By Darren0410 16th Aug 19, 6:43 AM
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    • 16th Aug 19, 6:43 AM
    I didn't think of that, so am I right in thinking the interest would be taken off in effect of I got a settlement figure because it's so early in the agreement? How does gap insurance work? What does it actually cover?
    • zx81
    • By zx81 16th Aug 19, 6:49 AM
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    It cover the gap between your finance an the amount you get for the car, so always have enough to clear the finance.

    After 7 months, depending on the rate and term, your finance is very likely to be below 3800.
    • Darren0410
    • By Darren0410 16th Aug 19, 7:01 AM
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    • 16th Aug 19, 7:01 AM
    Was not sure on the figures so just had a look. Bought the car for 4594. They added 4645.40 interest over 60 months. Paid back at 156.60 per month and made 5 Payments so as it stands paid 783 (apologies if any math is wrong I'm poor at it) so that would mean there is 3811 left but I don't know how all the interest works so that could be wrong. The insurance pay out 3380 mean there would be a very small gap of 431. But the problem is I then have no money left to replace car and a very very unlikely chance of getting credit on a new one.

    I'm pretty sure legally I can't do this but what would happen if I used the pay out to simply replace the car? I have no intention of not making the finance payments (I know this means nothing in the eyes of the law) so the finance company would be no worse off and I wouldn't still be able to get to work etc.
    • fiisch
    • By fiisch 16th Aug 19, 7:09 AM
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    If the finance was secured against the car, then it would need to be settled. If it's standalone (e.g.: you arrange a loan separately through a third party), then not. Unfortunately, it sounds from your post as if it's the former...

    Also, why would you need Gap insurance on a 4k car?

    I thought the use of Gap insurance was to cover the shortfall if the outstanding finance was higher than the value of the car in the event of a normal accident. This scenario typically occurs in the first 2-2.5 years of a PCP agreement owing to a new car's depreciation curve, but on a 4k car I can't envisage a point where the owner would be in negative equity (unless they'd financed over 10+ years!).

    Possibly a case of mis-selling, or have I missed something?
    • zx81
    • By zx81 16th Aug 19, 7:10 AM
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    • 16th Aug 19, 7:10 AM
    Your calculations are wrong. Your payments have been the covering the interest as well, not just the capital.

    Ask for for a settlement figure but on the basis of what you've now put, your balance will still be well above 4k. You'll need to use the gap insurance.

    If you choose not to settle the finance, you'll end up defaulting, with the usual consequences, risk of CCJ and so on.
    • Darren0410
    • By Darren0410 16th Aug 19, 7:14 AM
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    • 16th Aug 19, 7:14 AM
    If the finance was secured against the car, then it would need to be settled. If it's standalone (e.g.: you arrange a loan separately through a third party), then not. Unfortunately, it sounds from your post as if it's the former...

    Also, why would you need Gap insurance on a 4k car?

    I thought the use of Gap insurance was to cover the shortfall if the outstanding finance was higher than the value of the car in the event of a normal accident. This scenario typically occurs in the first 2-2.5 years of a PCP agreement owing to a new car's depreciation curve, but on a 4k car I can't envisage a point where the owner would be in negative equity (unless they'd financed over 10+ years!).

    Possibly a case of mis-selling, or have I missed something?
    Originally posted by fiisch

    Not a clue. Unfortunately very wet behind the ears regarding all this and was told it was something I needed. It was 364 over 3 years to cover the full term of the finance.
    • zx81
    • By zx81 16th Aug 19, 7:24 AM
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    • 16th Aug 19, 7:24 AM
    Don't pursue mis selling.

    It looks like it may have been the best thing you ever bought. You're going to need it.
    • DrEskimo
    • By DrEskimo 16th Aug 19, 7:45 AM
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    It depends what GAP cover you have. Finance GAP is just one type of GAP cover, that covers any shortfall between your insurance payout and the finance settlement.

    The most common form is return to invoice, which will cover the shortfall between the insurance valuation and the invoice price you paid.

    If you have return to invoice GAP, then in your case it will pay out the difference between the 4,594 you paid, and the 3,380 your insurance have offered, so a cheque for 1,214. IF you have return to invoice GAP.

    What's the exact terms of the finance though, as based on those numbers you might get a bigger pay out for the finance GAP, than the invoice GAP.

    Did you have a deposit, or was the car 4,494, and you got a 60month loan at ~38% APR, which works out at 60 payments of 156.60?
    Is there a larger final payment at the end (balloon payment)?

    If it's just 60 straight payments at 156.6, with no deposit or no large final payment, then your current settlement after 5months is about 4,667, so your finance GAP would be worth 1,287, slightly higher than returning to invoice price, so that is what they would pay out.

    Generally it's advised to get the GAP insurance company involved, so that they can negotiate the payout figure from your insurance company. Since they are paying the shortfall, they want to make sure the payout they offer is reasonable to mitigate their costs...have you agreed to the insurance offer already? The GAP provider may refuse to cover the entire amount if you have and they think it's too low....
    Last edited by DrEskimo; 16-08-2019 at 7:49 AM.
    • DrEskimo
    • By DrEskimo 16th Aug 19, 7:52 AM
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    Not a clue. Unfortunately very wet behind the ears regarding all this and was told it was something I needed. It was 364 over 3 years to cover the full term of the finance.
    Originally posted by Darren0410
    That is ridiculously high premium, but depending on the level of cover it may have saved you a good chunk of money, so not all bad...!

    You really need to check the details of the GAP you were provided to see what it will cover.

    Next time, never buy GAP (or actually anything additional...) from the dealer. I have one of the most comprehensive GAP insurance policies you can get for over a 5yr term on a vehicle worth 15k and it only cost me 248 using a company online. As with most things from a dealer, the mark up is horrendous, and the quality of the product is usually sub-par too...
    • Penelopa.Pitstop
    • By Penelopa.Pitstop 16th Aug 19, 10:22 AM
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    Read your GAP T&C to check what policy do you have and contact them ASAP. I bet T&C say that they should be made aware of claim and be involved in negotiation between you and insurance company to agree on payment amount.

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