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  • Terrylw1
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    • 25th Nov 07, 12:38 AM
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    • 25th Nov 07, 12:38 AM
    Hi,

    It can kick in from 12-7am or 12:30-7:30am depending on region for E7.

    Your Supplier would be able to confirm it correctly.

    It's not uncommon though for them to be out by hours. This helps some customer save money, but not all.

    See if the night dial has started recording at at 11:50 and then against just after 12. If not, try it for the 12:30 routine. Thats if you don't want to call your Supplier.

    E10 and the various Flexiheat, E18 etc etc...they are different issues.
    It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!
    • tomstickland
    • By tomstickland 25th Nov 07, 12:40 AM
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    tomstickland
    • #3
    • 25th Nov 07, 12:40 AM
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    • 25th Nov 07, 12:40 AM
    I'm in the South West and it's approx 1am to 8am.
    • SwanJon
    • By SwanJon 25th Nov 07, 5:37 PM
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    SwanJon
    • #4
    • 25th Nov 07, 5:37 PM
    • #4
    • 25th Nov 07, 5:37 PM
    There's another thread out there with specifics on - that might help.
    I've found this - any help?
    For London/SWALEC/SWEB you may need to ask your supplier

    Eastern - 12 7 am or 12:30 - 7:30 Winter and 1 - 8 or 1:30 to 8:30 Summer
    East Midlands - 1 8 am (timeswitch) 12-7 am (teleswitch)
    London - Differs from property to property
    Manweb / Scottish Power Area - 12 7 am (winter) 1-8 am (summer)
    Midlands - 12:30 7:30 am
    Northern - 11 6 am (winter) 12 7 am (summer)
    Norweb - 10.30pm to 12.30am and 2.30am to 7.30am
    Southern Area - 11:30 - 07:30
    Scottish Hydro Area - 11:30 6:30 am
    Seeboard - 10:30 - 00:30 and 02:30 - 07:30 (Some properties are 11:00 - 06:30)
    SWALEC Area - Differs from property to property
    Yorkshire - 12:30 7:30 am (winter) 1:30 8:30 am (summer)

    SWEB -
    SSC183 - 12 8 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC184 - 11 7 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC244 - 12 7 am
    SSC181 - 11:30 8 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC182 - 11 7 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC180 - 12 8 am (any 7 hours)
  • Terrylw1
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    • 25th Nov 07, 8:03 PM
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    • 25th Nov 07, 8:03 PM
    Nice one Swanjon, couldn't find the other threads.

    OP - Worth also noting that if you have an Off Peak only meter with bursts OP1/OP2/OP3, the bursts are different to E7 as they can be through the day.
    It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!
    • SwanJon
    • By SwanJon 25th Nov 07, 10:25 PM
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    • 25th Nov 07, 10:25 PM
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    • 25th Nov 07, 10:25 PM
    Found it.
    ChumpusRex provided a lisgt which may help those other regions
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=6777775#post6777775
  • BexTech
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    • 26th Nov 07, 9:36 AM
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    • 26th Nov 07, 9:36 AM
    Midlands - 12:30 7:30 am
    Originally posted by SwanJon

    1:30 - 8:30 in the Summer.
    It's PAC not PAC Code, it's MAC not MAC Code, it's PIN not PIN Number, it's ATM not ATM Machine, it's LCD not LCD Display, it's DVD not DVD disc... It's no one not noone, It's a lot not alot, It's got not gotten... Panini is the plural of panino - there is no S!!
    (OK my English isn't great, the sciences, maths & IT are my strong points!)
    • Ialwaysgetdone
    • By Ialwaysgetdone 15th Jan 08, 8:43 AM
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    Ialwaysgetdone
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    • 15th Jan 08, 8:43 AM
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    • 15th Jan 08, 8:43 AM
    There's another thread out there with specifics on - that might help.
    I've found this - any help?
    For London/SWALEC/SWEB you may need to ask your supplier

    Eastern - 12 7 am or 12:30 - 7:30 Winter and 1 - 8 or 1:30 to 8:30 Summer
    East Midlands - 1 8 am (timeswitch) 12-7 am (teleswitch)
    London - Differs from property to property
    Manweb / Scottish Power Area - 12 7 am (winter) 1-8 am (summer)
    Midlands - 12:30 7:30 am
    Northern - 11 6 am (winter) 12 7 am (summer)
    Norweb - 10.30pm to 12.30am and 2.30am to 7.30am
    Southern Area - 11:30 - 07:30
    Scottish Hydro Area - 11:30 6:30 am
    Seeboard - 10:30 - 00:30 and 02:30 - 07:30 (Some properties are 11:00 - 06:30)
    SWALEC Area - Differs from property to property
    Yorkshire - 12:30 7:30 am (winter) 1:30 8:30 am (summer)


    SWEB -
    SSC183 - 12 8 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC184 - 11 7 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC244 - 12 7 am
    SSC181 - 11:30 8 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC182 - 11 7 am (any 7 hours)
    SSC180 - 12 8 am (any 7 hours)
    Originally posted by SwanJon
    Where did you get the Scottish Power info from because I can't find anything on their website. I phoned them up and was told it's 12 midnight to 8.30am in both summer and winter on the tariff that I'm on :confused:
    I know that 20 years ago it was 11pm - 7.30am or 12 - 8.30 depending on winter/summer because that's when we had the storage heaters put in but after phoning them recently I was told 12 - 8.30 all year round. I did wonder because my meter gives a clunk at 8.28 am every morning all year round and I never see the lights go dim at 11pm any more like they used to
  • espresso
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    • 15th Jan 08, 11:08 AM
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    • 15th Jan 08, 11:08 AM
    Where did you get the Scottish Power info from because I can't find anything on their website. I phoned them up and was told it's 12 midnight to 8.30am in both summer and winter on the tariff that I'm on :confused:
    Originally posted by Ialwaysgetdone
    :confused:

    What tariff is that? Economy 8½
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    • Ialwaysgetdone
    • By Ialwaysgetdone 15th Jan 08, 11:54 AM
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    Ialwaysgetdone
    :confused:

    What tariff is that? Economy 8½
    Originally posted by espresso
    Not sure what it's called these days but I was originally on Economy 7. However they told me that the only customers that are still on Economy 7 are those who were on at before they did away with it. Economy 7 under that name is no longer available to new customers.
    I was also told that the off peak between 12 and 8.30 is not necessessarily continuously off peak.
    I'm not on the tariff where you get a "boost" of leccy in the afternoon like some are

    EDIT...I have just contacted them to clarify this and apparently my tarrif which is no longer available to new customers is actually off peak for ANY 8.5 hours between TEN pm and 8.30am all year round so I could be blasting away with my tumble dryer at the wrong time and wouldn't know. They say it depends on how old your meter is and where you live also but other Economy 7 tariffs are generally any 7 hours in an 8.5 hour period USUALLY between 12midnight and 8.30am but can also be 12-8
    Last edited by Ialwaysgetdone; 15-01-2008 at 12:23 PM.
    • Be Happy
    • By Be Happy 15th Jan 08, 3:47 PM
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    Be Happy
    Not sure what it's called these days but I was originally on Economy 7. However they told me that the only customers that are still on Economy 7 are those who were on at before they did away with it. Economy 7 under that name is no longer available to new customers.
    I was also told that the off peak between 12 and 8.30 is not necessessarily continuously off peak.
    I'm not on the tariff where you get a "boost" of leccy in the afternoon like some are

    EDIT...I have just contacted them to clarify this and apparently my tarrif which is no longer available to new customers is actually off peak for ANY 8.5 hours between TEN pm and 8.30am all year round so I could be blasting away with my tumble dryer at the wrong time and wouldn't know. They say it depends on how old your meter is and where you live also but other Economy 7 tariffs are generally any 7 hours in an 8.5 hour period USUALLY between 12midnight and 8.30am but can also be 12-8
    Originally posted by Ialwaysgetdone

    Thank goodness someone else is on a tariff like mine with Scottish Power region. I too, was ridiculed by Espresso when I said I had an 8 1/2 hour off peak time. I have always had this in this region. It runs from midnight to 8.30 am in the summer and 11 pm to 7.30 am in the winter and I have checked these times by waiting beside the meter to see the red light switch between 'low' and 'normal' at the appropriate time. I've even taken readings to check that no 'normal' units are being used during the 8 1/2 hour stretch.(Must get a life!!)

    Before I get any further sarcasm about the name Economy 7. Our original tariff was called White Meter, I understand it only changed to Economy 7 to bring the name into line with other regions. I'm told though that new customers to the rate only get 7 hours.

    If further confirmation were needed, time clock jammed several months ago and new clock was fitted by power company. Engineer set it up for the 8 1.2 hour period.
  • espresso
    Thank goodness someone else is on a tariff like mine with Scottish Power region. I too, was ridiculed by Espresso when I said I had an 8 1/2 hour off peak time. I have always had this in this region. It runs from midnight to 8.30 am in the summer and 11 pm to 7.30 am in the winter and I have checked these times by waiting beside the meter to see the red light switch between 'low' and 'normal' at the appropriate time. I've even taken readings to check that no 'normal' units are being used during the 8 1/2 hour stretch.(Must get a life!!)

    Before I get any further sarcasm about the name Economy 7. Our original tariff was called White Meter, I understand it only changed to Economy 7 to bring the name into line with other regions. I'm told though that new customers to the rate only get 7 hours.

    If further confirmation were needed, time clock jammed several months ago and new clock was fitted by power company. Engineer set it up for the 8 1.2 hour period.
    Originally posted by Be Happy
    :confused:

    No ridicule at all but if you are still getting your electricity from the original regional supplier, you are unlikely to be getting the best deal, even if you do get the extra 1½ night rate hours. (what is that worth in real money)

    How much are you paying for your day and night units on this dinosaur tariff? How much could you be paying if you switched to a different supplier? Why haven't you switched?

    I agree that you really should get a life and get out more though!

    Last edited by espresso; 16-01-2008 at 9:03 AM.
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  • Terrylw1
    SwanJon's post came from another thread where a poster has added part of the industry held Market Domain Data. These are open and closed as they go out of the market so they cannot be used in any registrations.

    Every Supplier gets a full list and it is constantly updated where new codes and combinations enter the market.

    Your bill shows a 3 digit number which denotes this. You won't know though as it's more for the Suppliers when you change. The SSC's above are held between Suppliers and Agents so you will have no way to check them without contacting your Supplier.


    These are all the meter types in the SPOW region. White metering is still there. Now, how the meter is set up is the important part - not how the Supplier decides to change the name of your tariff e.g. you have 8.5hr white meter on E7 tariff = you still get the 8.5 off peak but it is billed against an E7 tariff. You still get your meter timeswitch time though. They can't get around that without changing the data below which is for the old SPOW region and is used by ALL Suppliers for that region.


    SPOW Meter Timeswitch Class Description
    12 Hr OP + Weekend
    16 Hr OP + Weekend
    18 Hr dynamic
    20 Hr OP + Weekend
    3 rate SToD
    8.5 Hour White Meter
    8.5 Hour WM (HWR) Landlord
    8.5 Hour WM (HWR) Tenant
    8.5 Hr OP + Weekend
    8.5 Hr White Meter
    8.5 Hr White Meter Heating
    8.5 Hr WM Heating
    8.5 Hr WM Heating (Landlord)
    CPWM (PCR)
    Crop & Air Conditioning 12 Hr
    Crop & Air Conditioning 16 Hr
    Evening & Weekend
    Single Rate Unrestricted
    Weathercall
    Weathercall (HWR) Landlord
    It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!
    • Be Happy
    • By Be Happy 16th Jan 08, 12:49 PM
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    Be Happy
    :confused:

    No ridicule at all but if you are still getting your electricity from the original regional supplier, you are unlikely to be getting the best deal, even if you do get the extra 1 night rate hours. (what is that worth in real money)

    How much are you paying for your day and night units on this dinosaur tariff? How much could you be paying if you switched to a different supplier? Why haven't you switched?

    I agree that you really should get a life and get out more though!

    Originally posted by espresso

    Thanks, but I have changed supplier at various times and, until the latest price increases I was very happy with my tariff from Npower. Changing supplier has no effect on the time of off-peak in the region.
  • Terrylw1
    Thanks, but I have changed supplier at various times and, until the latest price increases I was very happy with my tariff from Npower. Changing supplier has no effect on the time of off-peak in the region.
    Originally posted by Be Happy

    Thats correct. Meters are defined by the industry and then the relevant codes are submitted to all Supplier and Agents.

    Suppliers can then choose to compete over the price per unit.

    Some Suppliers don't even have tariffs for every type of meter out there so sometimes you get bundled on say E7 when you may have a 2 rate E8.5 (White Meter). It doesn't matter since your timeswitch times remain the same unless they change the meter to E7. Your units then would also be at 8.5, not 7 as the tariff name would suggest.
    It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!
    • Sunnyday
    • By Sunnyday 17th Jan 08, 12:42 AM
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    Sunnyday
    I have a Scottish power economy 7 meter and i`m very happy with it.
    We use the washer dishwasher, slow cooker and breadmaker at night and it saves us a good bit, as we work shifts the shower is usually used at cheap rate too.
    The times are supposed to be 12 until 7am winter and 1 until 8 in the summer but the time on the meter is wrong and at the moment we get the thunk and the lovely red light at around 1120 pm, it loses at bit each year and we should be using it mid day in around 20 years
    SD
    Planning on starting the GC again soon
  • AlanG
    Thats correct. Meters are defined by the industry and then the relevant codes are submitted to all Supplier and Agents.

    Suppliers can then choose to compete over the price per unit.

    Some Suppliers don't even have tariffs for every type of meter out there so sometimes you get bundled on say E7 when you may have a 2 rate E8.5 (White Meter). It doesn't matter since your timeswitch times remain the same unless they change the meter to E7. Your units then would also be at 8.5, not 7 as the tariff name would suggest.
    Originally posted by Terrylw1
    Hi

    What happens to the people who were on Day and Night rates (10 hours , 20.30 to 06;30 overnight cheaper leccy) and still have the old meters and timers, but are now billed on E7.
  • BexTech
    Hi

    What happens to the people who were on Day and Night rates (10 hours , 20.30 to 06;30 overnight cheaper leccy) and still have the old meters and timers, but are now billed on E7.
    Originally posted by AlanG
    Think you just get billed the daytime E7 rate during the peak hours and the night time E7 rate for the 10 hours.
    It's PAC not PAC Code, it's MAC not MAC Code, it's PIN not PIN Number, it's ATM not ATM Machine, it's LCD not LCD Display, it's DVD not DVD disc... It's no one not noone, It's a lot not alot, It's got not gotten... Panini is the plural of panino - there is no S!!
    (OK my English isn't great, the sciences, maths & IT are my strong points!)
  • Terrylw1
    Hi

    What happens to the people who were on Day and Night rates (10 hours , 20.30 to 06;30 overnight cheaper leccy) and still have the old meters and timers, but are now billed on E7.
    Originally posted by AlanG

    Hi,

    I think this is where people often get confused and their Suppliers don't help in not explaining things properly.

    This is how it works in the elec industry:

    - each region has a list of meters they can fit. Often these meters are available in many regions e.g. common E7 or single rate credit metering are often found with the same manufacturer brand in many regions.

    - however, some regions from prior to privatisation (often referred to as market start up) still have meters from years ago that were individual to their region only

    - under privatisation, ALL Suppliers must have the ability to support any type of meter, no matter what type of region

    - Suppliers have a list of tariffs that should be the equivalent to the type of meter

    The Supplier cannot change the times on the meter timeswitch unless they request an engineer go out to do so. Now, they can't simply change an 8.5hr off peak meter to a 7hr off peak if the manufacturers meter type will not support it. Otherwise, you get a black whole in data between agents and Suppliers and it can prevent you from changing Supplier later.

    So, in your case you still get your full 10 hours at off peak on the meter. Now, the Supplier may have you on say E7, but unless they come out to you and either change the clock times on the timeswitch from 10 to 7 hours (if possible by meter type) or they have to send out an engineer to actually change the whole meter. If they do this, you would change meter and tariff and go onto 7 hours off peak.

    If they don't come out and just accept you in the switch, you continue to have a meter with a timeswitch that will click over and give you 10 hours off peak. These meters are usually 2 rate, which means that all the off peak elec usage goes onto the off peak dial. This doesn't matter whether it's 2, 7, 10 or 18 hours. Your Suppliers gets the readings in and then just bills the off peak dial against the off peak part of your bill. The same applies to the day rate.

    So, to a Supplier it just dosesn't affect how they bill you at all where the tariff has the same number of rate (so, if the meters got 2 dials and your bill is day rate & night rate it bills easly no matter what your off peak hours)

    Does that make sense?
    It's better to live 1 year as a tiger than a lifetime as a worm...but then, whoever heard of a wormskin rug!!!
  • rob16d
    i hate having to deal with all this lol
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