Help with Charity magazine wants paid advertising

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  • bearcat16
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    I get at least 4 calls a day from this and that publication trying to get me to advertise.

    Print advertising is all but dead imo, it!!!8217;s simply too expensive for too little results, that are difficult to measure.
  • lincroft1710
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    How much advertising are you currently carrying?
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  • HappySad
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    How much advertising are you currently carrying?



    Only carry the odd bit of advertising.
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  • PasturesNew
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    edited 3 March 2018 at 6:46PM
    I have done a similar role to that in the past - to have to get advertisers in a magazine. It wasn't my job/role, I was suddenly dragged into doing it when the print shop owner decided to start a new magazine and go in with the local Tourism Board as a shared venture.

    Calling 40 people is not enough. You need to set a target of more like (as a beginner) 20 calls/hour solidly for two weeks .... and still you'll be getting knock backs. They will tell you to call back when the owner is in ... you must diarise that and call back ... when he's still out, so call back ... and back ... and back ... until he says YES, or NO. Then pick yourself up and start again, callbacks, keep going, keep phoning.... without getting down.

    Most will already have set their budgets for the year - they need to know about you so your name is in the hat next year.

    They will want to SEE the magazine to "think about it" and then only to get your name into the hat next year....

    It rarely pays, in the end, it's tough to get advertising to pay for a print run/distribution costs. It's tough....

    There are too many charities calling businesses - most probably get 1-2 calls a day EVERY day for this, that, the other, advertising, donations, etc.

    People don't advertise how they used to. They can't easily measure their magazine advertising.

    Have you made a list of the benefits to them of advertising with you? Are there any benefits? Companies don't advertise "for fun" in the main - a few high profile local companies WILL just put their name in a lot of places because they've been around years .... but even so your name wasn't in the hat for this year's budget.
  • Humdinger1
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    HappySad

    I feel for you - the proposition as it currently stands is going to get you nowhere. Without wanting to rain on your parade, I'm going to outline the problems as I see them and then recommend a few things. Trying to sell print ads by cold calling is going to alienate the supporters you do have - this was the suggested approach back when dinosaurs roamed the earth; cold calling has been getting harder and harder over the last 10 years with many companies refusing to put any such calls through or even inventing fictitious names and even departments to handle such calls where you can never speak to anyone; and there are new laws coming in this May covering GDPR which handles the use of personal data even in business contexts.. I have 30+ years of sales & marketing experience and have been on both sides of the equation. I've also been an event organiser and if you want to solicit donations at an event, you need to contact the show organiser and come to an agreement as if you roam the aisles"briefcasing" (ie soliciting without a stand or any agreement) you'll be escorted out of the show pronto and banned from returning.

    So, what I would do is:

    1. Tot up how many people the charity serves - is it 6000 total or is that just the number that get the mag. That will tell you something about how the mag is perceived and you might well suggest another way of talking to all stakeholders. I think what would be worthwhile is to look at all the channels the charity uses and put together a package that isn't just about print, but also social media etc. If they have no such channels, then they need to start on Monday morning.

    2. Could you put together an event yourself, or even a road show to reach your clients? It could well be better to offer a sponsorship package that includes a stand at such a show, backed up by print advertising and social media messaging to paying sponsors.

    3. Consider who could offer services and products to your clients. Are you in touch with each of them? You could try making connections on LinkedIn - you can search by company name and then try messaging relevant contacts, usually in the marketing dept.

    4. How good is the contact data you have for potential supporters? Is it up to date, with relevant contacts? There's been a swing back to the old-fashioned postal letter as people are very tired of emails and many aren't even read, just caught by spam filters or deleted outright. If the data is old or you have no contact names, then call them or get an agency to do it as letters addressed "to whom it may concern" or with just a title will usually be chucked in the bin.

    5. A complete appraisal of the charity's relationships with its community is indicated. is everyone relevant being reached; and what is the opinion of the clients?

    Sorry HappySad, I don't want to be discouraging - but this is a tough gig you've got and ruthless realism is needed here to have any impact. If I can help with any questions, please let me know.

    Humdinger
  • Keep your emails short. You will have to send a lot and chase till you are dizzy.

    Using Print deadlines normally gets them contacting you.

    Offering proforma invoices or instalments to pay can get a couple of converts as they have time to think and pay and that will boost morale personally and have you keep going.

    My boss always thinks I'm joking but people really do want the nitty gritty stats.

    I wish you had created this thread a couple of months ago! It explains a lot so thank you. I did think this was rather a dead thankless job.
  • Savvy_Sue
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    Offering proforma invoices or instalments to pay can get a couple of converts as they have time to think and pay and that will boost morale personally and have you keep going.
    I'm not sure what you're suggesting here: if it's to send invoices before the company has agreed, this is a huge NOOOOOOoooooo because it smacks of the scams I described earlier.

    If it's offering to invoice businesses rather than just have them send in a cheque, that should be a standard way of proceeding for this kind of thing, and yes if they're not geared up to it then they need to gear up to it.

    Instalments: not sure I'd offer this. It just creates more work, ensuring such payments are up to date and then chasing when they're not.
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  • HappySad
    HappySad Posts: 2,021 Forumite
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    How much advertising are you currently carrying?

    Virtually zero.
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  • lincroft1710
    lincroft1710 Posts: 17,640 Forumite
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    The problem is you need advertisers whose products/services are nationwide and obviously do not clash with your charity's ethics. Do you know the demographic (or likely demographic) of your readership.
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  • Slinky
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    You say 6000 readers, is that the number of printed copies, or say 2000 copies read by 3 people........ There's a huge difference.


    What size is your publication? A4, A5?


    I run a couple of A5 publications. My full page equivalent of a 6000 distribution would be about £150. Your rates are madness, given the difficulty of trying to get anybody to believe that your publication is genuine, with the number of charity mag scams about, I think you're on a hiding to nothing.


    PS. When I started my business many years ago I made over 800 calls to fill my first publication.
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