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    • Bum2018
    • By Bum2018 12th Feb 18, 11:46 PM
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    Hardship on UC
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    • 12th Feb 18, 11:46 PM
    Hardship on UC 12th Feb 18 at 11:46 PM
    Hi.
    I have appointment on friday to fill in hardship claim.
    How soon can i get money ?

    Cheers
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    • WhenIam64
    • By WhenIam64 13th Feb 18, 6:30 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 6:30 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 6:30 AM
    The main information is here

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/661730/adml1.pdf

    You will see your visit may require you to provide additional information so it will depend on how quickly you supply the further information they may need.

    L1031 Initial contact is most likely to be
    1. over the phone to the Contact Centre or
    2. in person at the JCP office.

    Claimants will then normally be required to attend an appointment at their local JCP
    office to provide further information and evidence in support of the application.
    • huckster
    • By huckster 13th Feb 18, 7:11 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 7:11 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 7:11 AM
    So you have a UC claim and you were sanctioned ?

    This is a hardship recovery loan ?

    Not sure they do these face to face in job centres for obvious reasons. I.e safety of staff.

    Normally you have to phone UC service centre and run through the details. If you qualify, you can get the money paid into your Bank Account the same day.

    Why not phone UC and check the process ?
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 13th Feb 18, 7:53 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 7:53 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 7:53 AM
    If the OP has an appointment to fill in a hardship claim form I presume they have already been told what additional information they need. The form will probably have to go to a Decision Maker for a decision on entitlement. Most other benefit advances are decided on the same day so I guess this will be the same. If that is the case the money would be in the bank by midnight that night.
    • huckster
    • By huckster 13th Feb 18, 8:03 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 8:03 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 8:03 AM
    Don't think there is any form as such. It is a DWP advisor asking questions. They check whether the claimant qualifies and if so the payment is agreed.

    Normally payments like this are never handled in job centres. The PCS union is against this for staff safety reasons.

    Local councils have various hardship offerings and they have forms that need to be completed. Perhaps it is a council appointment and not UC ?
    The comments I post are personal opinion. Always refer to official information sources before relying on internet forums. If you have a problem with any organisation, enter into their official complaints process at the earliest opportunity, as sometimes complaints have to be started within a certain time frame.
    • Bum2018
    • By Bum2018 13th Feb 18, 9:50 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 9:50 AM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 9:50 AM
    I phoned service centre but was told I cant get hardship until i reengage with work coach. So she phoned me and I see her on Friday PM and she'll do hardship paperwork.

    Also,i got my last payment on Jan 3rd. Sanction started Jan 5th so I go no payment on February.

    If I get money on say the Friday night,how much will it be ? Is it backdated ?
    Last edited by Bum2018; 13-02-2018 at 11:22 AM.
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 13th Feb 18, 12:33 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 12:33 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 12:33 PM
    You probably won!!!8217;t get the money straight away and also I!!!8217;ve read online you should apply within 15 days of your sanction so your way over that now
    • Sncjw
    • By Sncjw 13th Feb 18, 12:38 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 12:38 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 12:38 PM
    You must be able to prove that you are likely to suffer hardship or you are vulnerable.

    You are in a vulnerable group if, for example:

    You or your partner are pregnant
    You are caring for a severely disabled person
    You are responsible for any dependent children
    You or your partner are aged 16 or 17 and are in hardship
    You or your partner have a chronic health condition or disability
    • Bum2018
    • By Bum2018 13th Feb 18, 1:02 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 1:02 PM
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    • 13th Feb 18, 1:02 PM
    I know all about the hardship times,what I need to show.prove etc...

    I just need to know how long it takes once Ive given the evidence.
    • BorisThomson
    • By BorisThomson 13th Feb 18, 1:41 PM
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    If your application is successful you'll either receive it immediately or on your next normal payment date. You should be given the decision at the end of your interview.
    • Catnip63
    • By Catnip63 13th Feb 18, 9:47 PM
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    At the job centre you will complete a hardship form UC10 that is then looked at by a decision maker, officially they have 24 hours to make that decision. if it's awarded to you the money is paid direct to your bank. When you attend your appt you will need a full bank statement dated that day
    • Bum2018
    • By Bum2018 14th Feb 18, 9:51 AM
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    So because my time is mid afternoon friday its likely I wont get any money until monday ?

    I ususally get 317. How much is hardship?
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 14th Feb 18, 11:03 AM
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    I think this sanctioning of people is absolutely disgusting, it's humiliating enough for those people having to claim benefits.

    Welfare is a service that everyone pays into throughout their life, paying a national insurance stamp for when times are difficult they shouldn't have to jump through hoops like this.

    Not only the person claiming the benefit suffers the bills are unable to be paid putting them at risk of homelessness.
    Originally posted by skcollobcat10
    Not everyone has paid into the system. Regardless, its not a piggy bank. You have to meet criteria to claim the money.

    If you don't meet your obligations, you dont get paid. Kinda like if you dont go to work... you dont get paid? Funny that.
    • WhenIam64
    • By WhenIam64 14th Feb 18, 11:25 AM
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    @Bum2018

    It's in the link at #2. It says

    The only needs the DM takes into account as placing a claimant or their household
    at risk of being unable to meet their immediate basic and essential needs are
    1. accommodation costs (see L1061)
    2. heating costs (see L1066)
    3. food costs (see L1076) or
    4. hygiene needs (see L1081)1
    .
    Note: These are the basic and essential needs. What varies is what an individual
    may require in order for that need to be met, for example, a sick person may need
    more heating as they may have more complex and more expensive needs.
    So you'll know the answer if you jot down the items that you think you'll need for the 4 elements above. They may also ask what you have done / could do to avoid asking for a hardship loan.

    Claimants are expected to investigate potential alternative avenues of support that
    may be available to help themselves and their household1
    . The DM has to consider
    1. what is reasonable in the individual circumstances and
    2. whether claimants have explored alternative support that might be open to
    them
    to help them meet, or partially meet, their household!!!8217;s basic and essential needs.
    Suggest you go prepared to answer both sets of questions.
    • Lioness Twinkletoes
    • By Lioness Twinkletoes 14th Feb 18, 12:58 PM
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    I think this sanctioning of people is absolutely disgusting, it's humiliating enough for those people having to claim benefits.

    Welfare is a service that everyone pays into throughout their life, paying a national insurance stamp for when times are difficult they shouldn't have to jump through hoops like this.

    Not only the person claiming the benefit suffers the bills are unable to be paid putting them at risk of homelessness.
    Originally posted by skcollobcat10
    So how do you suggest the DWP keep people honest? A claimant refuses to engage with the job advisors - we just keep giving them money? Claimant fails to attend their appointment at the DPW - we just keep giving them money? Claimant fails to demonstrate they've looked for work - we just keep giving them money?

    Fail to attend work = no pay. I see no reason why sanctions shouldn't be used but if you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.

    Not everyone pays NI - there are plenty of families that have been unemployed for years and raising children that are equally unemployed and frankly unemployable. Besides which, NI is not a savings pot.
    • skcollobcat10
    • By skcollobcat10 14th Feb 18, 1:11 PM
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    So how do you suggest the DWP keep people honest? A claimant refuses to engage with the job advisors - we just keep giving them money? Claimant fails to attend their appointment at the DPW - we just keep giving them money? Claimant fails to demonstrate they've looked for work - we just keep giving them money?

    Fail to attend work = no pay. I see no reason why sanctions shouldn't be used but if you've got a better idea I'd love to hear it.

    Not everyone pays NI - there are plenty of families that have been unemployed for years and raising children that are equally unemployed and frankly unemployable. Besides which, NI is not a savings pot.
    Originally posted by Lioness Twinkletoes
    I know NI is not a savings pot but how long does CB JSA last? Six months I think and then people are taken off it.

    I am assuming long term unemployed is means-tested JSA and can go on for years, but, why not give them six months, and if they don't tow the line and take responsibility for themselves, they are taken off it too.

    It would cause disruption I know, but people would soon take responsibility for themselves & their families. It seems the way the dwp do it at the moment is very parent like.
    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 14th Feb 18, 1:22 PM
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    I am assuming long term unemployed is means-tested JSA and can go on for years, but, why not give them six months, and if they don't tow the line and take responsibility for themselves, they are taken off it too.

    It would cause disruption I know, but people would soon take responsibility for themselves & their families. It seems the way the dwp do it at the moment is very parent like.
    Originally posted by skcollobcat10
    You've just described a sanction...

    You know, the thing you said was disgusting 2 posts up
    • datec66
    • By datec66 14th Feb 18, 10:10 PM
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    A decision is made the same day normally after applying on both full and live service. Live u attend jc. Prove last 7 days work search and bank balance and show a need for basic essentials. Then a dm will award it and a phone call from service centre normally 1 hour after that. Rhp is 60% of your sanctioned amount on your last ap daily rate. This daily rate is multiplyed by the number of days from when you apply to the day before your next payment due date so around 170ish depending on number of days
    • Bum2018
    • By Bum2018 14th Feb 18, 10:41 PM
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    I wanted to apply a long time ago but was told to wait until reconsideration letter arrived. Then when that arrived i had to wait 5 days to get appointment with work coach as i had to re-engage with her to claim hardship.

    So youre telling me the DWP have even scrwed me out of hardship money?
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