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    • molokoid
    • By molokoid 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
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    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route?
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    • 29th Jun 08, 5:46 PM
    Bulk LPG - Cheapest suppliers / supply route? 29th Jun 08 at 5:46 PM
    Hi all,

    Moved into a house in Jan that has a bulk LPG tank, which was previously supplied (and the tank is owned by) Calor. The contract they were really keen for me to sign was quite a restrictive lock in one and after speaking and a bit of negotiating they dropped the standing charge and discounted the pence per litre by 12%. This only made me sceptical that they had a lot of fat in the price anyway and there seems to be limited information available on the net about bulk lpg supply (lots of websites that will find you the cheapest supply for a fee!). Seems to be crying out for a MSE article if there are enough bulk lpg owners out there.

    Anyway, i read that there is some sort of regulation coming into the market which allows me to choose the supplier i wish and in turn they buy the tank off the previous owners. This seems to be a more market competitive way of doing it, but i can't find out when this is due to happen.

    Are there any bulk lpg owners out there that can give me some advice?

    TIA
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    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 1st May 18, 5:58 PM
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    Mister G
    Another vote for the small independent supplier, if you are lucky enough to have one nearby!
    • Juliandicks
    • By Juliandicks 2nd May 18, 10:31 AM
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    Juliandicks
    Woldlink back on the money with Gas pricing
    Unlike some on the forum I wasn't lucky enough to have signed up to Woldlink's original monthly deal and have seen their price falling whilst mine has been increasing thanks to Flogas very generous price increases over the past 6 months.

    Anyway end of contract spoke to Woldlink as they have always been helpful and seemingly just as frustrated with high pricing structure as me, they came back with an alternative supplier and pricing at a price i thought was very good, so definitely worth giving a chance.

    27 pence per litre fixed for 12 months with a cap of 3p in any 6 month period second year. (Based on 3000 litre per year usage)

    http://www.woldlink.co.uk/bulk-gas-domestic-lpg-pricing/
    • bobmac62
    • By bobmac62 2nd May 18, 12:43 PM
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    bobmac62
    Woldlink pricing for may 2018
    New monthly pricing for May reveals a 1p increase from April to 29.95 ppl +5% VAT.
    • Cheery Daff
    • By Cheery Daff 4th May 18, 7:43 PM
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    Cheery Daff
    Hi all, I've been asked to post a list of the offers I had when looking for a new LPG supplier

    We're in SK postcode area, 2000 litre tank, no idea of estimated usage yet (2 of us in a 3 bed detached house). Used about 40% of the tank in the last 2 (rather cold and quite snowy!) months.

    Calor
    (existing supplier, although we've just moved into the house so we've had no contract with them)
    Initial price: 37ppl + vat for 1 year
    Maximum rise: 'variable' price in second year
    Tank rental: 63 a year
    Contract length: 2 years

    Bywater Gas (local ish)
    Initial price: 39ppl +vat
    Maximum rise: none - no contract
    Tank rental: 66 a year
    Contract length: none (yes, really)

    Woldlink (contract would be with Avanti)
    Initial price: 29.5ppl
    Maximum rise: 3p per 6 months in second year
    Tank rental: 63 a year
    Contract length: 2 years

    We're going for Woldlink - they're sending someone out to check the tank next week.
    Mortgage over payments since Feb 2018 = 558.25
    • bf772
    • By bf772 23rd May 18, 12:28 PM
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    LPG Compare
    I am with flogas and with thanks to LPG compare website they found me the cheapest quote on a two year contract. I got 150 gas free and paid 29p first year then it went up to 36p this year. When contract ends in August I will be in touch with LPG compare as they shop around for you to get you the best deal...all for free!
    • Sugarloaf
    • By Sugarloaf 30th May 18, 1:06 PM
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    Flogas
    Hi all, My last bill from Flogas has gone up to 61.20pp from 37pp. Has anyone else had the same problem? Thanks
    I am a Kitchen Designer!
    • DunDiggin
    • By DunDiggin 31st May 18, 9:19 PM
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    DunDiggin
    FloGas LPG
    Hi

    We're on a metered estate - 16 houses with LPG supplied centrally. Have been with FloGas, but they really hiked prices - latest ask is around 56p a litre. They thought we were tied in contractually, but I found that they had breached their own terms and conditions by not supplying Index values to justify their increases by reference to shifts in the wholesale price of LPG. Their T&Cs published online say they'll quote Platt's Index and they never have.

    Having successfully argued breach of contract we're now switching suppliers. A local supplier is offering 34p a litre with better contract terms.

    Utterly sick of FloGas games - latest of which is to try to hook our neighbours back into contract before we get switched.

    You can do much better.
    • Jes12
    • By Jes12 6th Jun 18, 9:00 AM
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    Jes12
    Hi,
    I too have had major problems with LPG we moved in to our house 15years ago and assumed a lpg tank which we rented we were told we must buy from them which we always have naively without further investigation. It now transpires that rules changed and the lock-in is only 2years so for a number of years we have been paying way over the odds ( last bill was 72p plus VAT) I have now very easily negotiated a fixed 12 month contract at 33p plus vat with a 2nd year that may rise with inflation.
    It was a 5minutes phone call please anyone with LPG check your prices.
    Perhaps Martin could also promote this he is so good on electricity and gas.
    • Sugarloaf
    • By Sugarloaf 6th Jun 18, 12:09 PM
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    Sugarloaf
    Thanks for letting us know. Which supplier did you go with?
    I am a Kitchen Designer!
    • ohspecial1
    • By ohspecial1 15th Jun 18, 8:46 PM
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    ohspecial1
    Bulk lpg
    Have 2 suppliers as i live on the isle of wight
    flogas and calor


    have been given a calor price at 37p plus 20 per quarter



    im hearing horror stories about flogas here but unsure if calor are just as bad
    • bobmac62
    • By bobmac62 4th Jul 18, 9:50 AM
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    bobmac62
    Confirmation from Woldlink that LPG pricing for July shows a slight reduction at 32.63ppl +5% VAT
    • Cottage Economy
    • By Cottage Economy 1st Aug 18, 2:59 PM
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    Cottage Economy
    Just gone to do my usual annual Summer order of oil to be quoted by Boilerjuice a horrific 48.95p/l.

    I don't know whether to buy a minimal 500 litres and get the rest later if it comes down in price or bite the bullet, ring round Lincolnshire and beyond to try and get a few pennies off the whole 2000.

    Disappointing.

    Last year I paid 660 to fill the tank. Now I'm looking at 1030.
    Last edited by Cottage Economy; 01-08-2018 at 3:04 PM.
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    • collectors
    • By collectors 1st Aug 18, 4:18 PM
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    collectors
    Just gone to do my usual annual Summer order of oil to be quoted by Boilerjuice a horrific 48.95p/l.

    I don't know whether to buy a minimal 500 litres and get the rest later if it comes down in price or bite the bullet, ring round Lincolnshire and beyond to try and get a few pennies off the whole 2000.

    Disappointing.

    Last year I paid 660 to fill the tank. Now I'm looking at 1030.
    Originally posted by Cottage Economy
    Strange! The post just before yours says Woldlink is around 32P ???
    • Mister G
    • By Mister G 1st Aug 18, 6:39 PM
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    Mister G
    Just gone to do my usual annual Summer order of oil to be quoted by Boilerjuice a horrific 48.95p/l.

    I don't know whether to buy a minimal 500 litres and get the rest later if it comes down in price or bite the bullet, ring round Lincolnshire and beyond to try and get a few pennies off the whole 2000.

    Disappointing.

    Last year I paid 660 to fill the tank. Now I'm looking at 1030.
    Originally posted by Cottage Economy
    Did you mean to post this under "Cheaper Oil for Fuel" rather than the "Bulk LPG" topic that this thread is about?
    • Trickmeister
    • By Trickmeister 2nd Aug 18, 11:40 AM
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    Biennial Price Hunt
    It's that time of year again, hitting the phones and internet to find alternatives to Calor. I should say that in the last 20 years they have always matched or bettered anything I've been able to find but I don't want them to take me for granted, so.....


    CardiffGas - No contract, monthly pricing, currently 41p, 48pa tank


    Callow Gas - 2 Year contract, monthly pricing, currently 41p, 76.65pa tank


    Woldlink - 2 Year contract, using Avanti, 35.5p for Year 1, price cap of 3p/6 month period for Year 2.


    However, I need some advice on how to read Calor's renewal offer. We currently pay 30ppl and "if you renew your contract your price will not increase before 31st March 2019". So far so good.


    "You will also benefit from 'Our ongoing price promise' - A maximum increase of 2.5ppl to your fixed price in Year 2".


    Now I read that to mean the fixed price ends 31/3/19, and will be subject to increases until the start of Year 2 (1/8/19), but there will be a maximum increase of 2.5ppl through Year 2.


    On seeking clarification, Calor have told me that it means the fixed price ends on 31/3/19. The price will increase by 2.5ppl on 1/4/2019, and will be at a variable rate for the duration of the contract. However, the offer does not say that in any clear fashion at all, and I would argue that my initial interpretation is equally valid.


    Any thoughts anyone?
    • JerryW
    • By JerryW 3rd Aug 18, 7:27 AM
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    JerryW

    Any thoughts anyone?
    Originally posted by Trickmeister
    My thought would be that somewhere in your contract will be a clause enabling Calor to ignore all these caps if the base price of lpg rises sufficiently, and raise the price to you as much as need be.. still, all contracts seem to have them these days
    • Trickmeister
    • By Trickmeister 8th Aug 18, 2:10 PM
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    Trickmeister
    Calor clarified
    Calor have confirmed their renewal offer (notwithstanding any 'exceptional circumstance' clauses)


    Price of 30ppl for renewal confirmed to 31/3/19. Thereafter, and until the end of year 2 a capped increase of 2.6ppl.


    Sounds a good deal to me.
    • Ozzysmate
    • By Ozzysmate 8th Aug 18, 4:17 PM
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    Ozzysmate
    Good sounding deals is what they do best.

    Good luck.
    • Iainip
    • By Iainip 8th Aug 18, 6:36 PM
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    Iainip
    Flogas
    Hi I'm new to the forum, and not very familiar with how forums work so if there's mistakes please let me know. In reply to Sugarloaf I've also had a severe price hike for year 2 of my contract. I've just had a conversation with Flogas my supplier. The bottom line is my gas price was 0.3809ppl in April, and they applied an increase of 15.4p making it 53.49ppl, which was due to me coming out of 1st fixed year of contract, they have now applied a 7.5p increase making it 60.99ppl, a 60% increase on my original price in April. They have no interest in being helpful with the price, this despite the fact that I quoted 2 offers 36.9ppl from Calor and 34ppl from Avanti, the Calor offer capped at 2.5p in year 2. I then asked about a contract termination penalty, to get out of the contract, and was told that there was no option to do that. I have been with them in the various company changes for 30 years, but I won't be staying with them. Does anybody know if there is a governing body that I should complain to. It may be relevant to the pricing, my postcode is KY in Fife, also my quotes were through LPG Compare, very helpful people.
    • JerryW
    • By JerryW 9th Aug 18, 4:27 PM
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    JerryW
    Hi I'm new to the forum, and not very familiar with how forums work so if there's mistakes please let me know. In reply to Sugarloaf I've also had a severe price hike for year 2 of my contract. I've just had a conversation with Flogas my supplier. The bottom line is my gas price was 0.3809ppl in April, and they applied an increase of 15.4p making it 53.49ppl, which was due to me coming out of 1st fixed year of contract, they have now applied a 7.5p increase making it 60.99ppl, a 60% increase on my original price in April. They have no interest in being helpful with the price, this despite the fact that I quoted 2 offers 36.9ppl from Calor and 34ppl from Avanti, the Calor offer capped at 2.5p in year 2. I then asked about a contract termination penalty, to get out of the contract, and was told that there was no option to do that. I have been with them in the various company changes for 30 years, but I won't be staying with them. Does anybody know if there is a governing body that I should complain to. It may be relevant to the pricing, my postcode is KY in Fife, also my quotes were through LPG Compare, very helpful people.
    Originally posted by Iainip
    I think that is just awful.. if someone is going to sting you like that there should be a chance to bail out. LPG is still a very uneven marketplace. I hope "Trickmeister" is reading this!

    And a good question about the regulator.. I'm sure a bit of googling will find out who it is, I vaguely remember a discussion on this thread about it .. all I know is that it is not the standard Energy Ombudsman. There was a flurry of government interest around five years ago, when the OFT reviewed the lpg market .. but I don't know if a regulator/ombudsman was appointed.
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