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  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,721 Forumite
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    I also requested an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner.
    They have sent a copy that has the landowners names/signatures redacted. This is dated in early 2018 whereas the previous copy which was presented during my popla appeal is a different one (still redacted) dated early 2016. Does this make any difference that they've sent 2 different contracts (ie possibly signed by different people/companies) and are they still allowed to redact the details?
    They can do what they like but you can raise this in your Witness Statement and ask them to explain this at the hearing.

    :)

    I say you are missing a few tricks and need to read a few other BW Legal defences, as they have not just added £60, and you don't appear to have attacked ALL the added costs like we recommend, and I didn't see anything about no landowner authority.

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  • System
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    Could we see the contracts?
  • avem1
    avem1 Posts: 43 Forumite
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    Thanks Coupon and Iam

    Heres the 2016 one https://docdro.id/N0DJTgV

    and the 2018 one https://docdro.id/o2yeWM0

    Do these docs constitute landowner authority coupon?
  • Coupon-mad
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    Too late to look now, but bumped to the top, because IamEmanresu tends to do the early shift here!
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  • System
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    The contracts do not give express authority to issue claims in their own name so you'd add another paragraph about the Claimant having no standing to take action in their own name.

    Britannia are not overly aggressive so a decent defence like the one CM has suggested should see this off. So a bit more work should do it.
  • avem1
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    Thanks guys...I'll get back to it
  • Castle
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    avem1 wrote: »
    Thanks Coupon and Iam

    Heres the 2016 one https://docdro.id/N0DJTgV

    and the 2018 one https://docdro.id/o2yeWM0

    Do these docs constitute landowner authority coupon?
    Can you confirm the company registration number listed at the bottom of the 2016 "contract"; it looks like 2389707.
  • avem1
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    Hi Castle, yes the Registered number is as you said 2389707 on the 2016 contract. On the 2018 contract its 08182990.



    Herewith latest defence draft:

    In The County Court
    Claim No: XXXXXXX
    Between
    XXXXX (Claimant)

    -and-

    XXXXXXX (Defendant)

    ____________
    DEFENCE
    ____________

    1. The Defendant was the registered keeper and driver of vehicle registration number XXXXXXX on the material date. The Defendant denies that the Claimant is entitled to relief in the sum claimed, or at all.

    2. The facts of the matter are that there were no visible signs stating the claimants terms from entering the car park area to where the defendant parked.
    On the foot route the defendant made from their parked car to XXXX (shop) and back, there were no signs.
    This is in contravention of The British Parking Association (BPA) Approved Operator Scheme (AoS) section 18.3 under which the claimant is an active member.

    3. The claimant has one sign positioned to the left of a pavement on a private access road prior to entering the main car park area. It is denied that the claimant's sign sets out the terms in a sufficiently clear or visible manner which would be capable of binding any reasonable person reading them. It would also be unsafe to attempt to read this sign whilst negotiating two concurrent roundabouts in a busy traffic and pedestrian area. This sign is positioned so that any passing pedestrians would completely obscure it from view. It is, therefore, denied that the Claimant's sign is capable of creating a legally binding contract.
    This sign is in contravention of the BPA AoS Appendix B.

    4. Due to the sparseness of the particulars, it is unclear as to what legal basis the claim is brought, whether for breach of contract, contractual liability, or trespass. However, it is denied that the Defendant entered into any contractual agreement with the Claimant, whether express, implied, or by conduct.

    5. The Claimant is put to strict proof that it has sufficient proprietary interest in the land, or that it has the necessary authorisation from the landowner to issue parking charge notices, and to pursue payment by means of litigation.

    5.1 The signage states that "Britannia Parking manage and control this car park". Britannia Parking are therefore acting as an agent of the landowner. As an agent, the Claimant has no legal right to bring such a claim in their name. Any claim should be in the name of the landowner.
    Neither the claim form, nor the signage state who the owner of the land is.

    6. The Defendant has the reasonable belief that the Claimant has artificially inflated the claim value by claiming to have paid vague costs (contractual costs) totaling £XX in addition to an alleged £70 debt.
    Previous letters to the defendant from BW Legal have stated that the £XX claimed is for “our client's initial legal costs".
    Legal services cannot be claimed in the small claims court as per CPR 27.14

    6.1 The claim includes a sum of £XX, described as "Legal representative's costs". This work is done as part of the Claimant's Legal Representatives everyday routine and no "expert services" are involved. The Claimant is put to strict proof, by way of timesheets or otherwise, to show how this cost has been incurred.

    6.2 The Defendant puts the Claimant to strict proof that all claimed costs were invoiced and paid. The defendant also asks why they waited nearly 2 years to bring this to court and why they believe their own negligence and delay should earn a Claimant 8% interest, to the imbalance of a consumer's rights and interests

    7. The defendant denies the claim in its entirety voiding any liability to the claimant for all amounts claimed due to the aforementioned reasons. The Court is invited to dismiss the Claim and to allow such defendant's costs as are permissible under Civil Procedure Rule 27.14


    I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true.

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  • Castle
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    avem1 wrote: »
    Hi Castle, yes the Registered number is as you said 2389707 on the 2016 contract. On the 2018 contract its 08182990.
    Registration number 2389707 belongs to a company called "Car Park 2015 Limited"; however the letter is dated 13th January 2016 and on that date (a) the company was in Administration and (b) Mr Parker wasn't a Director.
    https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02389707/filing-history

    I'd suspect that the original agreement dated 2nd February 2009, (as referred to in both the 2016 and 2018 letters), is actually in the name of Car Park 2015 Ltd, which isn't the company who is taking you to court.
  • nosferatu1001
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    ....Meaning you need and MUSt add in this discrepancy to the defence
    It goes directly to NO STANDING to issue a claim.
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