Employer home visit after 4 days sick
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ChrisK..... wrote: »Nope they've given the invalid opinion which under questioning has no rational basis what so ever.
issues can be resolved with the employer after the doctor has deemed it fit for them to return to work at which time they have a return to work review as everybody knows but of course it doesn't suit your argument to acknowledge these routines employment processes. there is no, zero, never any reason for an employer to contact an employee who is suffering from work related stress at home. None zero nada
So someone is off work due to work related stress and in your own example they "feel physically sick" when they even see their workplace"
How will they ever feel well enough to go back to work knowing that nobody has contacted them to understand the issues and make sure any problems are resolved.
If they know nothing has changed and the cause of the stress is still there, why would they want to return?
Having a return to work interview once they return is too late because it gives no time for any changes to be implemented before they start work again.0 -
I haven't had any days off for 3 years, contract states after 28 days of absence in one year a stage 1 meeting will be requested. In fairness they haven't said it's stage one or a formal meeting, just that they wanted to visit me at home to check I was Ok. Having spoken to my Union and ACAS my employer is not supposed to come to my home unless 1 I'm unable to attend a work meeting or 2 I HAVE AGREED to the visit. Both have said after 4 days and a good sickness record a meeting so soon is very unusual/excessive but they would be highly surprised if it was anything other than an attempt to put provision in place and get me back asap.Thank you all for you feedback, much love x0
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But nobody attempted to force a home visit - I suspect they simply suggested that for your convenience! I do not agree though that it is excessive. You have told your employer that something about the workplace is the sole cause of a period of a serious sickness. In case you aren't aware "stress" can kill! In that situation I would be astonished if any employer didn't want to urgently talk to an employee about what had happened and how it is affecting them. "Excessive" would be implementing a sickness absence process after a single short period of sickness which had no direct connection to the workplace. That is not the case here.brilopad1969 wrote: »I haven't had any days off for 3 years, contract states after 28 days of absence in one year a stage 1 meeting will be requested. In fairness they haven't said it's stage one or a formal meeting, just that they wanted to visit me at home to check I was Ok. Having spoken to my Union and ACAS my employer is not supposed to come to my home unless 1 I'm unable to attend a work meeting or 2 I HAVE AGREED to the visit. Both have said after 4 days and a good sickness record a meeting so soon is very unusual/excessive but they would be highly surprised if it was anything other than an attempt to put provision in place and get me back asap.Thank you all for you feedback, much love x0 -
I’ve been off sick with work related stress for six months. My employer ignored me for most of that time except to threaten to discipline me. In few jobs I’ve worked in has any employer ever visited someone after four days of being off with work related stress.
As for the people saying how can the employer sort it. Are you aware that some employers don’t want to sort it and are the cause of the stress in the first case.
Any time I’ve ever had work related stress it’s been my working conditions that’s caused it. Or managers.
And there have been instances where a line manager who directly caused my stress would have been the very last person I would have wanted to see after four days off sick.
Every case is different and it is not something people should be flippant about in my view0 -
Employers don’t need to take any notice of a fit note? That’s the first I’ve heard. Employers can choose to send an employee to occupational health but I have never heard of an employer overruling a fit note.
My gp signed me off as unfit to work. And I wasn’t fit to work.
They can’t force someone back to work when they are unwell.
I had an employer harassing me when I was off sick. Letters. Phone calls. Demanding that I met them.
I was suffering with stress and had a fractured wrist as well. They caused my stress. The demands to meet them caused me more stress and when I did meet them the meeting was hostile. I was not allowed to take a witness (they demanded that. They didn’t recognise unions).
Guess what that meeting caused me? More stress.
Don’t assume the request to meet is supportive. It could be. It might not be.
Certain lines of work have a huge bullying culture. And for me certainly that is the very last time I will do this job (having taken an 8 year break from it)
I get that there are specialised people on here. But much of what has been posted on this thread to date has been nothing more than opinion.
Apart from the people with some knowledge of the subject0 -
People on here seem to think it’s unreasoble for an employer to get updates on their staff whilst they’re not working but still being paid.
I worked with someone previously who was off for a while with stress. Our boss tried to contact her after a month or so. She complained saying “the LAST thing I wanted was to have a chat and being asked when I think I’ll be OK to come back”. Well if you don’t want your employer contacting you, quit your job then.0 -
Who was flippant? You are taking this very personally,no doubt due to your own background.I’ve been off sick with work related stress for six months. My employer ignored me for most of that time except to threaten to discipline me. In few jobs I’ve worked in has any employer ever visited someone after four days of being off with work related stress.
Sometimes employers let an employee trigger the sickness policy, if they fail to return under their own steam.
As for the people saying how can the employer sort it. Are you aware that some employers don’t want to sort it and are the cause of the stress in the first case.
well strangely enough,work related stress generally relates to something relating to the workplace/employer
Any time I’ve ever had work related stress it’s been my working conditions that’s caused it. Or managers.
multiple times?
And there have been instances where a line manager who directly caused my stress would have been the very last person I would have wanted to see after four days off sick.
and what changes after 6 months off?
Every case is different and it is not something people should be flippant about in my view
Rather than relating to a more generalised view.Employers don’t need to take any notice of a fit note? That’s the first I’ve heard.
Maybe first you heard. Think about it. The doctor hears one side of the story. They dont care about the employer/workplace or whatever. They have a patient. Patient says they arent fit for work,cool heres a line.feel you can only do an hour a day? fine heres a fit note
Employers can choose to send an employee to occupational health but I have never heard of an employer overruling a fit note.
As above. An employer doesn't have to accommodate what is on a fit note.
My gp signed me off as unfit to work. And I wasn’t fit to work.
based on what you told the doctor
They can’t force someone back to work when they are unwell.
nope,but they can certainly use sickness policy to their end
I had an employer harassing me when I was off sick. Letters. Phone calls. Demanding that I met them.
You say harassing. again you are focusing on your own circumstances
I was suffering with stress and had a fractured wrist as well. They caused my stress. The demands to meet them caused me more stress and when I did meet them the meeting was hostile. I was not allowed to take a witness (they demanded that. They didn’t recognise unions).
Guess what that meeting caused me? More stress.
Don’t assume the request to meet is supportive. It could be. It might not be.
Certain lines of work have a huge bullying culture. And for me certainly that is the very last time I will do this job (having taken an 8 year break from it)
I get that there are specialised people on here. But much of what has been posted on this thread to date has been nothing more than opinion.
Apart from the people with some knowledge of the subject
I get the sense you arent cut out for whatever sector you work in.0 -
Just because one person has suffered alleged "work related stress" with multiple employers does not correlate to every situation being the same. It doesn't even correlate with the possibility that the employer is responsible for it!
Just because someone thinks a fit note is binding on an employer and "hadn't heard" that it doesn't before doesn't make it binding! Few employers do refuse to accept fit notes - but in law they are perfectly entitled to do so. Nor is it unheard of for doctors to simply write out what they are told without any evidence of fact.0 -
Employers don’t need to take any notice of a fit note? That’s the first I’ve heard. Employers can choose to send an employee to occupational health but I have never heard of an employer overruling a fit note.
My gp signed me off as unfit to work. And I wasn’t fit to work.
They can’t force someone back to work when they are unwell.
I've just completed some HR/management training and was surprised to learn that we can indeed overrule sick notes. It is rare, but if the employer believes the employee is faking it, or has no intention of coming back to work then they can take action.
Of course the risk is it goes to tribunal, and they would decide if on balance the employer acted reasonably.
You would have to be pretty confident in your assertions but it does happen (I've known of a few people that see 'sick leave' as some kind of annual leave entitlement!).0 -
Yes. On the occasions when I have seen it happen, which are rare but given how many members we have I've seem quite a few, it is usually a response to evidence of some other kind. So working whilst off sick, for example. I've even, once, a long time ago, done it myself. People don't read what the doctor's note says. It says that it's advice, not an instruction. That's why, on the other side of the equation, some people continue to work despite advice not to. Although an employer doesn't have to permit that if they know about the fit note.I've just completed some HR/management training and was surprised to learn that we can indeed overrule sick notes. It is rare, but if the employer believes the employee is faking it, or has no intention of coming back to work then they can take action.
Of course the risk is it goes to tribunal, and they would decide if on balance the employer acted reasonably.
You would have to be pretty confident in your assertions but it does happen (I've known of a few people that see 'sick leave' as some kind of annual leave entitlement!).0
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