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    • Exile_geordie
    • By Exile_geordie 14th Mar 14, 9:45 AM
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    Exile_geordie
    It's a trade-off between journey time and price. For a London-Manchester trip, look at Advance fares on Virgin out of Euston (ticketysplit just analyses walk-up fares i.e. ones you could buy on the day at the moment).
    Originally posted by cosmojohnson
    I understand the trade off between time and money and time is an important factor for me.

    If it only does walk on fares then its a pretty poorly designed app as walk on fares are the highest arent they?

    Really shouldnt release something like this until it gets you the best price for all ticket combinations.

    Then again I did notice that it then tells you to buy it trhough the trainline who charge you fees so Im guessing the money they will make from the comission on said click through makes that alright then.

    Not very money saving is it?
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  • MikefromRaileasy

    The routes were:

    London - Macclesfield - 13:00 on Sat 15th
    London - Warrington - 12:20 on Sat 15th
    London - Manchester - 12:40 on Sat 15th
    Originally posted by eshroom
    London to Macclesfield single (splitting at Stoke) 37.60 departing on Sat 26th April at 13:00 at splitticketing.com
    • pablakeman
    • By pablakeman 15th Apr 14, 11:32 AM
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    pablakeman
    Tool seems great! I understand why features like this aren't available yet but being able to search a day, rather than splitting each ticket individually.

    Also on iPad when clicking to try out other times, it just takes you back to homepage so have to re-enter all info etc...
    • pablakeman
    • By pablakeman 15th Apr 14, 11:35 AM
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    pablakeman
    I understand the trade off between time and money and time is an important factor for me.

    If it only does walk on fares then its a pretty poorly designed app as walk on fares are the highest arent they?

    Really shouldnt release something like this until it gets you the best price for all ticket combinations.

    Then again I did notice that it then tells you to buy it trhough the trainline who charge you fees so Im guessing the money they will make from the comission on said click through makes that alright then.

    Not very money saving is it?
    Originally posted by Exile_geordie
    So you are saying that they shouldn't release it until all people can benefit, rather than some? How about instead they don't release anything, and you can keep spending extra money? This is a free service!!

    Also if you use your head - walk-on services are more expensive, so before this new one became available I used to search my journey next-day walk-on, and then try this same combination to look for advance fares on the date I wanted. Unsurprisingly, this saved me a lot of money!!
  • katelee
    2 together railcard
    Whilst it lets you choose this option for tickets nowhere can you add more travelers - which is odd as this railcard will only let 2 travel!

    It was cheaper to work out the tickets for myself than via this single only option for one person!
  • calshotjohn
    Day Returns needed!
    I've booked a day return journey in August (Shrewsbury to Oxford).
    I used the old ticketysplit's guidance to buy a Shrewsbury-Leamington Spa cheap day return, plus singles Leamington-Oxford.
    That option doesn't seem to appear on the new web tool.
  • Selbyjay
    Firstly, i want to say that i love MSE. The advise has been invaluable over the years and receiving the weekly newsletters keeps me focused on being cost efficient.

    However...whilst i like the principal of this tool, it's really not good enough to be able to return the best option for the journey requested. Being a rail travel agent, i get asked about split tickets by my clients all the time and they are a great way to save money, but you really need to know what you're doing when booking and travelling with split tickets. It's not easy.

    I just had a play about with the tool to quote a journey from Ebbsfleet International to Warrington Bank Quay. It split at the right point (London) but the suggested times allowed just 1 minute to get from St Pancras to Euston. Someone with less knowledge would try the connections suggested by the tool and would definitely miss their (fixed, non-refundable) connection to Warrington. << insert strongly worded complaint letter to MSE >>. The tool also didnt include the tube pass to get from St Pancras to Euston, which would be at an additional cost.

    Equally, on Virgin Trains (most London routes, not all), if you buy 2 singles on the same transaction, you get the return single with a 50% discount. This was completely missed by the tool as you can only search in single trips.

    At best, this tool saved about 7 (after factoring the cost of having to buy the extra tube ticket) and i would have had a fixed time return, rather than the flexibility of the off-peak return.

    On the whole, i like the idea and i'll certainly use it to test my own knowledge, but you've still got some way to go to cover all of the connotations available.
    • addie1uk
    • By addie1uk 31st Jul 14, 12:06 AM
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    addie1uk
    Tickettysplit
    Just worked on Scarborough to Sheffield...Originally 40 - split to 33.60 by splitting at Malton.
    However by manually splitting at York - I got a 17.30 quote! A big difference - HUGE!!
    • daviduk1976
    • By daviduk1976 4th Aug 14, 1:57 AM
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    daviduk1976
    Just to throw this is in....I work for the railways and we can have a discount on the full open ticket cost.....even I split tickets too! I save upto 20 on a London - Manchester journey...pure madness! (I always book in advance though still cheaper than my so called discount!
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    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 4th Aug 14, 4:54 PM
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    yorkie2
    Just to throw this is in....I work for the railways and we can have a discount on the full open ticket cost.....even I split tickets too! I save upto 20 on a London - Manchester journey...pure madness! (I always book in advance though still cheaper than my so called discount!
    Originally posted by daviduk1976
    You should be able to get discounted Off Peak fares from September.

    As for London-Manchester, you can save even more at peak times by purchasing a Stockport-Manchester Season (for you that'd have to be at the public rate) and a string of Anytime Day Returns, "splitting" at stations where the Virgin Trains service does not call. Providing you have one season and the others are non seasons, it's legit.
    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 4th Aug 14, 4:56 PM
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    yorkie2
    Just worked on Scarborough to Sheffield...Originally 40 - split to 33.60 by splitting at Malton.
    However by manually splitting at York - I got a 17.30 quote! A big difference - HUGE!!
    Originally posted by addie1uk
    There is a booking site that works out the best split, it's a lot better than the MSE app, but I'm not allowed to provide a link to it on the forum.
    • monyjoey
    • By monyjoey 27th Aug 14, 1:33 PM
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    monyjoey
    First time user
    This looks like a good and much-needed tool, but my first enquiry did not yield what I expected. Using origin/destination LTT MIA, travel date 02/10/2014 departing 8.47am, the quote for the standard fare is 21.30 (for an arrival time of 11.10am). The app fails to find a better split fare. However, through trial and error, I get a fare of 8.70 if I break the fare at HDG (per the trainline.co.uk or virgintrains.co.uk) for an arrival time of 11.17.
    Maybe I am not comparing like with like?
    PS. checking again, I have to deliberately route through MCO rather than MAN to make this work hence the different arrival time.
    Last edited by monyjoey; 27-08-2014 at 1:48 PM. Reason: checking my facts
    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 27th Aug 14, 9:15 PM
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    yorkie2
    Yes you are making a slower journey with that combination.


    Trainsplit offers a split at Newton le willows.


    Booking engines tend to show the faster journeys only.


    By the way are you enjoying your cheap fares to burscough junction?
    • monyjoey
    • By monyjoey 28th Aug 14, 11:22 AM
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    monyjoey
    Yes, I'm daft really...2.5 hours for a trip that would take no more than an hour by road.

    Not sure about Burscough Junction...I'm south of the Mersey.
    • yorkie2
    • By yorkie2 28th Aug 14, 8:52 PM
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    yorkie2
    Not sure about Burscough Junction...I'm south of the Mersey.
    Originally posted by monyjoey
    Yes but even if you don't cross the Mersey it's still much cheaper than the intermediate fares!


    (Even if you're only going to Hooton! )
    Last edited by yorkie2; 28-08-2014 at 8:54 PM.
    • Lugh_Chronain
    • By Lugh_Chronain 26th Sep 14, 1:22 AM
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    Lugh_Chronain
    I checked Oxford to Warrington Bank Quay on the TicketySplit tool which came up as follows:

    Oxford to Banbury Dept 13:36 - Arr 13:53 for 4.60

    Change at Banbury, train departs for WBQ at 13:54 arriving 16:26, ticket costs 29.10. 33.70 altogether if travelling on 25th October. Though bearing in mind that this is for a single journey.

    However, I double checked this on National Rail Enquiries and see you can get a train to Banbury from Oxford at 13:07 instead, arriving 13:23. This option would give you more time to change, approx 30mins or so, plus it would also save you an extra quid as it only costs 3.60.

    Still, I suppose it's always best to double check National Rail Enquiries in the meantime just in case there are better deals that have been missed on TicketySplit.

    Good tool nonetheless as at least it pulls up alternative roots for cheaper prices. This is of course handier than having to search ages for an alternative.
    Last edited by Lugh_Chronain; 26-09-2014 at 1:27 AM.
  • RPK
    Going even further
    Are you aware of another anomaly in thr great train ticket pricing fiasco. It can be cheaper to buy a ticket for a longer journey. For example,
    Bristol to Newcastle single 144.70
    Bristol to Alnmouth single, same train, 30 miles further up the line, 70.20. Less than half price.
    A friend recently bought a return Eurostar ticket as a through ticket from regional station (Bristol) and it was cheaper than the return fare from Bristol to London Paddington at the same time. From Bristol you have to change at London Paddington for Eurostar. So its cheaper to buy a ticket to Belgium than our own capital!
    RPK
    • wealdroam
    • By wealdroam 26th Sep 14, 9:07 AM
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    wealdroam
    Are you aware of another anomaly in thr great train ticket pricing fiasco. It can be cheaper to buy a ticket for a longer journey. For example,
    Bristol to Newcastle single 144.70
    Bristol to Alnmouth single, same train, 30 miles further up the line, 70.20. Less than half price.
    Originally posted by RPK
    That 144.70 is in fact the price of an Off Peak Return ticket from Bristol Temple Meads to Newcastle... not a single as you stated.
    An Off Peak Single is 143.70.
    Similar tickets to Alnmouth are 145.30 and 146.30 respectively.

    That 70.20 ticket you mention is an Advance Single.
    Note that it is possible to buy Advance Singles from Bristol TM to Newcastle at exactly the same price. That of course depends on your exact date and time of travel.

    Remember that Advance Singles are only valid on the booked train.
    By opting for the cheaper price of an Advance Single ticket, you are sacrificing the flexibility offered by an Off Peak Single/Return.

    So not only is your post factually incorrect, but you are not comparing similar products.

    You also need to be aware that 'stopping short' on an Advance Single ticket is not allowed. So in your example, to buy an Advance Single to Alnmouth and alighting at Newcastle is, at best, a risky strategy.
    Last edited by wealdroam; 26-09-2014 at 10:55 AM. Reason: Add last paragraph.
    • Jeff Bridges hair
    • By Jeff Bridges hair 26th Sep 14, 12:14 PM
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    Jeff Bridges hair
    You also need to be aware that 'stopping short' on an Advance Single ticket is not allowed. So in your example, to buy an Advance Single to Alnmouth and alighting at Newcastle is, at best, a risky strategy.
    Originally posted by wealdroam
    Indeed and with barriers at Newcastle you will get caught. Though I seem to remember a case where East coast dropped the extra charge made on someone who was stopping short but I think thats because the press were all over it. Not really heard of them doing so at other times though.
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  • MozartsForge
    Nuneaton to Norwich
    I tested with Nuneaton to Norwich depart 0952 single 34.50 change at Peterborough.

    It is cheaper to buy Nuneaton to Peterborough 9.30 then Peterborough to Norwich 12.00

    TicketySplit came up with Nuneaton to Stamford 9.30
    Stamford to Norwich but change at Peterborough 23.20.

    I have done this journey many times with tickets bought through the trainline.com. When tickets are purchased at Norwich ticket office they don't like it.
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