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    • kah22
    • By kah22 22nd Aug 19, 7:13 AM
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    71 and trying to loose weight
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    • 22nd Aug 19, 7:13 AM
    71 and trying to loose weight 22nd Aug 19 at 7:13 AM
    As the title says Iím male 71 and trying to loose weight.

    On the 14 July I weighed 14 st 11 lbs, this morning I weighed 14 st 10 lbs The weight has hovered between 14. 11 and 14.7 over that period of time

    Perhaps Iím trying to fool myself but I do think the weight has shifted eg my trousers have dropped a size and a few friends have suggested Iím thinner in the face. Is it fat turning into mussel ? Perhaps

    Iím doing a 16:8 diet and sticking pretty well to it and Iím now in the situation that I really only want one good meal in the day. I donít drink, Iíve cut out the majority of bread that I eat and as a non driver Iím inclined to do a hell of a lot of walking. However, I must confess to a sweet tooth and every so often I break down !

    Why is the weight not shifting? Could it be age related. Perhaps itís possible Iím just trying to fool myself !

    Anyway: comments, tips, suggestions are all welcome. For my build my target weight is 12 st 7lb
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 22nd Aug 19, 7:21 AM
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    You might need to try other exercise than walking; walking at a normal pace, however much you do, isn't going to shift weight.
    Nor is fat going to turn into muscle of its own accord, without some sort of helping hand.
    Could it be to do with your portion size - what does your one good meal involve?
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    • MoneySeeker1
    • By MoneySeeker1 22nd Aug 19, 7:27 AM
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    I've found it harder to lose weight than when I previously did much the same diet and there may be an element of age in it.

    It may also be the fact that muscle apparently weighs more than fat.

    In my case though I would say probably the main reason why weight loss is slower than previously is because I am leading a "slower" lifestyle than previously and it's not down to age per se. Previously, I was doing a noticeable amount of walking. That was walking to work, from work, around the place at work, etc. I was also living in a city and now I'm living in a small town with poor public transport.

    Living in a city does mean walking a lot more imo. Walking to this shop, that shop, that social activity, another social activity and so on.

    THE two things impacting my weight are not my age at all. They are living in a small town (rather than a city) and that means I'm not doing nearly as much walking to "everywhere", because there just aren't so many places to walk to (fewer shops, fewer social activities, etc). Add that I'm not doing all the walking involved in having a job anymore (because I'm now retired and so don't have to do that and don't have to go out the door of a morning unless I choose to).

    That is THE difference to me. The change in lifestyle and not the change in age. It may well be the same for you.
    • MoneySeeker1
    • By MoneySeeker1 22nd Aug 19, 7:37 AM
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    The other thing I would say is weight loss and size loss don't necessarily seem to match fully. They do to a large extent, but I also check out how things are going by trying on clothes that I am slimming back into at intervals and they gradually are fitting better and better and I can sometimes find that an item fits me again when I've lost little (if any) weight on the scales since last time I tried it on.

    For instance, I think the scales have only registered about 2lb weight loss over the last few weeks, but my stomach and abdomen are definitely noticeably nearer flat again, I can feel my collarbones clearly again. As I am standard width footwear then there were several pairs of shoes I couldn't wear at my heaviest. They've been fitting me again for a while now and now they are starting to go from "wearable" to "roomy".
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 22nd Aug 19, 7:57 AM
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    Break up your 16:8 with two 800 cal fasts each week for a period.

    Michael Mosley's web site gives loads of advice.
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    • By MoneySeeker1 22nd Aug 19, 8:39 AM
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    Another thought I'd drop into the equation is just how often people "comfort eat" or "comfort drink (alcohol)" and chances are that you do it too.

    I know I have to remind myself every time Life is playing up on me (whether it's a small thing of a b*tchy comment from someone that should know better) to something Bigger and the temptation is instantly there to console myself for "what just happened that shouldn't have" and head for something calorific to do so. I have to remind myself "A lot of other people do that and that is one of the reasons most people these days are plump or worse", followed by "Am I going to let a b*tch or Life upset me and make my figure worse? Of course I'm not and they won't be allowed to have that effect on me".

    That takes willpower to not let other people and/or Life affect you and that will be one of the times I might well have a clothes try-on session to remind myself "I'm on my way to looking better than that b*tch and I'm not going to let her slow me down by making me comfort eat/drink".
    • mal4mac
    • By mal4mac 22nd Aug 19, 9:11 AM
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    You're still eating too much! What's "one good meal"? Is it a good "weight watchers" meal, or pie and chips? If the latter then replace the latter with the former.
    • kah22
    • By kah22 22nd Aug 19, 6:59 PM
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    Members have made some very interesting points, Iíll try and address some of them

    I cook the majority of my own food, the most of which is non processed, and as such I know what Iím eating, but I will put my hand up on to a certain amount of comfort eating and with the weather weíve been having lately that has increased a little (note to self,, watch comfort eating !)

    Exercise, as a non driver I walk almost everywhere, I have a large garden, a little under a quarter of an acre, and I can assure you thatís exercise !

    Whatís a good meal? Yes that is an interesting question and I have to admit while the meal on the plate maybe healthy, the amount may not. My assumption was Iím doing a 16:8 diet, therefore, I should be OK ! Thatís something Iíll have to look closely at.

    Weight watchers meal No, pie and chips NO WAY !

    I do like the idea of a restriction diet, two, 800 days. Thatís doable, certainly in the medium term.

    At the end of the day: calories in greater than calories out equals weight gain.
    Calories out greater than calories in equals weight loss. The battle needs stepped up a gear

    Thanks to all for their comments to date

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    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 23rd Aug 19, 12:24 AM
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    Why does a lb of fat weigh more than a lb of muscle?
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    • LadyDee
    • By LadyDee 23rd Aug 19, 4:52 PM
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    Use a smaller plate so therefore smaller portions, i.e. two potatoes instead of three. Extra vegetables instead of puddings or fresh fruit for a dessert. Cut out biscuits, crisps and alcohol, eat your main meal at lunchtime, and a small supper at about 5 p.m. Don't faff about with special diets and calorie counting. Walk an extra mile at a brisk pace each day. You'll soon lose the extra weight - that is of course if there isn't a medical reason for being a bit overweight.
    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 24th Aug 19, 6:46 AM
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    TBH I don't think the 16:8 is productive to weight loss

    Ive always done 16:8, only it didn't have a fancy name, it is just how Ive always eaten, and Im still over weight

    Ive lost 15lb in 9 weeks by going to weight watchers and upping my exercise. I had become very complacent about exercise as I now have an extremely physical job - on my feet for 10 hours, lifting and carrying 20kg weights about all day. When I fist started it, weight dropped off, then as my body got used to that, it crept back on again. So now I walk, very briskly, 5 miles a night, 4 nights a week - at least. I also do steps and hula hoops at home

    I like Weight Watchers. You don't have to buy their products, there's no special foods to buy, everything you eat or drink is given a point value and all you have to do is keep to your daily point allowance and you will lose weight

    Their point system is based on the Calories, saturated fat, sugar and protein content. So a slice of bread is high in points, but chicken, turkey, fish have zero points so it makes sense to fill up on the zero point foods ( of which there are hundreds ) and use the high point foods sparingly. So you are pushed into making the healthy choices without going hungry or missing out on anything. I still eat all my favourite meals, I don't have to cook separately for me, the rest of the family don't suffer or miss out


    I agree with LadyDee about the small plate. I use a salad plate and its hard to overload it once the veggies are on. And actually that's how I plate mine up, veggies first, protein second, carbs last - it works
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    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 24th Aug 19, 7:44 AM
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    I am 68. Struggled for years. I tried 16 :8 but didnt lose an ounce. Eventually joined WW and have lost almost 3 stones. It has been slow, steady and consistent.

    Like Suki says.....just eat normal proper food, stick to your allocated point allowance and you will lose weight. No need for special diet foods or anything faddy.

    I have a dodgy knee so long or speed walks aren't an option for me. But just generally being more active.

    I feel fitter and healthier than I have done for years.

    Age is no barrier to weight loss.
    • lessonlearned
    • By lessonlearned 24th Aug 19, 8:17 AM
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    Why does a lb of fat weigh more than a lb of muscle?
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    My understanding is it doesn't....it's like that old trick maths question which weighs heaviest, 1lb of feathers or a 1lb of lead.

    The answer of course is they both WEIGH the same. 1lb weight is a lb weight whatever it is made of.

    I think the confusion arises because muscle itself is denser and therefore more heavy than fat. You need less muscle to make up 1lb than you do fat. Just as a small amount of lead weighs lb and you would need a bag of feathers to make up 1lb.

    You can get athletes, especially Rugby players, who would read as being obese if you only went by the height/weight charts but of course they are not fat at all, just very muscular. It's the composition of body fat that counts, especially visceral fat (the fat that clings to our internal organs) and which can't always be seen.

    It's the visceral fat that is the most dangerous and which can lead to health complications such as diabetes, heart disease and fatty liver. Even skinny Minnie's can have high levels of visceral fat.

    The good news is, if you build muscle then your body becomes more efficient at burning off fat.
    Last edited by lessonlearned; 24-08-2019 at 8:20 AM.
    • pollypenny
    • By pollypenny 24th Aug 19, 8:51 AM
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    16:8 is more suitable for weight maintenance, OP. We started IF in April 2016, me on 500 cals and OH on 600 twice a week. We found that lunch and dinner worked best for us.

    By September I'd lost 2st and himself 3st. We just continued with the eating pattern, not giving it a name, and we've maintained since then. If we have the occasional over-indulgence a fast day or two soon sorts us out.

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    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 27th Aug 19, 7:42 AM
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    Fat can’t turn into muscle. Fat will always be fat and muscle will always be muscle.

    You can lose the fat and improve the tone of your muscle though.

    Unfortunately as you get older your body requires less calories and it is often more difficult to lose weight. I find cutting out carbs helps me a lot and that also controls my blood glucose, important as I am diabetic
    • Fire Fox
    • By Fire Fox 27th Aug 19, 5:28 PM
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    As the title says I’m male 71 and trying to loose weight.

    On the 14 July I weighed 14 st 11 lbs, this morning I weighed 14 st 10 lbs The weight has hovered between 14. 11 and 14.7 over that period of time

    Perhaps I’m trying to fool myself but I do think the weight has shifted eg my trousers have dropped a size and a few friends have suggested I’m thinner in the face. Is it fat turning into mussel ? Perhaps

    I’m doing a 16:8 diet and sticking pretty well to it and I’m now in the situation that I really only want one good meal in the day. I don’t drink, I’ve cut out the majority of bread that I eat and as a non driver I’m inclined to do a hell of a lot of walking. However, I must confess to a sweet tooth and every so often I break down !

    Why is the weight not shifting? Could it be age related. Perhaps it’s possible I’m just trying to fool myself !

    Anyway: comments, tips, suggestions are all welcome. For my build my target weight is 12 st 7lb
    Originally posted by kah22
    I studied/ worked in lifestyle healthcare for many years but am no longer practicing. I try to keep up-to-date with current UK guidelines.

    Measuring your waist circumference is a great way for any man to monitor the likely health impact of any fat loss. Be consistent by always measuring at the belly button.

    Are you keeping a detailed food diary or log, with weighed and measured quantities? Which specific time restricted eating (TRE) protocol are you supposed to be following?

    As you may be aware, the average UK diet is poorly balanced, not properly varied, way off on portion sizes, and deficient in one or more micronutrients (minerals/ vitamins/ essential fatty acids/ antioxidants). Healthcare professionals are little better than the general public BTW.

    From this foundation a restrictive weight loss or diet protocol is a recipe for disaster. You cannot get all the nutrients you need for health in one 'normal' meal a day.

    Agree with the earlier comment: the books by Dr Michael Mosley/ Dr Clare Bailey (UK husband and wife team) are well worth reading. They emphasise loading up on a really wide variety of nutrient dense wholefoods; lower carb, moderate fat and protein; not simply calorie counting or TRE.

    How/ when/ where are you eating comfort food, bread, sugary things? Are they in your kitchen cupboards, from a shop on your regular walking route, is a friend or relative sabotaging your plans?

    Walking and gardening are fantastic lifestyle physical activity, working every muscle and getting you out in the daylight. They are not classed as formal exercise, and nor do they need to be! Gardening could be the hobby that helps you live to 100. Do you grow some of your own food, as well as cook from scratch?

    Assuming that your heart, circulation and lungs are healthy once you are thoroughly warmed up - ten minutes - include some power/ speed walking or hills/ inclines in your walks without slowing your pace. Brief bursts are fine, count your paces or to the next lamppost, say.

    Fat cannot turn into muscle - sorry - nor will you gain muscle unless you significantly alter the type or intensity or duration of (usually) formal exercise or sports that you do. However your long-term commitment to walking and to gardening is highly likely to have maintained your muscle mass. You have the body of a younger man.
    Last edited by Fire Fox; 27-08-2019 at 5:32 PM.
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