Business post to garage instead of house

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  • Silvertabby
    Silvertabby Posts: 9,011 Forumite
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    Personal Mail:

    Mr Blogs
    1 Acacia Avenue
    Etc


    Business Mail:

    XXX Ltd
    1 Acacia Avenue
    Etc

    Everything comes through the same (home) letterbox - but is easily sorted.

    Or am I missing something here?
  • Kpros
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    Silvertabby wrote: »
    Personal Mail:

    Mr Blogs
    1 Acacia Avenue
    Etc


    Business Mail:

    XXX Ltd
    1 Acacia Avenue
    Etc

    Everything comes through the same (home) letterbox - but is easily sorted.

    Or am I missing something here?

    Hi Silver, Yes you have missed the point... I am basically trying to separate my personal and business life! I'm not sure why people are struggling to grasp this! My business consumes a heck of a lot of my time and regularly comes between me and my partner so I've made a number of pledges to her which all stem around switching off from work when I get home. To enable me to do that I complete all admin in my garage/office before coming in my house and thus I was just wondering if there was a way in which the business post could also go into the garage/office rather than directly through my actual property.
  • Silvertabby
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    edited 11 July 2018 at 2:39PM
    Kpros wrote: »
    Hi Silver, Yes you have missed the point... I am basically trying to separate my personal and business life! I'm not sure why people are struggling to grasp this! My business consumes a heck of a lot of my time and regularly comes between me and my partner so I've made a number of pledges to her which all stem around switching off from work when I get home. To enable me to do that I complete all admin in my garage/office before coming in my house and thus I was just wondering if there was a way in which the business post could also go into the garage/office rather than directly through my actual property.


    Then the choice is yours - register your garage as separate property No 1A Acacia Avenue, with all the costs that would involve, or just buy two mail trays for the hall table - one for personal, one for business. First one home sorts the mail and chucks the business tray into the garage.

    To be honest, even if you did go down the separate premises route, I bet that the postie will get your mail jumbled and put personal mail into the garage premises and business mail into your home letter box.
  • Pennywise
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    Kpros wrote: »
    00ec25 - so you're essentially saying that anybody who opts for a PO Box is being deceptive? That's a very narrow-minded view in my opinion as well as being completely inaccurate and you are stereotyping a LOT of businesses with this statement. Some very big companies too, some of which work under for example the ministry of justice.

    Maybe, but their "real" address is also available as required by the various statutes. In the case of big organisations, it's more for admin purposes rather than trying to hide their true business address. When a private individual does it, it's usually to hide their home address, hence the suspicion of deception.
  • Kpros
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    Pennywise wrote: »
    Maybe, but their "real" address is also available as required by the various statutes. In the case of big organisations, it's more for admin purposes rather than trying to hide their true business address. When a private individual does it, it's usually to hide their home address, hence the suspicion of deception.

    Hi Pennywise, this statement was made without him having any of the facts or circumstances. The reason for my PO Box has absolutely nothing to do with deception and my real address is also available.
  • Kpros
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    Silvertabby wrote: »
    Then the choice is yours - register your garage as separate property No 1A Acacia Avenue, with all the costs that would involve, or just buy two mail trays for the hall table - one for personal, one for business. First one home sorts the mail and chucks the business tray into the garage.

    To be honest, even if you did go down the separate premises route, I bet that the postie will get your mail jumbled and put personal mail into the garage premises and business mail into your home letter box.

    Hi Silver, Yes, you're probably right with the latter. I will probably leave it as status quo. I'm just trying to make steps to differentiate the business and my personal life, that's all. Thanks for your advice.
  • CIS
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    You are essentially stating that by entering my garage with my work mobile phone and work laptop and engaging with any customers or doing any form of work I am in breach of (I will copy and paste your wonderful list):

    - breach of planning permission?
    - breach of covenant?
    - breach of insurance?
    - breach of council tax?
    - tax evasion re CGT?

    Depending on the specific level of usage of the garage it may affect the council tax banding in that the use of the garage may need to be looked at for business rates and be separated from the council tax band assigned to the house.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a specialist Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
  • 00ec25
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    edited 11 July 2018 at 7:23PM
    Kpros wrote: »
    Hi Pennywise, this statement was made without him having any of the facts or circumstances. The reason for my PO Box has absolutely nothing to do with deception and my real address is also available.
    the statement was made because you created the impression of having an unexplained desire to be invisible: "I do not want to go down the lines of having it officially registered"
    If you cannot understand that impression then I refer you to words 7-10 of the last sentence in your reply to me
    as i asked: sole trader or Ltd co. One legally has to provide a real address, one does not. But the consumer is perfectly within their right to wonder why such effort was made not to provide a real address.

    as for my list of implications to consider:
    https://www.gov.uk/run-business-from-home

    - breach of planning permission?
    "Sometimes permitted development rights have been removed from some properties with regard to garage conversions and therefore you should contact your local planning authority before proceeding, particularly if you live on a new housing development or in a conservation area." https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/common_projects/25/garage_conversion

    - breach of covenant?
    "The first thing you need to find out is if there are any legal restrictions, or restrictive covenants, on running a business from your home. These covenants may prohibit certain uses of your home."
    https://www.simplybusiness.co.uk/knowledge/articles/2018/01/do-i-need-permission-to-run-a-business-from-home/

    - breach of insurance?
    https://www.moneysupermarket.com/money-made-easy/are-you-covered-to-work-from-home/

    - breach of council tax?
    covered by CIS in the post above

    - tax evasion re CGT?
    Please note that using a part of your property exclusively for business purposes can restrict certain Capital Gains Tax reliefs so it is worthwhile ensuring that a home office has an alternative domestic purpose outside of working hours. Therefore, furniture, fixtures and fittings along with any refurbishment costs are not recommended to be claimed through the business.
    https://support.sherwincurrid.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/172
  • aife
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    Buy your wife a uniform and get her to sort out the post and bring it to you
  • bazzyb
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    Kpros wrote: »
    so you're essentially saying that anybody who opts for a PO Box is being deceptive? ... Some very big companies too, some of which work under for example the ministry of justice.

    This is usually for a specific purpose, i.e. used in conjunction with Selectapost to pre-sort mail to individual departments where a business receives extremely high volumes of mail. Personally, when I see small/medium businesses who use a PO box address instead of a physical address it does put me off a little as it appears like they are trying to disguise their address for some reason - this is not intended as something personal against you but merely offering my point of view.

    In practical terms if your mail is delivered to the house where you live and you instead want it in your garage next door where you work, why not simply pick the pile of mail up when you are in the house and carry it through to the garage? Sometimes the simplest solutions are the best ones!
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