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    • facade
    • By facade 21st Apr 17, 5:24 PM
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    facade
    If you give up your job, and sponge off relatives, so as to have zero income, the court assumes £120 a week.

    Which would give a cheaper fine than the fixed penalty ticket, so they add a victim surcharge and costs
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • I have spoken
    • By I have spoken 22nd Apr 17, 5:23 AM
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    I have spoken
    Just another tax on the motorist. Disgusting
    • roddydogs
    • By roddydogs 22nd Apr 17, 6:58 AM
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    Correction, motorists that legally register their car & can be traced.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 22nd Apr 17, 7:36 AM
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    Car 54
    Correction, motorists that legally register their car & can be traced.
    Originally posted by roddydogs
    Correction, motorists who break the law.
    • chucknorris
    • By chucknorris 22nd Apr 17, 8:05 AM
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    I was thinking that a speeding fine would be fixed at about £80, not £2k (even for a minor infraction), that is certainly going to make me much more careful, so it will work (hopefully) on me.
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    • Johno100
    • By Johno100 22nd Apr 17, 9:48 AM
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    I was thinking that a speeding fine would be fixed at about £80, not £2k (even for a minor infraction), that is certainly going to make me much more careful, so it will work (hopefully) on me.
    Originally posted by chucknorris
    No it's not £2k for a minor infraction.



    These increased income based penalties will only apply to those who are summoned to court, so those figures or above on the right of the table. Everyone else, assuming they are willing to accept their guilt, will receive the standard fixed penalty of £100 and 3pts or maybe the offer of a Speed Awareness Course.
    • HornetSaver
    • By HornetSaver 23rd Apr 17, 2:41 PM
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    Just another tax on the motorist. Disgusting
    Originally posted by I have spoken
    No, it's a tax on criminals. Who are disgusting.
    I'm standing by my pre-referendum prediction: "Brexit will lead to a recession"

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    • maxmycardagain
    • By maxmycardagain 23rd Apr 17, 3:16 PM
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    Possibly the MOST ignored speed limit in the UK is the 60mph limit on dual carriageways for vehicles over 2tonnes GVW and not- "car derived"...

    Nemo 70mph
    Doblo 60mph
    ALL proper transits. sprinters, etc...60mph
    Dont worry, be happy
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 23rd Apr 17, 3:46 PM
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    Just another tax on the motorist. Disgusting
    Originally posted by I have spoken
    I'd vote for a lot more taxes on criminals who can afford to pay.

    The only reason society needs a police force is because there are criminals who break the law. What fairer way than to tax criminals to pay for their policing? It's a win-win.
    • JohnRo
    • By JohnRo 23rd Apr 17, 11:28 PM
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    The sooner we have reliable driverless technology the better. I imagine a few traffic cops might have objections though.
    'We don't need to be smarter than the rest; we need to be more disciplined than the rest.' - WB
    • deaston
    • By deaston 24th Apr 17, 8:43 AM
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    Speed on it's own rarely causes accidents and it's not even the cause in the majority of accidents that involve death. Police have more worthwhile things to do than enforce stupid speed restrictions.
    Originally posted by phillw
    Do you have a link to the evidence for your statement? I'd be interested to read it as I think speed is a big factor in accidents.

    Speed limits factor in road conditions, visibility etc. Not to mention noise pollution for residents and the safety of the public.

    By speeding, you're saying that you know better and you getting home earlier is far more important than anyone else's safety or wellbeing. I live in a 30 zone but people regularly go past at 40+ and quite often at speeds that must be close to 60. It makes road noise much more intrusive.
    Last edited by deaston; 24-04-2017 at 8:46 AM.
    • deaston
    • By deaston 24th Apr 17, 8:45 AM
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    Just another tax on the motorist. Disgusting
    Originally posted by I have spoken
    So driving within the limit is tax evasion...?
    • facade
    • By facade 24th Apr 17, 9:31 AM
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    So driving within the limit is tax evasion...?
    Originally posted by deaston

    No- tax avoidance.

    Tax evasion is against The Law and generally frowned upon, but tax avoidance is encouraged (well, it is if you are rich anyway )
    I want to go back to The Olden Days, when every single thing that I can think of was better.....

    (except air quality and Medical Science )
    • kathrynha
    • By kathrynha 24th Apr 17, 9:39 AM
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    Speed limits factor in road conditions, visibility etc. Not to mention noise pollution for residents and the safety of the public.
    Originally posted by deaston

    Some speed limits may, but others definitely don't. 30 mph dual carriageways in non-residential areas are not neccessary
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    • deaston
    • By deaston 24th Apr 17, 10:06 AM
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    Some speed limits may, but others definitely don't. 30 mph dual carriageways in non-residential areas are not neccessary
    Originally posted by kathrynha
    So why do they exist?
    • maxmycardagain
    • By maxmycardagain 24th Apr 17, 11:04 AM
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    I like slower......... I save fuel
    Dont worry, be happy
    • kathrynha
    • By kathrynha 24th Apr 17, 1:08 PM
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    So why do they exist?
    Originally posted by deaston
    Money from speeding fines at a guess. It's not unusual for police to be on the stretch of road with a camera.


    The particular bit of road I'm referring to is the A65 between Viaduct road and the A58 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.8021059,-1.5703381,16z
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    • yogsie
    • By yogsie 24th Apr 17, 2:07 PM
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    I must say it is all very well introducing these fines, but, who will enforce them? Police budgets have been reduced severely, North Wales Police used to be very pro active, and indeed they stand by that statement if you look at their lets say manifesto the Fatal Five.

    We need more police on the road to address all of the issues that have been mentioned in this forum, relying on the publics Dash Cam Footage is not enough, i dont see why i should commit my self to putting someone in court, only to find they intend to plead Not Guilty, then i have to take a day off work to support my statement, Im not a policeman!

    Fines are fine, but theres little deterent if there is no man power to enforce.
    • jblessing
    • By jblessing 24th Apr 17, 4:02 PM
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    Money from speeding fines at a guess. It's not unusual for police to be on the stretch of road with a camera.


    The particular bit of road I'm referring to is the A65 between Viaduct road and the A58 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.8021059,-1.5703381,16z
    Originally posted by kathrynha
    According to http://www.crashmap.co.uk/Search, there were two fatalities on this road since 2014. That is probably the reason
    • jblessing
    • By jblessing 24th Apr 17, 4:09 PM
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    jblessing
    Also worth reading:

    http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/publications/road_traffic/world_report/speed_en.pdf

    In particular the effect of increasing speed regarding pedestrian fatalities
    Last edited by jblessing; 24-04-2017 at 4:10 PM. Reason: Added ref to pedestrians
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