SMETS 1 Meters - No More
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why do you think that a cut off date for installing SMETS1 meters has been agreed.
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Chapter and verse:
https://smartenergycodecompany.co.uk/download/91830 -
Perhaps rearrange for them to come on the 31st January 22,000.Npower reckon that they are coming to install mine (SMETS1 I'm sure!) on the 25th, but they can't as I won't confirm it.;)
I tried to cancel online through my account as I don't want one, and it refuses to let me, and insists that I have to phone them.
I suppose I could try and re-schedule for March 2019, but as above, they will probably get derogation extended..
No doubt they will soon be be ringing me, or even sending someone to bother me in person on the 25th.
We shall see......
And they reckon on ONE HOUR per meter to install :rotfl:
Yes, you read that year right.0 -
Adopting SMETS1 meters onto the DCC is at best a temporary kludge to allow supplier interoperability if possible until they are eventually replaced because the SMETS1 data protocol and hardware is different!
Oh well in that case OFGEM, DCC and the government and also MSE in its article about the SMETS1 OTA software update must be telling lies and what is actually going to happen is that over 11 million (March 2018) SMETS1 meters are going to be replaced with presumably SMETS2 meters and in the meantime SMETS1 meters which have gone dumb will stay dumb?
ROFL
Oh yes, there is a lot of rubbish posted about smart meters isn't there. ROFL0 -
No OTA software upgrade can convert a SMETS1 meter into a SMETS2 meter.Oh well in that case OFGEM, DCC and the government and also MSE in its article about the SMETS1 OTA software update must be telling lies and what is actually going to happen is that over 11 million (March 2018) SMETS1 meters are going to be replaced with presumably SMETS2 meters and in the meantime SMETS1 meters which have gone dumb will stay dumb?
ROFL
Oh yes, there is a lot of rubbish posted about smart meters isn't there. ROFL
They will always be non-standard meters, and public sector driven projects like the smart meter programme will always eschew non-standard if more 'public' money is available to be ploughed into the project to standardise everything.
If SMETS1 meters can be upgraded then it will only be a short-term fix, not a permanent one."In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"0 -
It's quite cleaver what they have done I think.
They have created a new data center to comminicate with all the different types of SME1 meters, to gather their readings.
Considering the amount of SME1 meters out there, this is quite a good idea.
At least I think that is what they have done
SME1 meters may not be as cleaver or as secure, but its a good comprimise until they are replaced in 10 years time I guess.0 -
Adopting SMETS1 meters onto the DCC is at best a temporary kludge to allow supplier interoperability if possible until they are eventually replaced because the SMETS1 data protocol and hardware is different!Oh well in that case OFGEM, DCC and the government and also MSE in its article about the SMETS1 OTA software update must be telling lies and what is actually going to happen is that over 11 million (March 2018) SMETS1 meters are going to be replaced with presumably SMETS2 meters and in the meantime SMETS1 meters which have gone dumb will stay dumb?
ROFL
Oh yes, there is a lot of rubbish posted about smart meters isn't there. ROFL
Yes and you have swallowed it all hook line and sinker! All this talk of OTA upgrades with "new software" is posted by people who haven't got a clue about the technicalities involved and what is actually feasible.
Perhaps you should read the recently published factual National Audit Office report
https://www.nao.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Rolling-out-smart-meters.pdf
and not quote rubbish that you have read from various unreliable sources.
e.g.The Department has not yet attempted to enroll SMETS1 meters within the DCC infrastructure. The target dates for this have been pushed back, and it is not certain that it will work as intended. The Department has always planned on enrolling SMETS1 meters to make them fully interoperable. But this is technically challenging and the solutions are still being tested or in development. The target start date for enrollment has been pushed back from November 2018 to May 2019 and there is a risk of further delay. The Department’s assumption for the purposes of cost–benefit modeling is that 2% of the frst two thirds of SMETS1 meters will not be successfully enrolled but some stakeholders told us that significantly more could fail. Furthermore, the Department has not yet decided if it will attempt to enroll all makes of SMETS1 meter. Therefore, the Department should be cautious about suggesting that the successful enrollment and adoption of all SMETS1 meters is inevitable (paragraphs 1.10, 1.30 and 1.31, and 2.37 to 2.39).
If you don't understand the technicalities, don't post uncorroborated rubbish showing your ignorance on this subject!0 -
This guy does know what he is talking about, and this article is well worth a read. Mr Hunn has given specialist evidence to Parliamentary Committees on the smart meter rollout.
http://www.nickhunn.com/smart-meter-update/0 -
This in my view is the most revealing conclusion in the NAO Report about SMETS1 adoption by the Data Communications Company:
12 The Department has not yet attempted to enrol SMETS1 meters within the DCC infrastructure. The target dates for this have been pushed back, and it is not certain that it will work as intended. The Department has always planned on enrolling SMETS1 meters to make them fully interoperable. But this is technically challenging and the solutions are still being tested or in development. The target start date for enrolment has been pushed back from November 2018 to May 2019 and there is a risk of further delay. The Department’s assumption for the purposes of cost–benefit modelling is that 2% of the first two thirds of SMETS1 meters will not be successfully enrolled but some stakeholders told us that significantly more could fail. Furthermore, the Department has not yet decided if it will attempt to enrol all makes of SMETS1 meter. Therefore, the Department should be cautious about suggesting that the successful enrolment and adoption of all SMETS1 meters is inevitable (paragraphs 1.10, 1.30 and 1.31, and 2.37 to 2.39).0 -
No OTA software upgrade can convert a SMETS1 meter into a SMETS2 meter.
They will always be non-standard meters, and public sector driven projects like the smart meter programme will always eschew non-standard if more 'public' money is available to be ploughed into the project to standardise everything.
If SMETS1 meters can be upgraded then it will only be a short-term fix, not a permanent one.
As I said in my previous post, in that case everyone must be telling lies including OFGEM, DCC, MSE and the government.
I would like to investigate this further so perhaps you can post some evidence which supports what you say.0 -
This in my view is the most revealing conclusion in the NAO Report about SMETS1 adoption by the Data Communications Company:
12 The Department has not yet attempted to enrol SMETS1 meters within the DCC infrastructure. The target dates for this have been pushed back, and it is not certain that it will work as intended. The Department has always planned on enrolling SMETS1 meters to make them fully interoperable. But this is technically challenging and the solutions are still being tested or in development. The target start date for enrolment has been pushed back from November 2018 to May 2019 and there is a risk of further delay. The Department’s assumption for the purposes of cost–benefit modelling is that 2% of the first two thirds of SMETS1 meters will not be successfully enrolled but some stakeholders told us that significantly more could fail. Furthermore, the Department has not yet decided if it will attempt to enrol all makes of SMETS1 meter. Therefore, the Department should be cautious about suggesting that the successful enrolment and adoption of all SMETS1 meters is inevitable (paragraphs 1.10, 1.30 and 1.31, and 2.37 to 2.39).
Here's an article from The Guardian which is principally about the NAO report which I think is better than copying and pasting jargon:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/nov/23/smart-meters-rollout-labelled-a-fiasco-as-consumers-face-extra-500m-bill
If you investigate this further I think you will find that the conclusion is based on speculation emanating from proposals and a request for response from stakeholders (smart meter manufacturers) and those responses. It cannot possibly be the result of technical trials which have not in fact happened yet. As I understand the current situation trials of enrolling SMETS1 in the DCC are being conducted by British Gas but they have not published their findings.
It is perhaps much more productive to link to the open letter from OFGEM which is related to the responses from stakeholders rather than publish speculative and possibly inaccurate or even fictitious reports which are not based on actual evidence. Here's a link to that open letter (PDF file);
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/system/files/docs/2018/05/2018.05_open_letter_-_observations_from_rollout_plans.pdf0
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