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  • abedegno
    abedegno Posts: 177 Forumite
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    Premier Park's privacy notice:
    http://premierpark.co.uk/privacy-policy/
    Falls short of the information required to be provided to the data subject under GDPR:
    • No retention information
    • Details of transfers
    • It fails to mention the right to access and only the right to object and restrict
    The notice talks about being able to levy a fee to restrict processing, but not for a data access request.
  • abedegno
    abedegno Posts: 177 Forumite
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    edited 7 June 2018 at 9:07AM
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    Make a complaint the ICO
    https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/your-personal-information-concerns/personal-information-concerns/personal-information-concerns-report/
    They can be slow to respond, best to kick something off sooner rather than later with them.
  • nosferatu1001
    nosferatu1001 Posts: 12,961 Forumite
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    Indeed

    I would resond, statng that you have not been provided with data they hold about you, and you require them to justify their decision.

    You have aalreayd complained to the ICO, by this point, so tell them as well.
  • Pdmum
    Pdmum Posts: 127 Forumite
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    I have written a brief response to PP and will be posting a copy to ICO.
    Is this acceptable or is it best to send copy by email.
  • Pdmum
    Pdmum Posts: 127 Forumite
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    Apologies, have just found the address for posting.
  • Coupon-mad
    Coupon-mad Posts: 131,681 Forumite
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    edited 10 June 2018 at 4:09PM
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    Pdmum wrote: »
    I have written a brief response to PP and will be posting a copy to ICO.
    Is this acceptable or is it best to send copy by email.

    Neither!

    Google ICO and see how to complain online. This is simple to do. You do not just 'copy the ICO in' to what you send to the parking firm, they will not know what on earth the piece of post is about! Think about it!

    Also the ICO is such a massive organisation, I would NEVER post stuff to them snail mail for them to misfile or lose! I have been in admin all my life and can tell you - NO!

    Terrible idea to post something randomly to a large organisation.

    You lay out a formal online complaint citing the DPA/GDPR rules, and abedegno already gave you how their privacy notice fails the GDPR.

    Start with that.

    Then you also have their wholly unreasonable refusal to provide the data to a person they already know is the keeper of that car. The data will not be huge or excessive, it is likely to include ANPR processing images and copies of the letters sent, hardly a big task.

    You will also be complaining about breaches of the ANPR Surveillance Camera Code of Practice, including:

    - failure to tell you at the time/ in the NTK, about your right to subject access

    - excessive use of ANPR images as a cash-cow, 24/7 when the signage terms cannot be read/are not lit. Even if a person can find the PDT machine, they can't read any terms on signs.

    - failure to make manual checks of ANPR data before issuing an automated PCN. This is a breach of the ICO CoP and the BPA CoP too, which makes it mandatory that manual checks are made before issuing any ANPR tickets, and makes it mandatory that the PPC complies with ICO rules on ANPR and data processing.

    - the misleading data supplied 'PCN states Failure to pay for the duration of stay'. Appeal rejection says 'The vehicle overstayed the paid parking period'.

    - unsynchronised clocks/timers between the ANPR camera system and the PDT machine system, which operate as two separate data streams and are not checked nor tallied by a real person in any way, before a PCN is issued, and which operate in a way that cause detriment to a consumer. This is due to the PPC preferring the misleading data stream timer from the ANPR cameras which suggests - wrongly - that a car was 'parked' for a longer time than it was, despite the fact the PPC has the true (and fairer, and the actual parking contract start time) data in the form of the PDT purchase time.

    - the average paying consumer would rely on the time shown on the receipt from the PDT machine.

    - the driver would have no idea they were also being filmed and that a completely different set of timings would be used against them.

    - ANPR may be appropriate for free car parks, and/or as a double check with very limited use in PDT machine sites, only to identify non-payers and trespassers, but is unfair to use as the preferred data stream to suggest a paying patron 'overstayed' when all they did was arrive, find a space, park, go and read the signs, find change/use Ringgo to pay, then rely on that timing on the ticket. Since the BPA CoP makes at least ten minutes mandatory as a grace period at the end of paid-for time, that plus the time taken on arrival are not 'parking time' and the PPC has the data and know the driver paid, and when, and are using the ANPR data unreasonably and without sufficient checks & balances to ensure there is no excessive intrusive data processed without any justification.

    - failure to regularly carry out assessments to justify 24/7 ANPR surveillance and ascertain it is appropriate and fair to process data of all visitors including those who pay in good faith, and to use the two unsychronised data streams and select the one which operates against the paying driver.

    - in Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking, the time when a parking contract begins was held to be led by the PDT machine and the data on the ticket produced by the machine, and the contract was deemed made when the coins went in (or these days, when the RingGo phone app accepted a payment).

    In conclusion:
    This operator is misusing ANPR in an excessive and unjustified way, is misusing two conflicting data streams unfairly against those who do park & pay, and has compounded that by not telling drivers about their right to subject access, and then refusing to reply to a SAR.



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  • Pdmum
    Pdmum Posts: 127 Forumite
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    Thanks for your help again, sorted.
  • Pdmum
    Pdmum Posts: 127 Forumite
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    Completed my AOS by email, as claim not an online claim.
    Preparing my defence, is it necesary to include POPLA discrepencies at this stage? and should i reply to the points on claim in turn?
    Thanks in advance
  • KeithP
    KeithP Posts: 37,638 Forumite
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    What is the Date of Issue on your Claim Form?

    On what date did you send the AoS?

    I'm surprised to see you say that the claim wasn't raised via MCOL.
  • Pdmum
    Pdmum Posts: 127 Forumite
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    date of service 27th June, although postmark was 25th???
    Emailed and received acknowledgement today.
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