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pappa_golf
pappa_golf Posts: 8,895 Forumite
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edited 16 July 2017 at 6:48PM in Parking tickets, fines & parking
this thread now edited to remove original (stupid) fund crowding request to fund payment of fines , therefore most of the replies now make no sense !



EDIT : a further crowd funding page has now been set up , this time to raise funds for an appeal

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/nhsvindigo

I agree and will be assisting in this
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  • trisontana
    trisontana Posts: 9,472 Forumite
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    What have the politicians (both national and local) saying about this? And the media?
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • Ryandavis1959
    Ryandavis1959 Posts: 217 Forumite
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    Thanks for the link I don't have much money but I have contributed a fiver. Something about this whole case feels "off" like we have not been told the full story. Surely the Lay Rep's indemnity insurance should cover the £12000 costs? Who was the Lay Rep and how has such a huge amount of costs been levied in a County Court hearing? It's more in line with what you would expect under Scots law as opposed to E & W.
    If you were not the driver write to the parking firm and tell them who was so they CANNOT hold you liable. The person who was driving the car is responsible so let them deal with it. Not you! Don’t let people with an agenda tell you otherwise.
  • Ryandavis1959
    Ryandavis1959 Posts: 217 Forumite
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    trisontana wrote: »
    What have the politicians (both national and local) saying about this? And the media?
    I have sent the link on twitter to Murdo Fraser.
    If you were not the driver write to the parking firm and tell them who was so they CANNOT hold you liable. The person who was driving the car is responsible so let them deal with it. Not you! Don’t let people with an agenda tell you otherwise.
  • Half_way
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    trisontana wrote: »
    What have the politicians (both national and local) saying about this? And the media?


    Nothing - yet, its all gone pretty much under the radar.
    even the discussion about the case on here was buried in another thread about court cases tailing off.

    Im ion agreement with the above, and other comments any funding/publicity should be aimed at a further appeal/challenge and raising the profile of this case.
    PPCs, in particular Indigo will soon start going on about this case, and the more publicity it gets the better, from both sides as the PPC/NHS trust will not come out of it looking good.
    Aggressively going after low paid, over worked nurses who do the job as a vocation to look after and care for us/the sick/needy etc, plus ontop of that there is a shortage of nurses and general staff in the NHS, this wont encourage recruitment.
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
  • Guys_Dad
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    It's all very well taking the moral stance about fighting them on the beaches etc, but the fact is, at present, the nurses face having to pay for their court costs. Hence the appeal.

    So, would it be sensible to crowd fund to raise money to pay a professional legal team to take it further, thereby leaving them with more legal costs to be added to the original lot if they don't win?

    Great if you are not the ones facing the financial penalty.

    Brutally, they agreed a strategy to defend the claims against them and lost in court. The engaged unpaid lay reps. They could have crowd funded to get a legal team instead. The other side won their case and that meant that the charges stood and the claimants' legal team get their costs.

    There comes a time when the legal action has to stop and the begging bowl comes out to help pay the costs so far. It is then up to people if they want to contribute or not.
  • beamerguy
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    edited 16 July 2017 at 12:19PM
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    The crux of the problem appears to be The University Hospital of Wales
    who seemed to support Indigo.

    Where is the sense in issuing 10,000 permits when there are
    only 1000 spaces ??? The hospital must have realised that this
    alone would cause huge problems

    The management of this hospital should be sent back to school
    and be shown the logistics

    Who would blame a strike at this hospital and/or staff leaving

    The Judge, what can one say ????
    Maybe Jeremy Hunt should be talking to David Lidington MP,
    the Lord High Chancellor Secretary of State, Ministry of Justice
    when this explodes as it will

    Crowd funding for helping people pay will not expose the scam
    of this hospital.

    All this at a time when the NHS are crying out for staff
    Central government will be stupid to ignore this
  • pappa_golf
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    Guys_Dad wrote: »
    It's all very well taking the moral stance about fighting them on the beaches etc, but the fact is, at present, the nurses face having to pay for their court costs. Hence the appeal.

    So, would it be sensible to crowd fund to raise money to pay a professional legal team to take it further, thereby leaving them with more legal costs to be added to the original lot if they don't win?

    Great if you are not the ones facing the financial penalty.

    Brutally, they agreed a strategy to defend the claims against them and lost in court. The engaged unpaid lay reps. They could have crowd funded to get a legal team instead. The other side won their case and that meant that the charges stood and the claimants' legal team get their costs.

    There comes a time when the legal action has to stop and the begging bowl comes out to help pay the costs so far. It is then up to people if they want to contribute or not.

    umm if an appeal is started , that will put any payments on hold untill appeal is done , te money indigo get in those (inflated) fines will simply be split between funbding further court cases and being sent to french shareholders

    could you imagine what would happen in france if indigo tried it over there?

    the croud funding , should be for monies to appeal against indigo , not to pay up at this point
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  • Guys_Dad
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    pappa_golf wrote: »
    umm if an appeal is started , that will put any payments on hold untill appeal is done , te money indigo get in those (inflated) fines will simply be split between funbding further court cases and being sent to french shareholders

    could you imagine what would happen in france if indigo tried it over there?

    the croud funding , should be for monies to appeal against indigo , not to pay up at this point

    They may be on hold, but there will be appeal costs for using a legal team to appeal. If the appeal was lost, then the appeal costs plus the original award would be due. And that would be even more crowd funding required.

    The point is that both you, Beamerguy and Halfway are anti-PPC warriors and I hope you will accept that I am as well. Our aims are beyond this particular case.

    But these nurses are seeking money to pay their court costs and parking charges. That's a different issue from fighting "the system".

    But the system needs fighting but any pro-bono legal team willing to take this on is only a part solution . Ulike Beavis where there was pro-bone for Barry, the PPC agreed not to seek costs as they wanted clarification on GPEOL, I can't see this PPC waiving their appeal costs, given their current experience with some of the cases in this action.

    The crowd funding appeal, unfortunately, only covers these cases. I believe that there are a reported 100,000 other cases in the wings! The hospital needs to get a grip here and the staff union needs to get into action.
  • trisontana
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    Half_way wrote: »
    Aggressively going after low paid, over worked nurses who do the job as a vocation to look after and care for us/the sick/needy etc, plus ontop of that there is a shortage of nurses and general staff in the NHS, this wont encourage recruitment.

    You've got it all wrong folks. According to Phil (spreadsheet) Hammond, public sector workers are "overpaid" if you take into account their pensions. Of course how many of these overworked staff will live to enjoy these benefits is another question.
    What part of "A whop bop-a-lu a whop bam boo" don't you understand?
  • beamerguy
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    trisontana wrote: »
    You've got it all wrong folks. According to Phil (spreadsheet) Hammond, public sector workers are "overpaid" if you take into account their pensions. Of course how many of these overworked staff will live to enjoy these benefits is another question.

    Don't forget the foodbanks ?
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