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    • MSE Naomi
    • By MSE Naomi 3rd Dec 19, 10:09 AM
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    GPs 'missing critical opportunity' to help people with mental illness avoid financial problems
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 10:09 AM
    GPs 'missing critical opportunity' to help people with mental illness avoid financial problems 3rd Dec 19 at 10:09 AM
    Healthcare professionals have a "crucial role" in helping people with mental health problems avoid financial difficulties, according to a new report – but many patients aren't being offered this support...
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    • Ergates
    • By Ergates 3rd Dec 19, 1:58 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 1:58 PM
    Because GPs aren't busy enough they're now meant to take on responsibility for their patients finances?
    • Thrugelmir
    • By Thrugelmir 3rd Dec 19, 2:26 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 2:26 PM
    Bad enough getting a GP's appointment around here for a medical condition. With several practices going into special measures and have been taken over by the local hospital trust.
    ““there really is no such thing as ‘the future’, singular. There are only multiple, unforeseeable futures, which will never lose their capacity to take us by surprise.””
    ― Niall Ferguson
    • Ben8282
    • By Ben8282 3rd Dec 19, 4:33 PM
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    Our GP practice has now reduced the length of a standard appointment to 5 minutes and has notices up about only one condition to be discussed per-appointment. The appointments themselves can be difficult to get although I think we have it better than many.
    But a GP is surely not qualified to give financial advice ….
    • Ken68
    • By Ken68 3rd Dec 19, 5:18 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 5:18 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 5:18 PM
    My local surgery have nurses available , some of them senior and trained to help patients through tough times. That would be the route for helping those with mental/financial problems. Maybe call in the banks for additional help.
    • Willing2Learn
    • By Willing2Learn 3rd Dec 19, 5:53 PM
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    GPs act as 'gatekeepers' to patients who require a mental health assessment so that their patients can access local community mental health teams. They barely have enough time per slot to diagnose a patient, never mind making a referral to mental health services.

    A GP, mental health or social care professional can support their patient in financial distress, by completing a Debt & Mental Health Evidence Form, so that creditors are made aware of the psychological or emotional vulnerability of their patient and how their mental health condition might affect the patient's ability to manage their money.
    I work within the voluntary sector, supporting vulnerable people to rebuild their lives.

    I love my job

    • born again
    • By born again 3rd Dec 19, 5:54 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 19, 5:54 PM
    Healthcare professionals have a "crucial role" in helping people with mental health problems avoid financial difficulties, according to a new report – but many patients aren't being offered this support...
    Originally posted by MSE Naomi
    Reminds me that working in banking you are expected to understand customers health issues....

    What is wrong with the world when untrained people are expected to be a expert in a field they have no training in.
    • Ben8282
    • By Ben8282 3rd Dec 19, 6:18 PM
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    Not very long ago I accompanied an elderly relative to the GP surgery as we had been asked to make a 'double appointment' for her annual dementia review.

    The GP did not so much as carry out even the most superficial physical examination. The GP asked me no questions whatsoever about her current condition, if I felt she was deteriorating or any of the questions that may have reasonably been expected.

    Instead he wanted to offer advice about wills and POA's. When I told him this had already been sorted out (with the solicitor and he should have known I have a health POA as her medical records should reflect this) he held out his arm to shake my hand as a gesture of dismissal and off we went. Doubt we were in the surgery for even 5 minutes.
    • K80 Black
    • By K80 Black 4th Dec 19, 8:57 AM
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    • 4th Dec 19, 8:57 AM
    I think Willing2Learn is absolutely correct, in that the GP is unlikely to be the one doing the actual support, but they're the only ones who can signpost you to the people who can help.

    I had a social worker for many years and it seemed like the majority of her other clients were often needing help navigating the benefits/PIP system. Thanks to my many years lurking/posting here, I've always been fairly savvy with these things.
    • Fiona CW
    • By Fiona CW 4th Dec 19, 9:41 AM
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    Do GPs know where to signpost patients to? I was a GP for 10 years and certainly wouldn't have known where to direct patients to for help. Things may have changed since I left but back then asking about finances was generally not part of a mental health assessment in general practice. As others have pointed out, standard appointments are generally 10 minutes at most so very difficult to cover everything.
    • onwards&upwards
    • By onwards&upwards 4th Dec 19, 10:06 AM
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    This country is short of 3000 GPs and about 40,000 nurses.

    Maybe we should sort that out before we start increasing the already excessive workload of the ones we have so that they burn out and leave!
    • Thrugelmir
    • By Thrugelmir 4th Dec 19, 11:19 AM
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    Maybe Richard Branson could set up a seperate contracted Virgin healthcare triage system for identifying potential clients in today's 'not for sale' but being sold off by stealth NHS.
    Originally posted by Yorkshire Pud
    The Virgin brand has progressively become diluted over the years. Branson was only ever interested if there was money to be made. Quick enough to exit when the concept fails.
    ““there really is no such thing as ‘the future’, singular. There are only multiple, unforeseeable futures, which will never lose their capacity to take us by surprise.””
    ― Niall Ferguson
    • eskbanker
    • By eskbanker 4th Dec 19, 11:35 AM
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    The Virgin brand has progressively become diluted over the years. Branson was only ever interested if there was money to be made. Quick enough to exit when the concept fails.
    Originally posted by Thrugelmir
    ....such as when Virgin Vodka was diluted with Virgin Cola!
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