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    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 7th Sep 19, 10:53 AM
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    Three Mobile Broadband
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    • 7th Sep 19, 10:53 AM
    Three Mobile Broadband 7th Sep 19 at 10:53 AM
    Hi

    I currently have VM 200M service and pay an extortionate amount its 43 PM now my contract has ended I am finding it hard to find a good deal without the need of a 17 phone line (((is this like some sort of TV license tax where you dont have a choice?)))) Having to pay for a phone line I dont need I have stumbled across Three's AI cube 4G broadband for 25PM with quoted LTE speeds of 300Mbit/s I have orded it just to check before I fully remove VM Broadband.

    However I have done a speedtest at home with EE 4G and 02 4G none LTE connection and get a rather poor 20Mbps down and 3Mbps upload so it may not look good.

    Anybody have one of these? Ill return it if I get the above speeds.
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    • Neil Jones
    • By Neil Jones 7th Sep 19, 6:42 PM
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    • 7th Sep 19, 6:42 PM
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    • 7th Sep 19, 6:42 PM
    300Mbit/s is not the same as your Virgin 200Mbs service. 300Mbit/s is "only" 37 Mbps.

    Realistically if you need a 200Mbps connection like the Virgin one you have now, that is your only (most convenient based on your current setup) option. If you can live with a slower speed then it could be worth doing what you're doing.
    • JJ Egan
    • By JJ Egan 7th Sep 19, 7:21 PM
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    • 7th Sep 19, 7:21 PM
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    • 7th Sep 19, 7:21 PM
    Line rental is to pay for the data line BB and TV travel over .Its no longer just a phone line .
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 7th Sep 19, 8:20 PM
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    • #4
    • 7th Sep 19, 8:20 PM
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    • 7th Sep 19, 8:20 PM
    But its still 17 to BT which is just a rebranded name for line rental?. I'm hoping 5G is the future but ill happily try 4G for now. I have just done another speed test this time I have 89Mbps on EE with VM achieving 179Mbps! I would happily live with traditional Fiber speeds.
    • Peter999
    • By Peter999 8th Sep 19, 7:21 AM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 7:21 AM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 7:21 AM
    300Mbit/s is not the same as your Virgin 200Mbs service. 300Mbit/s is "only" 37 Mbps.

    Realistically if you need a 200Mbps connection like the Virgin one you have now, that is your only (most convenient based on your current setup) option. If you can live with a slower speed then it could be worth doing what you're doing.
    Originally posted by Neil Jones

    I think you're getting a bit confused. Mega bits is Mbps (Mega bits per second) as opposed to MBps (Mega Bytes per second).


    The 300 that three have quoted is 100 faster than the Virgin offering. However, would be interesting if you got anywhere near that in the real world.
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 8th Sep 19, 7:38 AM
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    • #6
    • 8th Sep 19, 7:38 AM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 7:38 AM
    Hi

    I currently have VM 200M service and pay an extortionate amount its 43 PM now my contract has ended I am finding it hard to find a good deal without the need of a 17 phone line (((is this like some sort of TV license tax where you dont have a choice?)))) Having to pay for a phone line I dont need I have stumbled across Three's AI cube 4G broadband for 25PM with quoted LTE speeds of 300Mbit/s I have orded it just to check before I fully remove VM Broadband.

    However I have done a speedtest at home with EE 4G and 02 4G none LTE connection and get a rather poor 20Mbps down and 3Mbps upload so it may not look good.

    Anybody have one of these? Ill return it if I get the above speeds.
    Originally posted by Pokerking
    Got VM 200 service for 28 when I threatened to leave although it was a slog. I will soon be going to Three esp with 5G coming very soon.
    • mnbvcxz
    • By mnbvcxz 8th Sep 19, 11:49 AM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 11:49 AM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 11:49 AM
    I would love to be proved wrong but I'm pretty sure all the above internet speeds are in the same megabits per second and so can be compared (though threes is a much vaguer estimate).

    Fibre 36mb/s is roughly 4MB per second

    virgin 200mb/s is roughly 25MB per second

    three 300mb/s is roughly 37MB per second

    Gigabit ethernet is roughly 120MB per second

    It would be wonderful if three were offering 300MB/s but I don't think that's likely any time soon...
    • iniltous
    • By iniltous 8th Sep 19, 2:41 PM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 2:41 PM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 2:41 PM
    But its still 17 to BT which is just a rebranded name for line rental?. I'm hoping 5G is the future but ill happily try 4G for now. I have just done another speed test this time I have 89Mbps on EE with VM achieving 179Mbps! I would happily live with traditional Fiber speeds.
    Originally posted by Pokerking
    If you are currently on a VM service, how is it ‘still 17 to BT ‘ ?, if you are a VM customer , BT ( or Openreach ) are in no way involved and certainly don’t get any percentage of whatever you pay VM
    You can have a broadband only service ( without any phone line ) from VM ( if you so wish ) but VM standalone broadband is no cheaper than VM broadband and phone line , and if you resent not getting a large discount on broadband service only ( compared to line & broadband) for not wanting a phone line at all, then mobile is probably your only choice, if you ‘need’ 200Mb , you probably should do a trial run with mobile before you quit VM, as it’s performance is not likely to compare
    Last edited by iniltous; 08-09-2019 at 2:44 PM.
    • Chino
    • By Chino 8th Sep 19, 4:44 PM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 4:44 PM
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    • 8th Sep 19, 4:44 PM
    If you are currently on a VM service, how is it ‘still 17 to BT ‘ ?, if you are a VM customer , BT ( or Openreach ) are in no way involved and certainly don’t get any percentage of whatever you pay VM
    Originally posted by iniltous
    The OP was clearly referring to the need to pay for line rental if he/she migrated from VM.
    • iniltous
    • By iniltous 8th Sep 19, 5:56 PM
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    Yep , read post 4 in isolation, rather than an addition to the OP
    Having said that wholesale line rental, ( so what Openreach get, not ‘BT’) is 7.70/month not 17, ..the retailer charges whatever they want , but usually to disguise the real cost of broadband and that ‘BT’ are somehow making the service more expensive than it needs to be.
    If paying line rental is so unacceptable, go mobile.
    I find it funny that the original mobile phone contracts ( before data was particularly important) cellular telephony company’s charged line rental when no line exists , now data is as , if not more important , do we get anyone complaining that in their data bundle they get calls and texts but don’t use them, so why should they have to pay for that part of the bundle ?
    Last edited by iniltous; 08-09-2019 at 6:06 PM.
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 9th Sep 19, 1:09 AM
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    Bit of an update I ordered the 25 AI cube deal it comes on Tuesday. A big bonus is the Alexa integration the hub alone is 219 to buy on Amazon so will look to sell my Echo if its any good!

    I'm just a bit miffed having to pay another company a line rental charge when I only need internet access maybe thats me been awkward but it does not sit right. My VM service was broadband only and if you took a phone package its cheaper? Not sure how that works.

    Another bonus is not been restricted in where the hub can be placed as it uses mobile data, I have a wifi access point with 5 1GB Ethernet ports so connectivity shouldn't be an issue.

    Regarding the speed I am confused as the next person, Mbps M/Bits MB blahhhh....

    All I know is speedtest shows 197Mbps for my VM and 89Mbps on EE 4G LTE so ill see Tuesday
    • worried jim
    • By worried jim 9th Sep 19, 12:52 PM
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    All I know is speedtest shows 197Mbps for my VM and 89Mbps on EE 4G LTE so ill see Tuesday
    Originally posted by Pokerking
    25pm for 89mbps is good enough. I would be keen to hear how you get on as I am considering this too.
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 9th Sep 19, 6:27 PM
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    I will try and do a mini write up. There is not much info out there about this product in the real world. Hopefully its not pants!! Ha.
    • Terry98
    • By Terry98 10th Sep 19, 5:54 AM
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    I will try and do a mini write up. There is not much info out there about this product in the real world. Hopefully its not pants!! Ha.
    Originally posted by Pokerking
    As someone has paid for the product it will be interesting to see if you come to the same conclusions as this poster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijgbu9sFzrM who got it free!
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 10th Sep 19, 6:12 PM
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    Well DPD have failed the delivery due to a van breakdown! Brilliant start
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 11th Sep 19, 7:53 PM
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    Well I have it and been using the device now for a few hours and....

    It looks very nice, but it performs worse than my Echo plus 2 sound quality wise, its very 'tinny' and lacks bass, it is poor tbh. Massively let down.

    Also lacks support to control devices such as my light bulbs, plug sockets etc.. It only acts as an alexa smart speaker so no iTunes/Spotify support. Didn't realise this so its not an Alexa device replacement.

    Ths UI and setup was easy, turns on and connects within 10s, my VM hub takes 5 mins after a reboot to fully operate.

    I have been testing the device in various locations upstairs/downstairs and I am not able to achieve a good signal its amber in the app which indicates a poor 4G signal.

    Speedtest indicates;

    Three AI Cube
    50ms ping - 19.2Mbps D/L 31.2Mbps U/L

    EE 4G
    14ms ping - 89.2Mbps D/L 27.1Mbps U/L

    Virgin Media 200
    4ms ping - 197.1Mbps D/L 28.9Mbps U/L

    As you can see its not usable for a household. I stream a lot of 4k YouTube videos, play my PS4 and have a daughter doing all sorts on her phone, SkyQ downloads are very slow.

    I'm not really sure what to make of the device, I had high hopes but it seems not for me
    • buglawton
    • By buglawton 11th Sep 19, 8:20 PM
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    Why didn't you pop a Three SIM into a phone and test the ping and speed before ordering the Three AI Cube? Also a bit of basic Google research would've shown you were never going to get gaming ping responsiveness from any 4G.
    • Pokerking
    • By Pokerking 11th Sep 19, 8:59 PM
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    Well because its not a phone and probally would perform differently? The fact I got good speeds with EE I was hoping Three would atlest be close. It was worth trying just to see if 4G would be comparable with household broadband/fiber.

    Also was interested in tested the AI hub and see how it would perform.

    I did pleanty of 'basic' reaserch. But thanks for your input
    • buglawton
    • By buglawton 11th Sep 19, 9:19 PM
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    Sure, for anyone else on the same path, a speed test with any 4G phone will give a fairly accurate idea of a 4G home router's performance at the same location in a house. I know because I tested it that way before trying 4G with the main router. In my case Smarty on Three's network was completely adequate for multiple HD streaming as Three never goes below 50 Mbps here on a medium to good signal. No one in the family games anymore so the mediocre ping is unimportant for us.
    • Mickiemice
    • By Mickiemice 16th Sep 19, 8:30 PM
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    I am on the same path! Was testing three in places I use mobile as thinking of switching to take advantage of go roam in the States. This is when I discovered three 4g gave me a reliable 80-120 Mbs anywhere in the house. I then discovered three 4G home broadband deals for existing customers 18pm for unlimited data and an upgrade router (not the Alexa speaker-16 for the basic router. This is pretty favourable to my current NowTV deal at 30Mbs for 25pm. That is due to end next month

    We do stream never in 4K and almost never more than one HD stream. We don’t game so from what I’m reading three would suit me well and be a nice saving, plus I could actually take it with me in the UK and even overseas (they allow up to 12 Gb on go roam on unlimited plans)

    Is there a possible downside I’m missing?
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