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    • Ostrava
    • By Ostrava 18th Oct 19, 11:09 AM
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    Benefits & money earned from music streaming
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    • 18th Oct 19, 11:09 AM
    Benefits & money earned from music streaming 18th Oct 19 at 11:09 AM
    I have to live on ESA and PIP due to my health. In the infrequent moments when I'm well enough, I make music on my computer as a hobby. I found a streaming service that distributes music on the internet and thought it would be cool if someone listened to my music.

    What didn't occur to me was that I might actually make some money from it. I logged into my account yesterday to discover that my track ended up getting thousands of streams, earning me the princely sum of £70 over the course of two months.


    Being on income related ESA this presents a problem. Should I call the DWP and inform them about the money? To be honest I am reluctant to do this because of my previous experience with them, causing me to go into debt and rent arrears for weeks until they fixed their mistake.

    Should I tell them, or is the sum too low? I would appreciate advice on this.
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    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 18th Oct 19, 12:16 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 12:16 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 12:16 PM
    See information on permitted work:
    https://www.scope.org.uk/advice-and-support/permitted-work/

    "Any work (including self-employment), for an unlimited period, as long as you donít earn more than £20 a week (the permitted work lower limits)."
    https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Employment-and-Support-Allowance-Permitted-Work/What-is-permitted-work-Employment-and-Support-All
    https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Permitted-Work-Rules

    It's your decision as to whether you notify or not.
    If you do, I would suggest completing the ESA permitted work form, and explaining that it is more an occasional recuperative hobby, than "work", which as a by-product brings in a few quid.
    Going down this route is less likely to create difficultly than if a DWP telephone call handler misunderstands and gets the wrong end of the stick.

    How do you receive the money?
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 18-10-2019 at 12:19 PM.
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    • Ostrava
    • By Ostrava 18th Oct 19, 1:04 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 1:04 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 1:04 PM
    Thank you Alice, that's useful info. I haven't actually received the money yet but it will soon be paid into a Paypal account.

    It's nice that people have listened to my music, but the small amount of money it brought doesn't seem worth the potential problems with the DWP. If I release another record and permitted earnings go over the threshold it would be a nightmare.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 18th Oct 19, 5:35 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 5:35 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 5:35 PM
    If you don't report it, when they find out via data matching etc, you could face a hefty overpayment and a potential court date.

    But it's your choice, although any changes in circumstances have to be reported.
    • NedS
    • By NedS 18th Oct 19, 8:32 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 8:32 PM
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    • 18th Oct 19, 8:32 PM
    See information on permitted work:
    https://www.scope.org.uk/advice-and-support/permitted-work/

    "Any work (including self-employment), for an unlimited period, as long as you donít earn more than £20 a week (the permitted work lower limits)."
    https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-guides/Employment-and-Support-Allowance-Permitted-Work/What-is-permitted-work-Employment-and-Support-All
    https://www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Permitted-Work-Rules
    Originally posted by Alice Holt

    The limit for permitted work on ESA is currently £131.50/week, not £20/week so the OP is currently well within the permitted amounts. The £20 figure is a disregard for Income Support claimants.

    You should discuss this with your Work Coach at the jobcentre. They will give you the permitted work form to complete (very straight forward) and then you are covered. Permitted work such as this is absolutely encouraged by DWP and a valuable way to help you move forward in a constructive way. Well done, and good for you
    Last edited by NedS; 18-10-2019 at 8:34 PM.
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