WASPI Campaign .... State Pensions
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Or the MPs are quite clever. They know there is not even the slimmest chance of any changes happening but they have done their bit and put their names down to try and help those poor unfortunate women. Possible votes gained next time round.
But they'll lose votes as well. I tend to vote Labour but felt so strongly about this issue that I didn't vote for them this time round purely because of what I feel is their misguided and delusional support for WASPI.0 -
Does no-one else find it really worrying that we have elected several MPs gullible enough to fall for this. Or is it even more worryingly the case that they know the basis of the WASPI campaign is not true and still decide to back it? Or do they truly believe the lies they are telling.
I found it very worrying when I listened to the (I think) first debate headed by Mhairi Black back in January 2016.
Some of the things MPs were saying about what their constituents had told them made me so mad that I was shouting at the TV and frantically looking for a foam brick to throw.
I'm a late 1953 woman and know exactly what my post-1995 state pension age was and what it is now and how many months have been added because of the 2011 Act.
Either the women had been lying to their MPs (being kind, perhaps they were confused :whistle:) or the MPs had misunderstood what their constituents had told them.
Here's 2 of my posts going back to 2016:I watched most of the debate (whilst doing other stuff like cooking) and found it quite interesting.
One snippet stood out when a MP said one of her constituents had told her that she was originally due to get het state pension at age 62 + some months but woudn't now get it until she was 65.
That's a blatent lie.
I know because I - born Oct 1953 - was originally scheduled to reach SPA in April 2017 (aged 63 years and 6 months) and as a result of the 2011 changes my SPA will be July 2018 when I'm aged 64 and 9 months.
So anybody who was - as a result of the 1995 changes - expected to reach SPA before age 63 will definitely get their pension before age 65.
I shouted at the TV and brandished my wooden spoon at such misinformation/lies.I listened to the first parliamentary debate some months ago.
Some of the 'cases' that MPs stood up and told about were clearly lies.
I know my age and I know my original state pension age and revised pension age.
Some constituents had clearly misrepresented their positions to their MP.
I made this same point at the time of the debate - either on this thread or one of the others alos running.
To have to resort to lies to make your position worse than it actually is shows those women in a very poor light.0 -
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Either the women had been lying to their MPs (being kind, perhaps they were confused :whistle:) or the MPs had misunderstood what their constituents had told them.
It seems that lies and/or confusion are a hallmark of the entire campaign. Both, the women and their supportive MPs do the same. They come up with some unverified/unverifiable claim, put it out there as a fact, then repeat it ad nauseam and probably end up believing their stories themselves.
SNP MPs, for instance, keep peddling the lie that for £8 billion over five years we could return to the original timetable set out in the Pensions Act 1995, and that the NI Fund is predicted to have a £30bn surplus by end of 2017-18. I believe two of the 3 SNPs who made those claims last Wednesday sit on the Works & Pensions Select Committee, and have made those false claims again and again for several months - even though they were told in Parliament that their numbers are wrong.
I have no idea where they got the £30bn surplus idea from, as it's not in any of the NI Fund accounts or in the most recent Government Actuary Uprating report, laid before Parliament earlier this year. The £8bn is from a study the SNP had commissioned themselves. The study report is a bit wanting in its professionalism but it does make very clear that £8bn would only address those worst affected by the 2011 Act. That's less than 20% of all those affected by it, and WASPI have distanced themselves from the SNP proposal several months ago.
None of this stops the SNP from repeating the lies, and quite a few WASPI take them as gospel now.0 -
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Hardly getting the sympathy vote, is she? :rotfl:
I can now see why the Editorial Team didn't bother with a Forum thread!0 -
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Must be under development. Can you use Waspinator for now?Where's the WASPI repellent Bat spray when you need it!0 -
It seems that lies and/or confusion are a hallmark of the entire campaign. Both, the women and their supportive MPs do the same. They come up with some unverified/unverifiable claim, put it out there as a fact, then repeat it ad nauseam and probably end up believing their stories themselves.
If you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one, and tell it repeatedly. (Joseph Goebbels, inter alia multa.)
Corbyn's Labour believe that they are in the vanguard of a transition to a post-capitalist economy - which in practical terms means they can promise whatever they like. £60 billion, £8 billion, two thousand, they're all just numbers, and who's to say that 2 + 2 can't equal 5. In the post-capitalist economy everyone will get their fair share, regardless of age, gender or employment status; all this talk of State Pensions and National Insurance and deficits is pre-post-capitalist thinking. In the meantime we can give WASPI £60 billion without any cuts or tax rises simply by printing it, and this won't devalue the currency because look over there, a squirrel.
They don't care whether it gets them votes or not, if they cared about votes they wouldn't have elected Corbyn in the first place. The socialist revolution is inevitable and there was no need for people to vote for it in Russia, Poland or Hungary.0 -
Had a letter from my MP regarding WASPI debate in Parliament on 5 July.
He says that the debate was completely unprecedented as on this occasion the room was completely full and officials had to bring in extra chairs with many MPs having to stand. He says he has never witnessed this before in all his time in Parliament.
He says the WASPI campaign is gathering momentum:j and he has signed the cross party early day motion along with 183 other MPs. :T0
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