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    • davidwhiten
    • By davidwhiten 23rd Apr 19, 10:49 PM
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    Fed up of London
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    • 23rd Apr 19, 10:49 PM
    Fed up of London 23rd Apr 19 at 10:49 PM
    I'm a newbie here - had to join when I saw this forum, hello all.
    Like I'm sure many of you have just had it up to my ears with travelling. I spend 2hrs a day commuting on the tube stuck under an armpit and then have to criss cross the city for work. Cycling is difficult for health reasons and so I'm stuck.
    Nothing new there but took the wife to Paris for a rare treat, and saw they have these electric mopeds you can hire by the minute. Bit like the dockless cycles you see now but for mopeds. Apparently they might start in London soon but need some encouragement.
    So wondered what others thought and maybe they'll see this and get a move on. I've thought about buying a moped too btw.
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    • MalMonroe
    • By MalMonroe 24th Apr 19, 1:32 AM
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    Didn't you hear what Samuel Johnson said??? 'When a man be tired of London he be tired of life'. In my humble opinion, and I don't live in London but in my opinion, any kind of cycling in London is a mistake. It can be fatal. I've seen so many news reports of people being knocked off bikes and killed by big lorries and trucks, usually at left hand turns. But there could be some at right hand turns, too. For me, cycling of any kind would be a gigantic no no in London. Mopeds are just as deadly as pushbikes. And wouldn't you need to pay to learn and pass a test as well, with a moped? If you have health problems then I would certainly say, no don't do it. You could die, and I'm not even joking. Even without health problems I'd say no. Absolutely not!! That's what I think, anyway, since you asked. The idea is absolutely appalling. (And I've seen the drivers in Paris too - they are not good!)
    • zagubov
    • By zagubov 24th Apr 19, 7:06 AM
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    I wouldn't recommend cycling in London either. Drivers don't indicate when turning and a fair number of drivers may have learned to drive on the other side of the road.

    Drivers don't take cyclists into account. Don't do it.
    There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker
    • Mr_Singleton
    • By Mr_Singleton 24th Apr 19, 7:33 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 7:33 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 7:33 AM
    I've regularly cycled in London and never particularly had any issues. Sorry to say but a large number of cyclists have a death wish coupled with a fanatic cycle lobby and it no wonder cyclists always play the victims.

    Take a look at CycleGaz's YouTube channel "Silly Cyclists" to see what I mean about London Cyclists!

    It needs to be said!
    • suki1964
    • By suki1964 24th Apr 19, 7:58 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 7:58 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 7:58 AM
    I used to cycle in London , was no big deal other than the fumes. Was quite liberating being able to move forward whilst the cars were stationary, going nowhere

    You have to be very aware of whats happening around you at all times, concentrate on the road ahead and not just plug in the ear phones and get sucked into the music and make sure you can be seen, lights and high viz. Id feel safer on a cycle then on a moped tbh
    if you lend someone £20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it
    • davidwhiten
    • By davidwhiten 24th Apr 19, 10:36 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 10:36 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 10:36 AM
    Didn't you hear what Samuel Johnson said??? 'When a man be tired of London he be tired of life'. In my humble opinion, and I don't live in London but in my opinion, any kind of cycling in London is a mistake. It can be fatal. I've seen so many news reports of people being knocked off bikes and killed by big lorries and trucks, usually at left hand turns. But there could be some at right hand turns, too. For me, cycling of any kind would be a gigantic no no in London. Mopeds are just as deadly as pushbikes. And wouldn't you need to pay to learn and pass a test as well, with a moped? If you have health problems then I would certainly say, no don't do it. You could die, and I'm not even joking. Even without health problems I'd say no. Absolutely not!! That's what I think, anyway, since you asked. The idea is absolutely appalling. (And I've seen the drivers in Paris too - they are not good!)
    Originally posted by MalMonroe
    Yeah absolutely true about the tired thing, I love the city it's just travelling like a mad man that gets me going Should have said the health thing isn't huge, basically I'll aggravate my knee if I cycle a lot. Safety is a concern obviously but I dunno you do some reading around and see that the moped injuries aren't totally crazy, even comparable to the pedestrian numbers! Right now i'm thinking of all the time and money i could save!
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 24th Apr 19, 10:45 AM
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    I think those Lime scooters are a great idea. I don't think I have ever seen moped rental, how much are they a day? It's probably cheaper renting a whole moped! Surely you need a CBT to get one?
    • davidwhiten
    • By davidwhiten 24th Apr 19, 11:06 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 11:06 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 11:06 AM
    I think those Lime scooters are a great idea. I don't think I have ever seen moped rental, how much are they a day? It's probably cheaper renting a whole moped! Surely you need a CBT to get one?
    Originally posted by charlotte1994
    Well since you ask i've started to research this like a nerd! Apparently you need a CBT which is about £100+ for some hours training. But if you got your driving license before Feb 2001 then you can ride already. When I was in Paris the ones i saw were this company - cityscoot.eu, looks like 0.29 euros per minute over there
    • charlotte1994
    • By charlotte1994 24th Apr 19, 12:14 PM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 12:14 PM
    Well since you ask i've started to research this like a nerd! Apparently you need a CBT which is about £100+ for some hours training. But if you got your driving license before Feb 2001 then you can ride already. When I was in Paris the ones i saw were this company - cityscoot.eu, looks like 0.29 euros per minute over there
    Originally posted by davidwhiten
    Yeah I wouldn't recommend hiring one unless you can drive one fully and have a full license - I have a CBT (been on the road 3 years) and looked into hiring a scooter on holiday, you need a full license (which will cost 100s). The best idea for intercitiy travel (I think) is the Lime/electric scooters, rather than mopeds. We should have designated pathways for them, it would make things so much easier
    • walwyn1978
    • By walwyn1978 25th Apr 19, 6:15 AM
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    Well since you ask i've started to research this like a nerd! Apparently you need a CBT which is about £100+ for some hours training. But if you got your driving license before Feb 2001 then you can ride already. When I was in Paris the ones i saw were this company - cityscoot.eu, looks like 0.29 euros per minute over there
    Originally posted by davidwhiten

    Youíre right you CAN ride a 50cc scooter if you passed your test before 2001. But that doesnít mean you SHOULD. I rode in London in exactly the way you mentioned and did my CBT after about 4 months. It made me realise the mistakes Iíd made without realising and made me a better, safer rider. Youíre very vulnerable on a motorbike. Spend the money on the training - you give yourself more awareness.

    As an aside, Iíd also look to move up to full bike licence in the fullness of time as it stops you spending money every two years to renew your CBT and the CBT, as it says, is basic and the minimum, the full imparts much more knowledge and skills. But thatís a discussion for another day.
    • Voyager2002
    • By Voyager2002 25th Apr 19, 6:35 AM
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    Yeah absolutely true about the tired thing, I love the city it's just travelling like a mad man that gets me going Should have said the health thing isn't huge, basically I'll aggravate my knee if I cycle a lot. Safety is a concern obviously but I dunno you do some reading around and see that the moped injuries aren't totally crazy, even comparable to the pedestrian numbers! Right now i'm thinking of all the time and money i could save!
    Originally posted by davidwhiten

    How about an electric bicycle?

    Or even a light bicycle with really good gears?
    • davidwhiten
    • By davidwhiten 25th Apr 19, 11:04 AM
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    Youíre right you CAN ride a 50cc scooter if you passed your test before 2001. But that doesnít mean you SHOULD. I rode in London in exactly the way you mentioned and did my CBT after about 4 months. It made me realise the mistakes Iíd made without realising and made me a better, safer rider. Youíre very vulnerable on a motorbike. Spend the money on the training - you give yourself more awareness.

    As an aside, Iíd also look to move up to full bike licence in the fullness of time as it stops you spending money every two years to renew your CBT and the CBT, as it says, is basic and the minimum, the full imparts much more knowledge and skills. But thatís a discussion for another day.
    Originally posted by walwyn1978
    Def with you guys on the training, like driving a car...do your lessons first! Fair point about the electric assisted bikes, i have tried them but my knee still complains, eventually. I think 50cc mopeds or electric mopeds do suit me though given the distances i need to cover etc. Anyone have any views on insurance, theft, parking, running costs? I'm sure all concerns rather than showstoppers but what's the number one issue?
    • walwyn1978
    • By walwyn1978 25th Apr 19, 3:32 PM
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    Def with you guys on the training, like driving a car...do your lessons first! Fair point about the electric assisted bikes, i have tried them but my knee still complains, eventually. I think 50cc mopeds or electric mopeds do suit me though given the distances i need to cover etc. Anyone have any views on insurance, theft, parking, running costs? I'm sure all concerns rather than showstoppers but what's the number one issue?
    Originally posted by davidwhiten
    Insurance will come down if you do a full test not just CBT. Theft is likely to happen unless you lock it up securely (chain lock round something else - lamppost etc) EVERY TIME. 50cc stuff tends not to have strong steering locks so donít rely on that. Carole Nash is a decent broker for bike insurance and as a new biker this and the cost of setup will be your big cost. Even though youíre Ďonlyí running a 50cc and donít need to do so buy decent gloves with protection, donít just do what a lot of kids do and ride with wool or soft gloves. If you come off/get hit, youíll be grateful for the extra protection of proper bike gloves. Running costs on a 50cc are very low generally so thatís not a huge concern, budget a bit each month for repairs as you would with any vehicle and youíll be all right as and when something goes wrong.
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 25th Apr 19, 3:41 PM
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    I'm a newbie here - had to join when I saw this forum, hello all.
    Like I'm sure many of you have just had it up to my ears with travelling. I spend 2hrs a day commuting on the tube stuck under an armpit and then have to criss cross the city for work. Cycling is difficult for health reasons and so I'm stuck.
    Nothing new there but took the wife to Paris for a rare treat, and saw they have these electric mopeds you can hire by the minute. Bit like the dockless cycles you see now but for mopeds. Apparently they might start in London soon but need some encouragement.
    So wondered what others thought and maybe they'll see this and get a move on. I've thought about buying a moped too btw.
    Originally posted by davidwhiten
    Cycling has got a lot better in London since the introduction of the cycle super highways if there is a good one for most of your journey.

    Personally I wouldnít want to ride a motorbike in London.
    There isnít always room to filter and there are a lot of cyclists making it hard so the time advantage isnt really there.

    Iím sure you have considered moving or changing jobs.
    Is there a reason you canít move jobs?
    Is there any possibility of working from home some of the time?
    • davidwhiten
    • By davidwhiten 26th Apr 19, 7:09 PM
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    Insurance will come down if you do a full test not just CBT. Theft is likely to happen unless you lock it up securely (chain lock round something else - lamppost etc) EVERY TIME. 50cc stuff tends not to have strong steering locks so donít rely on that. Carole Nash is a decent broker for bike insurance and as a new biker this and the cost of setup will be your big cost. Even though youíre Ďonlyí running a 50cc and donít need to do so buy decent gloves with protection, donít just do what a lot of kids do and ride with wool or soft gloves. If you come off/get hit, youíll be grateful for the extra protection of proper bike gloves. Running costs on a 50cc are very low generally so thatís not a huge concern, budget a bit each month for repairs as you would with any vehicle and youíll be all right as and when something goes wrong.
    Originally posted by walwyn1978
    Hi there, thanks for that info it's super useful. Sounds like you've run a moped before, just wondering if you have also tried or researched electric mopeds? Sense that aside from running costs being lower (although as you say 50cc is already quite low), might be cheaper to insure?
    • walwyn1978
    • By walwyn1978 27th Apr 19, 12:16 PM
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    Hi there, thanks for that info it's super useful. Sounds like you've run a moped before, just wondering if you have also tried or researched electric mopeds? Sense that aside from running costs being lower (although as you say 50cc is already quite low), might be cheaper to insure?
    Originally posted by davidwhiten
    Ran a 50 for a few months then did CBT and full licence and went to Vespas and Lambrettas where Iíve been ever since, dalliance with a Royal Enfield aside. Never looked at or researched electric scooters though, sorry. Iíd assume there would be some kind of messageboard or forum focussed on them? Certainly worth a Google. Good luck with it all.
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