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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 15th Jan 18, 12:45 PM
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    KonMari 2018 & 2019 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 15th Jan 18, 12:45 PM
    KonMari 2018 & 2019 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 15th Jan 18 at 12:45 PM
    Since there seems to be a few new threads being started in case old ones are accidentally lost, shall I do the same for KonMari?

    Here's the links to the old threads with thanks to VfM4meplse and greent

    2017

    2016

    2015


    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.

    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.

    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.

    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.


    From the 2016 thread

    How/ Where Can I Dispose of My Unwanted Items?

    It is vitally important to make sure that you dispose of your unwanted items asap - less chance of any doubts creeping in and items making their way back!


    To make money and/ or save items from landfill, you may find the following ideas useful:

    Money Making:

    www.ebay.co.uk - am sure many will use this already. Be careful of fees - ebay now charge final value fees (FVF) on your postage as well as the amount which the items sells for.

    www.ziffit.com - can sell any unwanted books, CDs, DVDs & games. Download the app onto your smartphone/ tablet for ease of use - scan the barcodes and it will tell you if the item is accepted and what price they will give you. For even more money, go through a cashback site first (such as www.topcashback.co.uk or www.quidco.com) (tip: save your accepted items in your virtual 'cart'. If you have any items which they initially refuse, try re-scanning these several days later - I find about another 20-50% of previously unaccepted items go through on another attempt!)


    www.preloved.co.uk - Quidco are currently offering 60p to new members to Preloved (Jan 2016); plus you get 10p for posting a new advert. It's free to join and post adverts to Preloved, you can post things for sale or free to a good home so might be an alternative to eBay, free cycle, facebook selling pages to offload unwanted, unloved items. All free ads include a photo and private ads are completely free, no listing fees, no selling fees and no catches


    www.gumtree.com - free online classified ad site


    Recycling/ Reusing Items: (often raising funds for charities at the same time )

    Bras
    You can post them to the Breast Cancer charity here http://www.againstbreastcancer.org.uk/get-involved/fundraising/recycling/513/bra-recycling/ or you can go hand them in to a branch of Bravissimo.



    OR : raise funds for Nowzad Dogs - the only official animal charity in Afghanistan: http://www.nowzad.com/help-us/bras-for-nowzad/


    Unwanted pens
    You can post your unwanted pens to people overseas to help schools and orphanages via http://www.pensforkids.co.uk/how_you_can_help.html


    Ink jet Printer Cartridges
    Can be dropped off at Sue Ryder stores or posted off freepost for a charity from wide list or Tesco club card points for you via http://www.therecyclingfactory.com
    /our-partners/


    Books & Music
    British Heart Foundation and Oxfam both do specialist charity shops that sell books and music so you could separate those donations to maximise the money the charities make



    Postcards: can raise money for Great Ormond St children's hospital. http://www.gosh.org/fundraise-us/shopping-and-recycling/recycling-and-environment


    Stamps: GOSH also take all stamps, special and everyday, as do the RNIB http://www.rnib.org.uk/donations-and-fundraising-fundraising-your-community-recycle-us/used-stamps-appeal


    Maternity items/ baby & children's clothing/ nursery furniture/ toiletries/ nappies - a baby bank (like a food bank, but maternity and child related items for families in crisis) Lots springing up around the country. Some independent, some part of a small network. http://www.babybanknetwork.com/how-you-can-help-2/ www.gloucestershirebundles.org http://www.littlebundles.org.uk/cambridge/donations Up to date list can be found on stripey stork's website


    Toiletries/ make-up/ clothing (women's and children's) - women's refuge centres. Google your local area for one - but be prepared you may have to drop off to a 3rd party point - for obvious reasons they do not always want to publicise their location! Or post to : http://www.carolinehirons.com/p/give-and-makeup.html to help women and children in the Southern/ London area

    charity shops
    ziffit
    ebay
    gumtree etc


    MoneySavingExpert.com insert 14 Jan 2019

    If you haven't already join the Forum to join in the challenge.

    This Forum tip was included in MoneySavingExpert.com's weekly email!
    Last edited by Slinky; 22-01-2019 at 8:32 AM. Reason: Add in list from 2016 of places to dispose of unwanted items, thanks for locating them greent
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    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 13th May 19, 8:30 AM
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    I seem to just be fattening our mice... they eat the peanutbutter off the traps, and the traps will not have caught them. The traps flip down fast enough when they see my fingers, but do not move for the mice!
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    • Sayschezza
    • By Sayschezza 13th May 19, 10:44 AM
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    Read The Borrowers when I was a child. Brilliant book and now when things go missing I know exactly who to blame.
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 13th May 19, 8:32 PM
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    I loved those books, too, it all made perfect sense to me. Where does Stuff go when it disappear? The fourth dimension? A worm-hole in the space/ time continuum? Down the back of the sofa? Eager minds wanna know.


    Have been decluttering weeds on the lottie this evening. Most pleasant way to spend a warm, sunny May eve.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • daisy 1571
    • By daisy 1571 14th May 19, 6:45 PM
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    The last kondoing story about the new kitchen. I'd gone up the road to clear my head, when I came back, a neighbour was chatting to two guys who were clearing stuff from "my" hippo bags. They took the old oven, the old hob, another old oven that the builder brought round, and the central light fitting. I thought they were from my builder, and I wanted a word with my neighbour, so I stopped, smiled, chatted, waited.

    Later on, my builder came round, and said no, they were "gypsies" (scrap metal guys, yes, no idea about the "gypsies" thing, sounds like so-called casual racism to me, though I confess I couldn't understand a word they said). I don't feel good about the stuff being basically stolen from my property - it belonged to me or my builder, not to them. And I can't believe the waste disposal firm would have scrapped the metal rather than recycling it.

    The old oven was huge, underneath a 5 burner hob, and before my builders arrived, I took out the shelves and the supports that slotted into the oven's sides - I've stashed them away, I can see them being pot plant supports, or greenhouse shelving this time next year. There were also two massive oven trays, very shallow - I put those by as well, for something gardening related. Either a plant saucer for several pots, or a bird bath, or a microgreens forest.
    Originally posted by Karmacat
    We had this too, scruffy old van with 2 guys trying to take our copper boiler from front garden saying "it's ok mate, the householder said we could take it". Saying this to Mr D, otherwise known as "the householder"!!! Dont worry karma, these guys would be taking the stuff to the same place as your builder/the hippo people would (and the same place i was taking our copper to) the local scrappy who gives you money and then they recycle it.. These guys dont take metal then dump it somewhere, they want the cash for it.

    Daisy xx
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    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 15th May 19, 5:04 PM
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    I loved those books, too, it all made perfect sense to me. Where does Stuff go when it disappear? The fourth dimension? A worm-hole in the space/ time continuum? Down the back of the sofa?..........
    Originally posted by GreyQueen
    STILL on the embroidery scissor hunt, and I found an old £1 and 10p wedged in the sofa frame.

    No scissors, but I'm on the way towards paying for the replacement
    Last edited by luxor4t; 15-05-2019 at 5:11 PM.
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    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 16th May 19, 9:08 PM
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    Managed to offload some of the books to members of the sailing club - if its free they'll have it lol! I was in a CS yesterday and asked if they were taking books and they are so the rest of them have been bagged up tonight for me to deposit there tomorrow. I did pick 2 or 3 to read but they will be donated too as soon as I've read them.
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 17th May 19, 6:58 AM
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    GreyQueen
    I'm dropping a small donation bag off after work today, too. Could wait until I have more items but I just want rid, space is pressing here.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

    • Pooky
    • By Pooky 17th May 19, 8:03 AM
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    6 books and 3 puzzles out to the village hall, a handful of DVDs too, all of which were snapped up before I got them on the shelves. Our village hall has a book/puzzle area and you just pop a donation in the pot and take what you like then you can pop them back on the shelf when you're finished with them. Every now and then they drop the whole lot off to charity and it all builds up again, which means you don't end up with the same stuff sitting about for months.

    Had another pass through my chest of drawers and 3 pairs of baggy leggings, a few vest tops I'd saved for decorating and some uncomfortable underwear all went in the rag bag and dropped off at the CS.

    The garage has now been properly organised for our upcoming move and the few final bits that needed to go were listed on local FB pages yesterday, a couple of bits were free and got snapped up straight away, the rest were sold on and all collected within a few hours. I do love it when it works out like that.
    "Start every day off with a smile and get it over with" - W. C. Field.
    • choose wisely
    • By choose wisely 17th May 19, 3:00 PM
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    choose wisely
    I am still struggling 5 years into the process. I was making good progress when I think about how much has gone since the start.

    Youngest daughter moved back to the area Christmas week and despite selling bedroom furniture, almost new washing machine, a large TV, 2 fridge freezers and dining table a lot of stuff made its way to my house.

    She didn't need to take anything other than clothes and personal items to her new home as her partner already had sufficient but did take her bed for the spare room.

    I am making some progress but wondering how to get rid of books and especially textbooks, some mine, some hers. I have tried local free sites with limited success for some (probably about 300 gone) but no response at all for many. Charity shops appear overloaded and don't want textbooks. Any suggestions?

    Thanks
    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 17th May 19, 3:11 PM
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    Choose wisely, your dd is breaking the kondo rule of not storing stuff at your parents'!

    It is her stuff, so she should have been the one to get rid. I think you can consider anything she returned or gave to you, yours. Any profit you make selling it, should also be yours
    Last edited by Siebrie; 17-05-2019 at 3:13 PM.
    2019's wi-wa-wombles € 381,16= £ 340.23
    Wombling to wealth 2018 € 972,97 = £ 879.54
    Still a womble 2017 #25 € 7116,68 = £ 6309.50
    Wombling Free 2016 #2 € 3.483,31 = £ 2,969.05
    • Pooky
    • By Pooky 17th May 19, 4:28 PM
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    If the text books are still current then donate to a school/college/uni maybe?

    I have no issues with recycling books too, if no one wants them or they're out of date then at least by recycling them they get another go round in another format.
    "Start every day off with a smile and get it over with" - W. C. Field.
    • greent
    • By greent 17th May 19, 8:00 PM
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    greent
    Nothing's really leaving here atm - but nothing's really coming in, either (except DD's stuff back from uni) (although it's DS3's bday next week...… more Leg0!) - too busy/ tired to shop/ KM. Half term in a week - have plans to list somethings on fb00k and flebay then and hopefully shift some things via that way and CS
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    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 17th May 19, 9:08 PM
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    Today the furniture CS turned down two dining chairs (wheelback style) because they only take sets of 4 + and with a table. They accepted the lone table earlier the year - should have organised ourselves better!

    There are two more shops, further away, to try tomorrow - really don't want to have to send the chairs to recycling as they are in good condition, just surplus now that we've been given a set that are more suited to our needs.
    Last edited by luxor4t; 17-05-2019 at 9:41 PM.
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    • DawnW
    • By DawnW 18th May 19, 8:11 AM
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    Today the furniture CS turned down two dining chairs (wheelback style) because they only take sets of 4 + and with a table. They accepted the lone table earlier the year - should have organised ourselves better!

    There are two more shops, further away, to try tomorrow - really don't want to have to send the chairs to recycling as they are in good condition, just surplus now that we've been given a set that are more suited to our needs.
    Originally posted by luxor4t

    Might your local freecycle or freegle groups be a solution?

    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 18th May 19, 12:23 PM
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    Might your local freecycle or freegle groups be a solution?
    Originally posted by DawnW
    DH had an idea so we took them to the Tip Treasures shop at the recycling centre
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    • NuffinisFree
    • By NuffinisFree 19th May 19, 12:00 PM
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    Hello
    Hello everyone,


    First can i say Oh my, I'm glad to find this forum on moneysavingexperts. I've been googling for days about some questions i had on the Konmarie method and all i've found is the same thing in her book on a gillion webpages and blogs.


    Second, sorry i've only read back a few pages and dont know everyone and their stories. I know some people are going through bad times and are trying to find some support here and others are here just for the company i expect, whatever the reason or circumstant i just want to wish everyone good luck on their progress.


    Third and the main point - I've come here today to ask the lovely community for some info, advise or even just to share your expereince.
    Marie Kondo says to discard first then organise.
    Please can someone tell me what does she mean by discarding? Is it just to decide what you want to keep and what not to keep?
    Or does she mean choose what to keep and get rid of whatever is left by either donating, selling, fixing it.



    Its just that i've started the process and now have a pile of clothes that i want to donate, ebay, alter. The same with books, papers, and some komono.
    I dont know what to do, its all starting to get a bit much and muddle up.
    Should I carry on with the catergories and just choose what keep or stop after each catergory and do what ever I need to do to the item to techincally discard it i.e. take it to the charity shop, get it fixed.


    What have people found that works best
    • greent
    • By greent 19th May 19, 1:56 PM
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    Hello and welcome, NuffinisFree

    I generally did a category and then got rid of things from it (sold/ donated/ recycled etc) and then did the next category. Sometimes the process overlaps (eg: having a pending pile to take to the CS at a convenient future point so carry on sorting in the meantime) The important thing to ensure you don't get stuck is to have an exit plan for your discards - and then implement the plan! If you choose to sell but don't do it quickly, the process stalls and you can become unstuck and almost back to where you started.

    Once you are further through/ completed, it is easier to maintain pending discard piles (eg: I always have a 'CS' bag/ box on the go, but only take it there when it is full - sometimes it can get filled in a week, sometimes not for a month or so)
    I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul
    Repaid mtge early (orig 11/25) 01/09 £124616 01/10 £104927 01/11 £89873 01/12 £76317 01/13 £52546 01/14 £35356 01/15 £12133 07/15 £NIL
    BTL Mtge 12/16 £69786 12/18 £54829 2019 OPs (#18) £1972.10/£5K
    Net sales 2019 £173.62/£500
    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 19th May 19, 3:05 PM
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    Karmacat
    Its just that i've started the process and now have a pile of clothes that i want to donate, ebay, alter. The same with books, papers, and some komono.
    I dont know what to do, its all starting to get a bit much and muddle up.
    Should I carry on with the catergories and just choose what keep or stop after each catergory and do what ever I need to do to the item to techincally discard it i.e. take it to the charity shop, get it fixed.

    What have people found that works best
    Originally posted by NuffinisFree
    I've bolded your answer our homes are generally more spacious than those in Japan, especially Tokyo, but sorting and tidying need space in themselves! If you know for sure that something is in the discard pile, then discard it. And if Marie Kondo says something that makes things inconvenient for you, then do it differently you'll find a very accepting attitude on this thread, don't worry

    Often, the thing that encourages you/ me to keep going, is that you start to see the space, things start to feel less cluttered, more open, well before you've finished. If I were you right now, I'd attend to the discards you've already identified (except ebay, for me that takes such a long time) first, before anything else, whether it's rubbish bin, charity shop, local homeless shelter, facebook selling page, alterations pile.

    And good for you for keeping going in spite of the muddle - I bet you find it a breeze now
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    • NuffinisFree
    • By NuffinisFree 20th May 19, 8:18 AM
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    Thanks, greent and Karmacat,


    I think my issue with the discard piles are that i'm not sure whether I want to get rid of the items. I'm not sure what sparks joy and what doesn't, I find myself second-guessing things.


    Theres a scene from runaway bride I think were they ask 'How do you like your eggs', that how i feel. I dont think i know what i like as i've stuck with whatever was available at the time.



    Having said that i think your suggestion of doing one catergy at a time and ensuring the discarded items are gone will probably be better. At least that way i'll have some space for breathing and thinking.


    Karmacat - Ebaying is hard, i started almost 7 years ago and at first everytime I tidied a drawer it some how got filled up again. So i started to leave things where they were when listing which was so frustrating as i kept seeing them every day. Since reading the Konmarie method i've now listed items, packed them up and put them in the garage so they are out of sight. I know where they are if they sell, hopefully at the end of the process if the items have not sold i'm just going to donate the rest.


    If your short on time try and bulk list items and put in the description that your willing to sell items individually if people want something they can message you.
    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 20th May 19, 11:27 AM
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    Welcome, Nuffinisfree.

    A question we regularly pose ourselves here: is it really worth the hassle? Is the amount I might get for this item really worth my energy and annoyance?

    All my stuff gets donated, either to my parents for further distribution (they are part of an informal church charity network), the local secondhand shop, or husband's relatives in Africa. I hate online shopping and selling

    If you need the funds, maybe you can try once, and give yourself a deadline? Or wear the old clothes, or the items you don't like very much, around the house, and change into nice clothes when you see other people?

    I agree with greent and Karmacat to keep things moving. Maybe sort 15 minutes, divide into correct piles 15 minutes, ebay 15 minutes, go to dump and charity shop 30 minutes? As you can see, I have allocated quite a bit of time to the rehoming part of the process, because for me that is the time it takes.
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    Still a womble 2017 #25 € 7116,68 = £ 6309.50
    Wombling Free 2016 #2 € 3.483,31 = £ 2,969.05
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