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    • Perhaps
    • By Perhaps 17th May 19, 4:39 PM
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    Suppliers installing smart meters for new customers
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    • 17th May 19, 4:39 PM
    Suppliers installing smart meters for new customers 17th May 19 at 4:39 PM
    Moved into a new property which has a strange setup. Oil central heating, so only an electric meter, in a very awkward place. An economy 7 meter, coming on Spark Energy's default tariff of about 23p/kWh daytime rate. Given the oil heating, we use very minimal electricity during the night.

    To sort out this mess, it would make sense to switch to a smart meter and then to a normal tariff. It seems all the suppliers are advertising smart meters for their existing customers. Are there any suppliers which will fit smart meters for new customers, rather than waiting months?

    I saw Bulb has a 'smart tariff', but that seems to be targeted at electric cars, with a peak evening rate of about 44p/kWh is scarily worse than economy 7, especially given our main load is the electric oven. (For the record, the old place was on a single-rate tariff of about 10.8p/kWh from iSupplyEnergy). I've also found Agile Octopus, which looks slightly better (more variability, max 35p/kWh in the peak). I'm unclear if there are minimum contract terms for these (or whether we can get a smart meter fitted and then switch away - happy to pay a 30 severance fee if needed).

    Are there any other suppliers who will fit smart meters for new customers, rather than just putting them on a waiting list?
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    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 17th May 19, 4:51 PM
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    Why not just switch to a sensible non-E7 tariff and start saving immediately? Just because you have an E7 meter doesn't mean you have to be on E7. You just give the new supplier night and day readings and they do the sums.

    Of course if your new supplier is keen to fit one then you'll get one, but having one is not a prerequisite for getting off a ludicrous tariff.

    I've just moved to SSE for gas and apparently they'll want to fit smart meters....no calls about it yet though.
    Last edited by Talldave; 17-05-2019 at 4:53 PM.
    • Perhaps
    • By Perhaps 17th May 19, 4:57 PM
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    That's an option, however reading the meter would still require a stepladder and risk of lacerations. The in-home display would make it a lot easier to keep track of what energy is being used.

    (Spark have also decided that the previous occupant used 14000kWh per year and thus set the monthly direct debit to 200. A smart meter might mean they get the message that the usage is nowhere near that without having to wait until winter)
    • Houbara
    • By Houbara 17th May 19, 5:22 PM
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    You don t have to mess around switching meters.All smart Eco 7 meters will be accepted by every other supplier who offers Eco 7, as a normal dumb meter.
    I checked Eco 7 tariffs a couple of days ago and there were a few suppliers where they would be the cheapest in the UK against single tariff billing even with an Eco 7 tariff using less than 20% night rate..eg Symbio, Bulb ( with the referral fee of 50 and Yorkshire Energy stood out as the best deals.
    Symbio rates for South Yorks were Day /13.35 kwh..Night 11p kwh and only 10.50 p daily charge..Yorkshire Energy prices were similar.
    Personally I use an extending mirror to reach awkward placed meters, smart or dumb and rarely failed to get a reading as a meter reader for 20 years
    Last edited by Houbara; 17-05-2019 at 5:24 PM.
    • Perhaps
    • By Perhaps 17th May 19, 9:28 PM
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    Unfortunately the meter is cunningly concealed behind a hatch, which is only accessible via a complicated sliding motion, when standing on a stepladder and leaning over a ledge at a dangerous angle. It's really not safe to do this on a regular basis.

    That Symbio tariff isn't bad - I'm happy to look at E7 tariffs, but need to fix the meter issue first.
    (the property is rented, hence I can't rip up the installation and start again).
    • DawnCrush
    • By DawnCrush 18th May 19, 4:41 AM
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    • 18th May 19, 4:41 AM
    Factual clarification
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    • 18th May 19, 4:41 AM
    Why not just switch to a sensible non-E7 tariff and start saving immediately? Just because you have an E7 meter doesn't mean you have to be on E7. You just give the new supplier night and day readings and they do the sums....
    Originally posted by Talldave
    That is, on the face of it, a misrepresentation of the general situation, which appears to be based on your very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers.

    Only a handful of suppliers actually support that possibility; the vast majority do not.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th May 19, 6:21 AM
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    That is, on the face of it, a misrepresentation of the general situation, which appears to be based on your very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers.

    Only a handful of suppliers actually support that possibility; the vast majority do not.
    Originally posted by DawnCrush

    Welcome to the forum.


    I have an E7 meter and a non-E7 tariff. and I personally have had accounts with British Gas, E-on and OVO(my present supplier) who all use the method described by 'Tall Dave' i.e. If I use, say, 1,000kWh on the day register(peak) and 200kWh on the off-peak, I am billed for 1,200kWh at the single non-7 rate.


    Others on this forum have reported that many other companies adopt the above method. see https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5608072







    While I also might have only a 'very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers.' the only company I have used that does not allow adding of the two registers is Scottish Power.
    Last edited by Cardew; 18-05-2019 at 6:28 AM.
    • Nebulous2
    • By Nebulous2 18th May 19, 8:41 AM
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    You might not get a smart meter. I have a relative with an awkwardly placed high level meter at the top of their stair. They accepted their utility company’s offer of a smart meter and when the installer arrived he refused to fit it as he said it wouldn’t be safe for him to do so.
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 18th May 19, 9:04 AM
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    That is, on the face of it, a misrepresentation of the general situation, which appears to be based on your very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers.

    Only a handful of suppliers actually support that possibility; the vast majority do not.
    Originally posted by DawnCrush
    Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with the facts that back up your potentially sweeping statement (or is it a misrepresentation?).

    To reiterate, I've been buying energy for over 30 years, have never used an E7 tariff and every property I've lived in has had an E7 meter. I've never encountered a supplier who was unable to handle the non-E7 use of an E7 meter. I've used big suppliers (npower, Eon,EDF, British Gas) and not so big (Ovo, Zog, So, Affect, Pure Planet that I can remember).

    I'm keen learn how come my very limited experience has left me with such an erroneous view of the market. It's a shame you've only joined MSE in the last few hours because you've obviously got so much more knowledge than I've managed to acquire from almost 13 years reading & contributing.

    So for the benefit of everyone, perhaps you could quantify your figures?

    What is "a handful"?

    What is "the vast majority"?

    I'm sure with that information myself and others will be able to see where our years of misunderstanding and misrepresentation have come from.
    • DawnCrush
    • By DawnCrush 18th May 19, 9:16 AM
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    Welcome to the forum.


    I have an E7 meter and a non-E7 tariff. and I personally have had accounts with British Gas, E-on and OVO(my present supplier) who all use the method described by 'Tall Dave' i.e. If I use, say, 1,000kWh on the day register(peak) and 200kWh on the off-peak, I am billed for 1,200kWh at the single non-7 rate.


    Others on this forum have reported that many other companies adopt the above method. see [link removed]







    While I also might have only a 'very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers.' the only company I have used that does not allow adding of the two registers is Scottish Power.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    May I first thank you for your welcoming me to this forum.

    So to clarify, based on your admitted "very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers", you have already uncovered at least one supplier from the four suppliers you are any experience with (4 suppliers represents only about 5% of the total number of electricity suppliers) that does not support the assertion of "Talldave".
    I thank you for that confirmation, as limited as it is.

    I have taken the opportunity to check out the thread you have also referred me to.

    Perhaps I can summarise that thread as follows:

    1. The OP there only has information on the following suppliers:

    a) Npower - says 'yes' as stated by one MSEer, but I'm not sure I agree with that. There are posts on this site to the contrary, but I am not allowed to post links

    b) Scottish Power - Says unsure, but probably No. You also confirm No.

    c) Iresa - Says Yes. But they are no longer trading. When that post was made, I will tell you that in the majority, if not all, of supply regions, any customer of that supplier would always be better off on E7 than the equivilent single rate tariff irrespective of usage. So perhaps the supplier would agree, but it would not be in customers interest in the vast majority of cases. (See also post#5 of thread)

    d) Avro - says yes, but that is incorrect.
    The confusion possibly arose as the Avro E7 tariff has the same unit rate for both high & low usage, which also coincides with that unit rate that applies to their single rate tariff. Same applies for their daily standing charge. (So, effectively the same outcome, but if you have an E7 meter, you will be placed on their E7 tariff)

    e) Eon - says Yes. I agree

    f) British Gas - says Yes. I agree

    g) Sainsburys - Says Yes. But at the time of the post, Sainsburys was a white label of BG, so I would not seek to disagree with the answer at that time. However, today Sainsburys is a white label of PS Energy UK Limited, (who yopu may know better as Powershop), a wholly owned subsidiary of Npower. See (a) above.

    h) Affect Energy - Says yes. I have no experience of this small supplier, so cannot comment. Assume correct.

    The responses within that thread go on to include these further suppliers:

    i) Flow Energy - indicated as Yes. I have no experience of this small supplier, so cannot comment. Assume correct.

    j) RHE & Ebico - indicated as Yes. I believe this to be correct

    k) EDF - indicated as Yes, but I'm not sure I agree with that. There are posts on this site to the contrary, but I am not allowed to post links

    l) UW - indicated as believed to be yes. I have no experience of this supplier, so cannot comment. (I'm not sure we can discuss this supplier here anyway)

    m) Everwarm - indicated as Yes, although question over it was intentional. I've never even heard of this electricity supplier.
    Maybe they meant Eversmart? In which case they operate a similar tariff structure to Avro.

    n) Usio - indicated as Yes. Another supplier that has since ceased to trade.

    o) Utility Point - Indicates as yes. But UP does not even seem to offer any E7 tariffs any more (as least in the supply regions I've checked). So probably you have to have a single rate tariff with them.

    p) Peoples Energy - says Yes. I have no experience of this supplier, so cannot comment. Assume correct.

    q) Bulb Energy - says No (although they may have done in the past). I agree

    r) Yorkshire Energy - says Yes. Another supplier who, in at laest a number of regions, customers will always be better off on their E7 tariff than their equivilent single rate tariff. (see post#22 as an example)

    s) First Utility - says Yes. I believe this to be correct

    t) Octopus - says Yes. I believe this to be correct

    So that is 20 suppliers listed in a thread specifically asking "Which Suppliers Allow Single Rate Elec Tariffs on Dual Reading (Economy 7) Meter", of which
    9 - yes without challenge (includes those suppliers I have no experience of)
    4 - yes, but disputed
    2 - Yes , but it is actually an E7 tariff, only charges the same for high & low rates
    1 - yes, but why you you?
    2 - no, without challenge
    2 - no longer trading

    So there is only agreement on less than half of the 20 suppliers mentioned as supporting the billing method. And there are another approx. 50 suppliers that thread does not mention at all. (SSE being a notable exception of the Big 6 who do not support the method of billing)
    • DawnCrush
    • By DawnCrush 18th May 19, 9:18 AM
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    Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with the facts that back up your potentially sweeping statement (or is it a misrepresentation?).

    To reiterate, I've been buying energy for over 30 years, have never used an E7 tariff and every property I've lived in has had an E7 meter. I've never encountered a supplier who was unable to handle the non-E7 use of an E7 meter. I've used big suppliers (npower, Eon,EDF, British Gas) and not so big (Ovo, Zog, So, Affect, Pure Planet that I can remember).

    I'm keen learn how come my very limited experience has left me with such an erroneous view of the market. It's a shame you've only joined MSE in the last few hours because you've obviously got so much more knowledge than I've managed to acquire from almost 13 years reading & contributing.

    So for the benefit of everyone, perhaps you could quantify your figures?

    What is "a handful"?

    What is "the vast majority"?

    I'm sure with that information myself and others will be able to see where our years of misunderstanding and misrepresentation have come from.
    Originally posted by Talldave
    I trust my previous post answers all the questions you have posed

    You may have 13 years of reading this site, but from your posting record, you appear to have had an almost 7 year break (save for 2 posts) in contributing (posting) from the period Dec 2012 and April 2019 using this particular user account.
    And the user account you are currently using indicates it was only created in September 2009, less than 10 years ago.

    Zog energy has never even supplied electricity

    I wish you all a very good day
    Last edited by DawnCrush; 18-05-2019 at 9:26 AM.
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 18th May 19, 9:27 AM
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    I trust my previosu post answers all the questions you have posed

    You may have 13 years of reading this site, but from your posting record, you appear to have had an almost 7 year break (save for 2 posts) in contributing (posting) from the period Dec 2012 and April 2019 using this particular user account.
    And the user account you are currently using indicates it was only created in September 2009, less than 10 years ago.

    Zog energy has never even supplied electricity
    Originally posted by DawnCrush
    I asked two questions, which you didn't answer. So no.

    It's also impressive that after just a handful of hours' membership you've found your way around the site's membership information pages. Not sure why you bothered. What's the relevance of when I created my account?

    It's funny though, that after a decade of membership when nobody made any reference to my membership stats, twice within a period of a few weeks two different users start quoting my stats at me in some kind or trivial, supercilious, childish and remarkably similar points scoring way.

    Which is a shame because the vast majority of MSE members are polite, courteous and share their experiences in a positive way, which means we all learn and better ourselves.
    Last edited by Talldave; 18-05-2019 at 10:23 AM.
    • Pagett
    • By Pagett 18th May 19, 11:23 AM
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    Perhaps you'd care to enlighten us with the facts that back up your potentially sweeping statement (or is it a misrepresentation?).

    To reiterate, I've been buying energy for over 30 years, have never used an E7 tariff and every property I've lived in has had an E7 meter. I've never encountered a supplier who was unable to handle the non-E7 use of an E7 meter. I've used big suppliers (npower, Eon,EDF, British Gas) and not so big (Ovo, Zog, So, Affect, Pure Planet that I can remember).

    I'm keen learn how come my very limited experience has left me with such an erroneous view of the market. It's a shame you've only joined MSE in the last few hours because you've obviously got so much more knowledge than I've managed to acquire from almost 13 years reading & contributing.

    So for the benefit of everyone, perhaps you could quantify your figures?

    What is "a handful"?

    What is "the vast majority"?

    I'm sure with that information myself and others will be able to see where our years of misunderstanding and misrepresentation have come from.
    Originally posted by Talldave
    You appear to have been totally pwnd, mate

    Here are just o couple of past examples of EDF customers stating that EDF will not provide a single rate tariff when on an E7 meter (but EDF do not charge to change the meter to a single rate one)
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3168950
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3990393

    This is what uSwitch say in general (for all suppliers):

    Switching from Economy 7

    If you want to switch from Economy 7 to a standard electricity tariff, you will need to contact your electricity supplier to find out more about the process. This is because you will probably need to fulfil some acceptance criteria to make the switch.


    You may also have to have a new meter installed, which your energy supplier will often charge you for. In some circumstances you may be able to arrange to carry on using your Economy 7 meter; again, your current supplier should be able to tell you if this is the case.


    When you do your comparison with uSwitch, we ask if you have Economy 7 - if you say that you do, we'll tailor your results so you only see relevant tariffs....
    https://www.uswitch.com/gas-electricity/guides/economy-7/

    Even more surprising is what Ovo say, based on your claims about their ability to supply a single rate tariff when you have an E7 meter

    Ive already got Economy 7 but Id like to switch back to a normal rate what should I do?

    Once again, get in touch with your energy supplier. Youll probably need to have a new meter installed, and there may be a charge for this....
    https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/economy-7.html

    But nothing can beat this claim you made about Zog Energy being able to handle the non-E7 use of an E7 meter

    ...

    Zog energy has never even supplied electricity
    Originally posted by DawnCrush




    I asked two questions, which you didn't answer. So no.

    It's also impressive that after just a handful of hours' membership you've found your way around the site's membership information pages. Not sure why you bothered. What's the relevance of when I created my account?

    It's funny though, that after a decade of membership when nobody made any reference to my membership stats, twice within a period of a few weeks two different users start quoting my stats at me in some kind or trivial, supercilious, childish and remarkably similar points scoring way.

    Which is a shame because the vast majority of MSE members are polite, courteous and share their experiences in a positive way, which means we all learn and better ourselves.
    Originally posted by Talldave
    You seem to have asked at least 4 questions, unless I can't count.
    (and for the record, I do consider the reply does address, directly or indirectly, all those 4 questions you posed)

    It seems to me it was you that first brought up the subject in this thread of your alleged long time reading and contributing to this site, whilst at the same time posting disparaging comments regarding the Newbie

    Have you ever heard the saying that begins "People in glass houses ..."?
    • Pagett
    • By Pagett 18th May 19, 11:54 AM
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    The only other person who I can find on this site who seems to agree that EDF will willingly provide one of their single single rate tariffs despite being on an E7 meter is user Bark01.

    I am sure it is a pure coincidence that this other user just so happened to join this site 2 days before you did, some 9+ years ago.

    Anyway, here is the thread where that claim is made
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4483253

    ... and as you can see, that claim was questioned in that thread too by a couple of MSEers (thread from 2013)


    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th May 19, 3:22 PM
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    Y

    Even more surprising is what Ovo say, based on your claims about their ability to supply a single rate tariff when you have an E7 meter

    https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/energy-guides/economy-7.html


    Ive already got Economy 7 but Id like to switch back to a normal rate what should I do?

    Once again, get in touch with your energy supplier. Youll probably need to have a new meter installed, and there may be a charge for this....
    Originally posted by Pagett





    As stated in my earlier post I am with OVO with an Economy 7 meter and have a non Economy 7 tariff. I switched from E-on



    On my last bill in April I had used 310kWh on Day meter and 75kWh on Night meter, I was charged for 385kWh @ 11.39p/kWh.









    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 18th May 19, 3:49 PM
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    I fail to understand why reference is being made to switching from E7 to non-E7. That's not what I was talking about. As I have said earlier, I have never been on an E7 tariff, so have only ever switched from non-E7 to non-E7. All along, I have had an E7 meter and supply day and night readings. I can't explain that any clearer.


    I'm sorry that in thinking back to some of the energy suppliers I've used I mentioned Zog as they are, as has been pointed out, gas only. But I've used single fuel and duel fuel tariffs interchangeably and am unable to remember the exact deals I had with every supplier. However, it's easy to remember that I've never used an E7 tariff because for many years I used Excel spreadsheets to see if I ever got to the break even point.

    I'm sorry that I don't keep bills going back years, but here's a recent Ovo bill which apparently shows the impossible:

    https://ibb.co/nQrMhzy

    I really don't care who created accounts and when - I have just one and am quite happy with it thanks.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 18th May 19, 7:05 PM
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    Y

    It seems to me it was you that first brought up the subject in this thread of your alleged long time reading and contributing to this site, whilst at the same time posting disparaging comments regarding the Newbie
    Originally posted by Pagett

    I am sure I speak for a lot of posters on this forum who are full of admiration for your actions in defending a 'Newbie' so eloquently
    • Perhaps
    • By Perhaps 19th May 19, 9:17 AM
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    A related query. The meter in question has 'rate 1', 'rate 2', and 'both together' readings. Spark have put us on a default E7 tariff, and some suppliers' websites detect there's an E7 meter when giving quotes. But is there a way to sign up with a new supplier on a single-rate tariff using the 'both together' reading, and finishing up with the old supplier using the rate 1/2 readings? Obviously they won't match, which might cause troubles?

    Usually when I ask for a quote, the first thing a website asks is if I have an E7 meter (if they haven't already detected that) and then offers me E7 tariffs.
    • Talldave
    • By Talldave 19th May 19, 9:48 AM
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    A related query. The meter in question has 'rate 1', 'rate 2', and 'both together' readings. Spark have put us on a default E7 tariff, and some suppliers' websites detect there's an E7 meter when giving quotes. But is there a way to sign up with a new supplier on a single-rate tariff using the 'both together' reading, and finishing up with the old supplier using the rate 1/2 readings? Obviously they won't match, which might cause troubles?

    Usually when I ask for a quote, the first thing a website asks is if I have an E7 meter (if they haven't already detected that) and then offers me E7 tariffs.
    Originally posted by Perhaps
    In my "very limited experience of a small, select number of suppliers" I have always had to use the rate1/2 readings and the supplier adds them. My guess is that the info in the meter database tells them it's a dual rate meter and they're therefore obliged to take two readings. This is a guess, so if I'm wrong I'm sure the trolls will be along shortly to criticise.

    When you switch suppliers your readings are dealt with by some industry quango, which is non consumer facing and apparently answerable to nobody. They reserve the right to modify your final readings before returning them to your new supplier. On my last switch this organisation inexplicably changed my readings thus I was charged for more electricity at my old supplier's higher rate than I had used with them. I assume, therefore, that their incompetence extends to being unable to add to numbers together and hence owners of E7 meters are locked into using r1/r2 figures regardless of tariff.

    As a further interesting aside, my partner is currently responsible for a property where the total figure on the meter is not equal to the sum of r1 & r2.

    As for switching, use the comparison websites in non-E7 mode and when it comes to switching readings the supplier will realise you need to give two figures. Or just call your chosen supplier and, provided they're one of the "handful of suppliers" who support non-E7 tariffs with E7 meters, they'll advise how to proceed.

    So that's my attempt to be helpful but I'll apologise in advance for anything I've misunderstood or misrepresented thus hopefully giving the trolls and well-informed newbies less ammunition to criticise me with.
    Last edited by Talldave; 19-05-2019 at 9:55 AM.
    • Section106
    • By Section106 19th May 19, 10:32 AM
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    Moved into a new property which has a strange setup. Oil central heating, so only an electric meter, in a very awkward place. An economy 7 meter, coming on Spark Energy's default tariff of about 23p/kWh daytime rate. Given the oil heating, we use very minimal electricity during the night.
    Originally posted by Perhaps
    Notwithstanding the risk involved, have you been taking readings of what you are actually using during the cheap hours? And have you found out when the cheap hours are for your meter - which might not be the same as the published hours for your supplier/region.

    This time of year the E7 time might not finish until 8:30am. Which means if you have a routine that involves getting up and out of the house for work/school then a big chunk of your consumption (coffee making, breakfast cooking, hair drying/straightening, TV watching, power/electric showering, washing machine? etc) might be taking place in E7 hours.

    And if your meter is wrong, your E7 hours could be in the early evening when dinner is being cooked, not "during the night".

    But more importantly, have you checked to see whether you have an immersion heater for the hot water? With oil it is almost certain you have a hot water cylinder. If you have an immersion heater and don't need the central heating running full pelt through the summer then you might find it more economic to have the immersion heater running overnight to heat the hot water and reprogramme the oil boiler so it only tops up the hot water in the evening.

    However, if you need to leave the boiler on for central heating in the morning then bear in mind all the pumps, fans and other electrical equipment an oil system uses will also be consuming electricity in the E7 hours.

    That's why it is important to get readings showing your actual use during E7 hours, rather than just assuming you don't use much at night.
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