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    • Sweetie16
    • By Sweetie16 23rd Apr 19, 8:50 PM
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    Council tax reduction ?
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    • 23rd Apr 19, 8:50 PM
    Council tax reduction ? 23rd Apr 19 at 8:50 PM
    Basically I suffered a bleed on my brain in 2015 which weakened my left side . I was then diagnosed with a brain tumour 6 weeks later which has been treated but is still there . I still manage to work part time but am in receipt of pip . My partner works full time . The bleed has left me with difficulty in seeing properly and the tumour has given me cognitive problems . We pay full council tax are we entitled to a discount due to my problems ?
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    • venison
    • By venison 23rd Apr 19, 9:58 PM
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    • 23rd Apr 19, 9:58 PM
    Sorry to say that the answer is almost definitely no, hope things improve soon for you.
    "For the many not the few"
    • Sweetie16
    • By Sweetie16 24th Apr 19, 9:33 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 9:33 AM
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    • 24th Apr 19, 9:33 AM
    Thanks for advice . I donít even think my local council would not know about SMI reduction in all honesty . Itís just my surgeon has said that social functioning has dropped . Things with my health wonít improve but Iíll just get on with it 😉
    • gingertomantiques
    • By gingertomantiques 4th May 19, 8:00 AM
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    • 4th May 19, 8:00 AM
    gov.co uk
    council tax discounts for disabled people
    enter post code & follow link to your council as individual councils can vary

    The link will give you the criteria to be met, the easiest to meet is wheelchair space use,
    A room for your special needs is vague & open to interpretation,
    the others kitchen & bathroom require the room & a high cost

    Hope its useful
    • CIS
    • By CIS 4th May 19, 9:15 AM
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    • 4th May 19, 9:15 AM
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    • 4th May 19, 9:15 AM
    Council tax discounts for disability are still standardised across E,W and Scotland - as yet their not powers delegated to local authority to alter. A council cannot opt out of offering the discounts to residents.

    There are two discounts that may apply - the Disabled Band Reduction (which lowers the band by 1) and the Severely Mentally Impaired disregarded (which can give a 25% discount, 50% discount or exemption depending on the exact specifics of a person).
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 5th May 19, 4:39 PM
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    • 5th May 19, 4:39 PM
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    • 5th May 19, 4:39 PM
    I receive council tax reduction.
    This year it;s better as 1st year was only part discount for rest of 2017toApril2018.
    E.g.
    From this years total bill.
    Council tax reduction is 66.62 2019 to2020
    It took a few docs to upload via local council website, though as a starter call your council tax helpline who can help get your claim started.
    I don't have my council criteria in front of me, though I also work part time and receive pip as I have m.s.
    Hope you call and request help as from what you describe you could get some reduction.
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    • Sweetie16
    • By Sweetie16 5th May 19, 7:06 PM
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    I spoke to my council last week and they still havenít got around to even updating their info . For smi it states that you must be in receipt of higher rate DLA and no mention of PIP even though this replaced DLA . My doc has said that suffering a stroke which was as bad as mine people never do recover in the brain . Theyíve told me to get the forms off my council and see what they can do . Does that mean that weíve been entitled to this reduction since 2015 and have been paying full council tax and have been none the wiser ?
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 5th May 19, 8:31 PM
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    • 5th May 19, 8:31 PM
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    I don't know what smi is
    I do know that council tax reduction is calculated form claim date if all required doc's are received.
    It wasn't a refund for years offer, almost negligible difference.
    sc dmp 2012 13k Jan 2019 9880paid. 75%approx.
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    • CIS
    • By CIS 6th May 19, 7:41 AM
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    • 6th May 19, 7:41 AM
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    • 6th May 19, 7:41 AM
    I spoke to my council last week and they still haven’t got around to even updating their info . For smi it states that you must be in receipt of higher rate DLA and no mention of PIP even though this replaced DLA . My doc has said that suffering a stroke which was as bad as mine people never do recover in the brain . They’ve told me to get the forms off my council and see what they can do . Does that mean that we’ve been entitled to this reduction since 2015 and have been paying full council tax and have been none the wiser ?
    Originally posted by Sweetie16
    There are a whole range of qualifying benefit - if they state you have to be in receipt then they are incorrect (you just have to be 'entitled to' - although proving just entitlement is almost impossible). It may be backdated in certain circumstances.
    https://lgfa92.co.uk/council-tax-severely-mentally-impaired-smi/
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 6th May 19, 12:02 PM
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    We had a ground floor extension to enable me to have a wet-room and downstairs loo.
    Someone told me about the reduction so I phoned the council, explained my situation and asked. They sent a gentleman out to see exactly what we had done and he told me there and then that we were eligible for a discount (for disabled facilities) to a band lower than we were on.
    It wasn't backdated, but it was from the day/month I applied.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 6th May 19, 12:32 PM
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    I don't know what smi is
    Originally posted by Dandytf

    Severely Mentally Impaired.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 6th May 19, 12:58 PM
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    We had a ground floor extension to enable me to have a wet-room and downstairs loo.
    Someone told me about the reduction so I phoned the council, explained my situation and asked. They sent a gentleman out to see exactly what we had done and he told me there and then that we were eligible for a discount (for disabled facilities) to a band lower than we were on.
    It wasn't backdated, but it was from the day/month I applied.
    Originally posted by kpwll
    Rules on backdating are limited as it's treated slightly different to the normal council tax rules but there's no apparent reason why backdating couldn't have applied.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 6th May 19, 1:00 PM
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    I don't know what smi is
    Originally posted by Dandytf
    See post#9


    I do know that council tax reduction is calculated form claim date if all required doc's are received.
    It wasn't a refund for years offer, almost negligible difference.
    Council Tax Reduction has different rules on backdating compared to council tax discounts and exemptions.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • kpwll
    • By kpwll 7th May 19, 4:48 PM
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    Rules on backdating are limited as it's treated slightly different to the normal council tax rules but there's no apparent reason why backdating couldn't have applied.
    Originally posted by CIS
    We didn't ask for it to be backdated
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 7th May 19, 7:47 PM
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    https://www.mentalhealthandmoneyadvice.org/en/welfare-benefits/can-i-claim-welfare-benefits-if-i-m-living-with-a-mental-illness/council-tax-exemptions-and-support-to-pay/

    Exemption due to severe mental impairment

    The local authority can decide you do not need to pay council tax – this is called exemption.

    The council tax rules say that a person is exempt from council tax if they have a ‘severe mental impairment’. It says that ‘a person is severely mentally impaired if they have a severe impairment of intelligence and social functioning which appears to be permanent’.

    To get this, you need a doctor to sign a medical certificate that says you are severely mentally impaired, and you need to get one of the following benefits:

    Disability Living Allowance with the middle or highest rate care component,
    Personal Independence Payment Daily Living Component (standard or enhanced rate),
    Attendance Allowance,
    Severe Disablement Allowance,
    Employment and Support Allowance,
    Incapacity Benefit,
    Income Support or Jobseeker’s Allowance with a disability premium,
    Working Tax Credit with the disability element.

    How do I know if I am eligible for a council tax exemption?

    If you think several of the points below apply to you, we would advise applying for a council tax exemption.
    Mental health condition

    Do you have a severe and enduring mental illness, such as schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder?
    Does your mental health condition mean your thinking is disordered or slow?
    Do you have a small social circle, and find it difficult to trust people?

    PIP

    Do you claim PIP and score points for question 11 (Engaging with other people face to face)?
    This is a good indicator that your condition is impacting on your social functioning.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 7th May 19, 8:40 PM
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    To get this, you need a doctor to sign a medical certificate that says you are severely mentally impaired, and you need to get one of the following benefits:

    Straight away they've slipped in to a mistake - there is no requirement to 'get' a qualifying benefit, the relevant legislation does not require that. It requires only that a person be 'entitled'.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 8th May 19, 1:53 PM
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    Straight away they've slipped in to a mistake - there is no requirement to 'get' a qualifying benefit, the relevant legislation does not require that. It requires only that a person be 'entitled'.
    Originally posted by CIS
    Note that the quote is from an advice website not a council.
    • CIS
    • By CIS 8th May 19, 4:34 PM
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    Note that the quote is from an advice website not a council.
    Originally posted by sheramber

    It is but they should be giving correct information as otherwise all they do is confuse an already troublesome issue.
    I no longer work in Council Tax Recovery but instead work as a self employed Council Tax paralegal assisting landlords and Council Tax payers with council tax disputes and valuation tribunals. My views are my own reading of the law and you should always check with the local authority in question.
    • Sweetie16
    • By Sweetie16 10th May 19, 8:37 PM
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    So Iíve spoken to my council this week and they tried to fob me off by still saying it was DLA at the highest rate so I held in there and the snotty woman went off to get it checked not realising that PIP replaced this . Theyíve sent me a form which Iíve received today and itís crossed out with PIP now and states standard rate . Iíve got to fill it in and they will contact my GP who Iíve spoken to today and clarifies that Iím on their stroke list and suffered a cellebrum hemorrage back in 2015 and brain tumour Cavernous sinus meningioma diagnosed from this stroke in 2015 . Lasting damage and could relapse with bleed at anytime . Iíll fill the form in and see how I get on . Could be very interesting as Itís apparent my council donít want to part with money thatís actually entitled to be paid and their staff could do with some extra training .
    • KatrinaWaves
    • By KatrinaWaves 13th May 19, 2:45 PM
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    So Iíve spoken to my council this week and they tried to fob me off by still saying it was DLA at the highest rate so I held in there and the snotty woman went off to get it checked not realising that PIP replaced this . Theyíve sent me a form which Iíve received today and itís crossed out with PIP now and states standard rate . Iíve got to fill it in and they will contact my GP who Iíve spoken to today and clarifies that Iím on their stroke list and suffered a cellebrum hemorrage back in 2015 and brain tumour Cavernous sinus meningioma diagnosed from this stroke in 2015 . Lasting damage and could relapse with bleed at anytime . Iíll fill the form in and see how I get on . Could be very interesting as Itís apparent my council donít want to part with money thatís actually entitled to be paid and their staff could do with some extra training .
    Originally posted by Sweetie16
    Its not money being paid out, it simply reduces your council tax bill, there is no cash benefit.

    Honestly the way you are on this post shows that you will not qualify for this exemption. You are clearly not severely mentally impaired. I appreciate you have issues arising from your stroke but your mental cognition and intelligence seems higher than many other posters around the forum!
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