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    PC Gaming VS Console Gaming - What's your opinion
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    • 10th Dec 18, 9:33 AM
    PC Gaming VS Console Gaming - What's your opinion 10th Dec 18 at 9:33 AM
    What do you think is the best type of gaming? Do you prefer PC gaming or Console gaming?

    Here's the things to focus on

    Do you agree that mouse control is better with pc gaming when it comes to first person shooters, think of how the mouse controls the gun so much better than a console controler

    Then there's the entire genre of (MMORPG Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games where you need the keyboard controls to cast spells and to interact with the gameworld that I don't think consoles will ever be able to match

    Then there's always going to be the overall graphics quality is going to be much higher on a computer
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    • Nilrem
    • By Nilrem 30th Dec 18, 2:01 PM
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    Is that true ?
    Originally posted by DCFC79
    Only to certain degrees.

    IE low end PC graphics vs Console.

    If you've got a decent spec PC it can beat the consoles any day of the week for graphics, even on the same game (assuming the devs haven't done a lazy port or deliberately kept the PC version back).

    Usually a PC built/bought about a year into the Console's lifespan will have better graphics, even if the PC is only mid range, as console specifications are usually set out a year or more before the launch of the console and then don't get updated (or might get a minor update as happened this time round), so as time goes by the console graphics look increasingly limited compared to the PC ones.


    Personally I'm a PC gamer, mainly because I can play anything from about 20+ years back to now on my PC, and can get access to all the small/indie games, and I hate the compromises that are made for console gaming control systems (I don't generally like controllers much for many game types, so with the PC I have easy access to keyboard/mice, controllers from all console types, specialist controllers etc).
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 30th Dec 18, 3:55 PM
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    I've re visited both PS4 slim+XboxoneS
    Cost wise both were excellent value though I'm not convinced that the games are progressing as much.

    Although I didn;t go ahead with a planned i3 build during 2018.
    I find myself re considering a new pc build during 2019.
    Hopfuly costs have settled slightly as RAM was extortionate last year.
    Think I'll consider Ryzen 5 -maybe an RX....gpu (need to read up on the AMD type gpu's -not going high end more medium around 200 pounds mark.
    I'll continue to read these forums with interest.
    Originally posted by Dandytf
    You're revisiting 5 year old consoles.....

    You need to be looking at an XBox One X - which has been available for just over £300 recently - for console / console games progression.
    Last edited by motorguy; 30-12-2018 at 4:08 PM.
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    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 30th Dec 18, 7:11 PM
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    You're revisiting 5 year old consoles.....

    You need to be looking at an XBox One X - which has been available for just over £300 recently - for console / console games progression.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    Agreed I had been intentionally late purchases of consoles past few years until early 2018.
    I avoided Xbox one x at the time of One s purchase only on cost at that time.
    Since re considering p.c. Though my build specs are exceeding 1.2k I'll avoid that idea.
    Since considering pre buil entry level MSI i5 8400 (I think) 8GB ram 2tb hdd
    Again on the basis of cost and with option of upgrading ram if and when required some time later and probably add small ssd drive.
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 31st Dec 18, 7:47 AM
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    Agreed I had been intentionally late purchases of consoles past few years until early 2018.
    I avoided Xbox one x at the time of One s purchase only on cost at that time.
    Since re considering p.c. Though my build specs are exceeding 1.2k I'll avoid that idea.
    Since considering pre buil entry level MSI i5 8400 (I think) 8GB ram 2tb hdd
    Again on the basis of cost and with option of upgrading ram if and when required some time later and probably add small ssd drive.
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    Originally posted by Dandytf
    Funnily i had done similar over the last year or two having bought a PS4 slim and a One S. I never got that engaged with them and sold them on quite quickly.

    Bought an X in October though and its been great. I've been fortunate enough to be able to connect it to a 55 inch 4K TV and a 100W Sony sound bar in my study and its just amazing. I've a nice big comfy two seater sofa in there too.

    Well pleased. Amazing piece of kit and can be got with some cracking game bundles which means the console can be costing around £300. XBox Live is great value too at £7.99 a month and thats getting you 100+ games which is more than i'll ever need.
    Last edited by motorguy; 31-12-2018 at 7:49 AM.
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    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 31st Dec 18, 7:45 PM
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    Dandytf
    Funnily i had done similar over the last year or two having bought a PS4 slim and a One S. I never got that engaged with them and sold them on quite quickly.

    Bought an X in October though and its been great. I've been fortunate enough to be able to connect it to a 55 inch 4K TV and a 100W Sony sound bar in my study and its just amazing. I've a nice big comfy two seater sofa in there too.

    Well pleased. Amazing piece of kit and can be got with some cracking game bundles which means the console can be costing around £300. XBox Live is great value too at £7.99 a month and thats getting you 100+ games which is more than i'll ever need.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    Enjoy x box X nice setup with 4K t.v.

    I hope i58400 and Nvidia 1050 or 1060 gpu runs some games at decent refresh rate though if it's close to 1080p at medium to high setttings I'll be happy.
    Plenty time to decide until q1 2019 or if I can be more patient I could add some more funds q2 2019 maybe during summer.
    Even @799 without monitor costs are still considerably high considering pace of gpu versions.
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    • Retrogamer
    • By Retrogamer 1st Jan 19, 12:26 AM
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    Retrogamer
    I like both console gaming and PC gaming, but out of the two, i much prefer gaming on the PC.

    I've had most of this gaming PC now for over 7 years now. The only part i've really changed is the graphics card and some superficial stuff like extra hard drives. I spent a fair bit on it for (what i consider) good branded parts and it seems it was a good investment as virtually no issues ever and still runs the latest games are high graphics.

    A few years ago i had a PS4 and although it's a great console, i didn't play it much and eventually sold it.

    More recently i've bought an Xbox one but it's kinda in the same boat and rarely gets used. (PS4 was better IMO)

    Consoles make online gaming easier and more affordable but on a good PC the games will almost always run smoother and have more detail and the games are often cheaper to buy on it as well.

    Unlike consoles where when a new version comes out, it makes a lot of the previous generation console games obsolete as they won't run on it, i've had my Steam account on the PC for about 15 years and all the games i used to play back then still work now.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 1st Jan 19, 8:21 AM
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    Dandytf
    I like both console gaming and PC gaming, but out of the two, i much prefer gaming on the PC.

    I've had most of this gaming PC now for over 7 years now. The only part i've really changed is the graphics card and some superficial stuff like extra hard drives. I spent a fair bit on it for (what i consider) good branded parts and it seems it was a good investment as virtually no issues ever and still runs the latest games are high graphics.

    A few years ago i had a PS4 and although it's a great console, i didn't play it much and eventually sold it.

    More recently i've bought an Xbox one but it's kinda in the same boat and rarely gets used. (PS4 was better IMO)

    Consoles make online gaming easier and more affordable but on a good PC the games will almost always run smoother and have more detail and the games are often cheaper to buy on it as well.

    Unlike consoles where when a new version comes out, it makes a lot of the previous generation console games obsolete as they won't run on it, i've had my Steam account on the PC for about 15 years and all the games i used to play back then still work now.
    Originally posted by Retrogamer
    Nice Commodore logo
    Care to advise if a decent i58400 range cpu+ either Nvidia gtx1050ti or 1060 6 gb gpu is comparable with Xbox or PS4 graphics.
    I also owned xbox oneS+PS4 slim white for some time before selling via e-bay.
    I'm since planning return to p.c. Though I need a decent affordable p.c. As I cannot afford to go as much as Nvidia 18080 gpu and cpu I think will be i5 range at best.
    Though Ryzen is tempting I think I'll go safer bet with Intel
    Last edited by Dandytf; 01-01-2019 at 11:08 AM.
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    • Retrogamer
    • By Retrogamer 1st Jan 19, 4:08 PM
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    Nice Commodore logo
    Care to advise if a decent i58400 range cpu+ either Nvidia gtx1050ti or 1060 6 gb gpu is comparable with Xbox or PS4 graphics.
    I also owned xbox oneS+PS4 slim white for some time before selling via e-bay.
    I'm since planning return to p.c. Though I need a decent affordable p.c. As I cannot afford to go as much as Nvidia 18080 gpu and cpu I think will be i5 range at best.
    Though Ryzen is tempting I think I'll go safer bet with Intel
    Originally posted by Dandytf
    Thank you!

    If you're looking to play at 1080 i think you'll be absolutely fine with that, but would opt for a 1060 over a 1050 even if it is a ti version

    My processor just now is an i5 2500k and it was released early 2011. It has an aggressive overclock on it (3.7Ghz to 4.5Ghz) and it's had that active the best part of 7 years now. Although AMD can offer great value for performance and i ran AMD for best part of a decade previously Intels generally run cooler and should last longer. The additional cores from most of the AMD range is unneeded for gaming as it's very rare any game utilises more than 4.

    Even though it's an old processor because games are much more intensive on the graphics card vs the processor it still does really well in modern games.
    So in short, a modern i5, will be more than enough for most games for sure. The i7's might offer a lot better performance in other areas of the PC such as file compression and video editing stuff but in games it's negligible at best.

    I think with that Graphics card you will be able to achieve at least the same level of detail on the graphics than the PS4 / Xbox one but with much better frame rates
    • themothy
    • By themothy 1st Jan 19, 8:31 PM
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    I'd say PC gaming is alot better for hardcore games (MOBAs, MMORPGs, strategy games) whereas console gaming is better for more casual gaming, playing "blockbuster" AAA games, sports games, and beat em ups. FPS games are somewhere in the middle albeit favoring PC more, they're definitely much better and more natural to play on PC because of the keyboard/mouse superiority but this is traded off with a smaller FPS gamer base on PC for the big AAA FPS games (e.g. COD, Battlefield) and there being more issues around hackers ruining FPS' on PC.

    You do get overlaps, but I think the above generally holds true. I personally play alot of PC and console games, but think the PC is better overall as I find MOBAs/MMORPGs to be better games than other genres.
    • matmidgley
    • By matmidgley 2nd Jan 19, 9:24 AM
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    I built my PC in 2013, only a few months ago I upgraded the graphics.
    Even then it was not the latest GPU (waited for the price crash on the 1080) and I have kept everything else the same.

    Even without the upgrade It was equal or exceeding min to recommended spec and would of lasted a few more years.

    Only more recently I had started turning graphics down to 1080p (from 1440p) on some newer games which is what made me update.

    VR was not even available when I made my PC nearly 6 Years ago and requires a decent spec today, yet my PC was already above what was required.

    Buy decent and it will last a long time, buy cheap/mid range and it will not. And I do not mean extreme £800-£1400 on a CPU . I am still running a I7 4770k on a stock clock.
    Even that was an upgrade from an i7 950 from 2009 which a friend of mine is still using today.

    Do not be fooled into thinking consoles are a one stop shop, the PS4 pro replaced the under powered PS4. yes they can play all games but they reduce quality to do that.
    The original PS4 is know to drop down as low as 720p and the "pro" to 1080p (while being advertised as 4K). As well as releasing games and patching them to lower quality as they struggle for frames.
    With the rumored PS5 and 3 Microsoft consoles in the works my PC could potentially see out the life of 4/5 console generations.

    I do own a PC, Gaming Laptop, Oculus Rift, XB1S and a PS4.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 2nd Jan 19, 6:20 PM
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    Thanks mser's
    With no modern time pc home use other than office.
    I did have a very short trial of Eve online which ran reasonably well from i5 mabook 13.1 (512ssd +1gg gpu-integrated)
    I could re visit Eve online also had a quick shot of Call of duty though Advanced warfare on consoles wasn't gripping enough.
    Noticed there is going to be FFXIV -online MMRPG-this could be interesting.
    Could re visit Sim CIty build it ( I spent hours on 2000)
    Maybe there is 'builder' type games during 2019 to build up people trade or towns/maybe light strategy type games.
    I honestly think returning to p.c. Could be fun though I'll need to avoid dx266 1st build error years ago when I didn't plug in risers correctly with m/board and case though it did boot to bios when I couldn't install win95 as I didn't have boot up floppy .

    Are mser's agreed then i5 8400 nvideagtx1060 3 or 6gb
    8 or 16 gb ram
    450 0t 500 cpu
    128nvme m.2 ssd
    1tb seagate. Hdd
    Case/monitor/keyboard mouse t.b.c
    Win10 usb-Amazing this could be plug and play from boot
    I have the parts listed from Scan uk
    I could save a small fortune if initially:-
    I purchase 1060 3gb (not 6gb) gpu
    I purchase 8GB 2666 ddr4 ram (not 16gb)
    Is above savings going to make some gaming slow and unreponsive or could I make use until I can upgrade later in 2019 or next year.
    Almost forgot to ask is todays costs reasonable or are pc components at a higher rate lately -is there any reason to delay this build until q2 or later-if so when until and why
    (I have a few days last week Jan I'll only order if I'm not jumping ahead)
    Last edited by Dandytf; 02-01-2019 at 6:23 PM.
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    • Johnmcl7
    • By Johnmcl7 2nd Jan 19, 10:46 PM
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    At the moment I'd say ram prices are on the high side, SSD prices are low and graphics cards are currently on the way down. There's been a mining boom and crash so the graphics cards have come back down to sensible prices although I'd say they're still high given the 10xx range is a good few years old now. Nvidia have released some of the 20xx range but the prices on them are crazy at the moment so the 10xx prices have been holding.

    I think the PC is in a really good place for gaming these days as it's overcome most of the traditional disadvantages it's had while keeping the advantages. My main gaming PC is about have its seventh birthday and is still capable of gaming at high resolution at high settings although it has had a new GPU, that's cost less than the Xbox One and Xbox One X I bought during the PC's lifetime. I find games now are good at picking up the settings themselves so there's no need to spend a lot of time tweaking settings and they also work well at natively supporting the Xbox controllers. I'm impressed with play anywhere on the PC where you can play games bought on the Xbox on the PC as well, cross play with Xbox players and use Xbox features like party chat.

    Backwards compatibility is a big advantage as well, while the Xbox does have limited support now for backwards compatibility it requires emulation which can mean performance is worse than the 360 whereas a current PC can not only run most games but usually much better than when they originally came out.

    Consoles on the other hand feel like they're going backwards gaining much of the PC's complexity, in the Xbox 360 days I was often fed up with how long PC games took to get working so liked being able to chuck a disc and just play the 360. Now it's the other way round and I find myself playing more on the PC as the consoles are needing another huge patch. Hardware wise the consoles are weak compared to their predecessors with the switch to off the shelf hardware meaning they've been left with older budget parts instead. The CPU's even on the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are particularly bad as they've been largely ignored in favour of GPU upgrades. I can understand there wasn't really the budget to install a decent processor but it's all the more noticeable with play anywhere.

    All that said, I feel the PC still fails as an under the TV device which is where I still prefer consoles. I did try a PC in this role for a while with it permanently hooked up to the TV but even with it booting into the Steam big picture mode I still found I frequently needed to hook a mouse and keyboard which just got annoying.
    • matmidgley
    • By matmidgley 3rd Jan 19, 6:02 AM
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    Thanks mser's
    With no modern time pc home use other than office.
    I did have a very short trial of Eve online which ran reasonably well from i5 mabook 13.1 (512ssd +1gg gpu-integrated)
    I could re visit Eve online also had a quick shot of Call of duty though Advanced warfare on consoles wasn't gripping enough.
    Noticed there is going to be FFXIV -online MMRPG-this could be interesting.
    Could re visit Sim CIty build it ( I spent hours on 2000)
    Maybe there is 'builder' type games during 2019 to build up people trade or towns/maybe light strategy type games.
    I honestly think returning to p.c. Could be fun though I'll need to avoid dx266 1st build error years ago when I didn't plug in risers correctly with m/board and case though it did boot to bios when I couldn't install win95 as I didn't have boot up floppy .

    Are mser's agreed then i5 8400 nvideagtx1060 3 or 6gb
    8 or 16 gb ram
    450 0t 500 cpu
    128nvme m.2 ssd
    1tb seagate. Hdd
    Case/monitor/keyboard mouse t.b.c
    Win10 usb-Amazing this could be plug and play from boot
    I have the parts listed from Scan uk
    I could save a small fortune if initially:-
    I purchase 1060 3gb (not 6gb) gpu
    I purchase 8GB 2666 ddr4 ram (not 16gb)
    Is above savings going to make some gaming slow and unreponsive or could I make use until I can upgrade later in 2019 or next year.
    Almost forgot to ask is todays costs reasonable or are pc components at a higher rate lately -is there any reason to delay this build until q2 or later-if so when until and why
    (I have a few days last week Jan I'll only order if I'm not jumping ahead)
    Originally posted by Dandytf
    Get the 1060 6gb over the 3gb
    Stick with 16gb Ram
    i5 8400

    You will not be disappointed


    no reason to hold off, the new line of gpus have been released and the cpu is very powerful will last many years.

    prices go up and down for many reasons if you have been watching them for a while just grab when they are low enough.
    I managed to pick up my 1080 for just over £400 when the 2080 was released, it has now gone back up to £560 (where its still in stock) I had been watching prices for a while and was more than happy to pay that.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 3rd Jan 19, 5:23 PM
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    @matmidgley

    Your 1080 example is why I was asking as I'm not sure when prices are low or high only online costs as such, I'm no where near 18080 for a year or two though would like to save a few pounds if possible, is 8gn ram and 3 gb 1060 a definite NO-avoid at all cost type purchase.
    Maybe for initial build- which could be much faster if savings can be made.
    Maybe I Could delay until summer and increase funds though that is going to take a few months.
    I've today read some Amazon cpu/m/board and ram bundles -this type of purchase could at least get some kit home and help motivate adding hardware.
    That 1080 increase upto 560 -does that mean hardware has gone higher again.
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    • matmidgley
    • By matmidgley 5th Jan 19, 8:54 AM
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    @matmidgley

    Your 1080 example is why I was asking as I'm not sure when prices are low or high only online costs as such, I'm no where near 18080 for a year or two though would like to save a few pounds if possible, is 8gn ram and 3 gb 1060 a definite NO-avoid at all cost type purchase.
    Maybe for initial build- which could be much faster if savings can be made.
    Maybe I Could delay until summer and increase funds though that is going to take a few months.
    I've today read some Amazon cpu/m/board and ram bundles -this type of purchase could at least get some kit home and help motivate adding hardware.
    That 1080 increase upto 560 -does that mean hardware has gone higher again.
    Originally posted by Dandytf
    Its not a definite but any review will tell you to take the 6gb over the 3gb for the sake of the small saving.

    I was waiting for the 2070 release, but after the 2080 was released and the price/performance was not as great as expected I guessed the 2070 would not be a lot of difference from the 1080.

    I waited for the prices to drop as new ones were released and when it got to a point i deemed it to be worth money I went for it. It could of back fired and price could of gone lower but I lucked out.

    For a system build just set your budget and work out the best you can afford. There is always price changes and new hardware you could end up waiting a long time.
    There are many reviews with benchmarks for games you want to play.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 5th Jan 19, 4:28 PM
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    Thanks all advice
    I'll continue to save until late Summer as I'm only@ 500 pounds.
    I'll then prob go with i5 8400 or later -though I was tempted with a bundle from Amazon to get the cpu/m/board+ ram -though with no additional funds for storage/PSU/case etc+win10 I'll continue to save and maybe almost double 500..
    I'm starting from scratch and will need monitor+computer desk suitable 1 bedroom flat.
    Only slight temptation to use credit cards to complete a build last week in Jan though I'm getting used to saving some funds.
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    • phillw
    • By phillw 7th Jan 19, 10:04 PM
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    What do you think is the best type of gaming? Do you prefer PC gaming or Console gaming?
    Originally posted by paranoidandroid31978
    I prefer console. It's cheaper & often the games I want to play are exclusives. However it's really subjective.

    Do you agree that mouse control is better with pc gaming when it comes to first person shooters, think of how the mouse controls the gun so much better than a console controler
    Originally posted by paranoidandroid31978
    I've played first person shooters on a dual shock 3 & the biggest problem is I lose track of which stick is performing which action. So I run round like stevie wonder.

    You can use a keyboard and mouse on a console, people who use controllers complain about the unfair advantage those people get.

    Then there's the entire genre of (MMORPG Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games where you need the keyboard controls to cast spells and to interact with the gameworld that I don't think consoles will ever be able to match
    Originally posted by paranoidandroid31978
    Consoles have had the option of using keyboards for quite a few years now.

    Then there's always going to be the overall graphics quality is going to be much higher on a computer
    Originally posted by paranoidandroid31978
    The gap at the beginning of a generation is going to be much lower than the end & you can opt to throw as much money at your PC as you want. While in the past you have no option to do that and now you only have the choice of a high end or low end xbox/ps4.

    I also enjoy laying on the sofa playing a game on the TV using a gamepad, which you could do on a PC of course.
    Last edited by phillw; 07-01-2019 at 10:06 PM.
    • Noflufftech
    • By Noflufftech 10th Jan 19, 1:05 AM
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    Of course the pc gaming
    For me, I'm better with pc gaming than console gaming. Specially if you are using a wireless gaming mouse and a keyboard. I'm using the logitech g903 gaming mouse and drevor calibur. I promise u dont wanna do console gaming.
    • TubbyDown
    • By TubbyDown 10th Jan 19, 4:27 PM
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    I just cant get into PC gaming, theirs too many variables and errors that could occur.

    While i agree a mouse and a keyboard is the perfect set up for first person shooters, i just prefer being able to sit on the sofa, put a game in and it just work straight away.
    • Dandytf
    • By Dandytf 10th Jan 19, 6:45 PM
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    I thought I could settle with i5 8400+Nvidia 1060 3 or 6gb.
    CPU's and Gpu's are not slowing at all.
    Ryzen 3000 CPU's-navi gpu's.
    Nvidia 1180 to site between 1080/2080.
    I'll decide once I lmost double 500 budget hopefully during summer
    Which mmrpgames are pc players enjoying.
    Need to get a system build for FFXIV
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