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    • Slinky
    • By Slinky 15th Jan 18, 12:45 PM
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    KonMari 2018 & 2019 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up
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    • 15th Jan 18, 12:45 PM
    KonMari 2018 & 2019 - The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up 15th Jan 18 at 12:45 PM
    Since there seems to be a few new threads being started in case old ones are accidentally lost, shall I do the same for KonMari?

    Here's the links to the old threads with thanks to VfM4meplse and greent




    'The Life Changing Magic of Tidying Up' by Marie Kondo is a home organisation/ decluttering book like no other. Instead of looking for things to discard, Marie Kondo says we should instead look for things we wish to keep - using the 'does it spark joy?' method. Ultimately this means that everything in our homes should spark joy for us You might not think that everyday and seemingly mundane items can't spark joy - but you need to think around it a little. So whilst an iron may not spark joy, wearing ironed clothes may. A cheese grater may not spark joy, but your child may really like grated cheese in their wraps - which brings joy.

    Marie Kondo also says that this should be done quickly and properly. This may take six months to achieve, but tidying properly should mean doing it just once. This is against the often-seen decluttering advice of doing 15 minutes a day, or a drawer/ shelf a day.

    MK suggests an order as to what to sort through first and subsequently. This is important - she starts with items which many people do not have an emotional attachment to (clothes) and builds up to sentimental items (photos) so that a person's joy-meter can be developed along the way.

    Many MSE-ers have been following the KM method (kondo-ing) successfully. It fits into the MSE ethos by changing your mindse - you will no longer want to shop mindlessly for something 'just because' or 'it'll do' - you will want to buy only joyful items, thereby often saving ££ on random, impulse purchases.

    From the 2016 thread

    How/ Where Can I Dispose of My Unwanted Items?

    It is vitally important to make sure that you dispose of your unwanted items asap - less chance of any doubts creeping in and items making their way back!

    To make money and/ or save items from landfill, you may find the following ideas useful:

    Money Making: - am sure many will use this already. Be careful of fees - ebay now charge final value fees (FVF) on your postage as well as the amount which the items sells for. - can sell any unwanted books, CDs, DVDs & games. Download the app onto your smartphone/ tablet for ease of use - scan the barcodes and it will tell you if the item is accepted and what price they will give you. For even more money, go through a cashback site first (such as or (tip: save your accepted items in your virtual 'cart'. If you have any items which they initially refuse, try re-scanning these several days later - I find about another 20-50% of previously unaccepted items go through on another attempt!) - Quidco are currently offering 60p to new members to Preloved (Jan 2016); plus you get 10p for posting a new advert. It's free to join and post adverts to Preloved, you can post things for sale or free to a good home so might be an alternative to eBay, free cycle, facebook selling pages to offload unwanted, unloved items. All free ads include a photo and private ads are completely free, no listing fees, no selling fees and no catches - free online classified ad site

    Recycling/ Reusing Items: (often raising funds for charities at the same time )

    You can post them to the Breast Cancer charity here or you can go hand them in to a branch of Bravissimo.

    OR : raise funds for Nowzad Dogs - the only official animal charity in Afghanistan:

    Unwanted pens
    You can post your unwanted pens to people overseas to help schools and orphanages via

    Ink jet Printer Cartridges
    Can be dropped off at Sue Ryder stores or posted off freepost for a charity from wide list or Tesco club card points for you via

    Books & Music
    British Heart Foundation and Oxfam both do specialist charity shops that sell books and music so you could separate those donations to maximise the money the charities make

    Postcards: can raise money for Great Ormond St children's hospital.

    Stamps: GOSH also take all stamps, special and everyday, as do the RNIB

    Maternity items/ baby & children's clothing/ nursery furniture/ toiletries/ nappies - a baby bank (like a food bank, but maternity and child related items for families in crisis) Lots springing up around the country. Some independent, some part of a small network. Up to date list can be found on stripey stork's website

    Toiletries/ make-up/ clothing (women's and children's) - women's refuge centres. Google your local area for one - but be prepared you may have to drop off to a 3rd party point - for obvious reasons they do not always want to publicise their location! Or post to : to help women and children in the Southern/ London area

    charity shops
    gumtree etc insert 14 Jan 2019

    If you haven't already join the Forum to join in the challenge.

    This Forum tip was included in's weekly email!
    Last edited by Slinky; 22-01-2019 at 8:32 AM. Reason: Add in list from 2016 of places to dispose of unwanted items, thanks for locating them greent
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    • tibawo
    • By tibawo 20th Jan 18, 10:56 AM
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    Not quite sure I want to say thanks for the new thread. I was happily catching up on the old one and then realised there was more .... only joking... love hearing how well people are doing and the support for each other.

    I've been trying to KD and plan the allotment. It was, until now quite mild so I was able to shift hard core and place a couple raised beds but now with the weather change might have to refocus on the house for a while.

    This morning i have just given myself a warm fuzzy feeling. I am a self confessed voucher queen. When I spot them they are checked if they have 'Mr Justin Case' written on or if I know family/friends use them. The ones I use go straight in my bag and the others delivered! Today I was doing my shop in my local freezer centre. I wasn't meaning to listen but this family was in and discussing how much they could 'afford' to spend on food this month. I carried on with mine and by chance was behind them at the till. The bill came to over their budget and the till operator asked them if they don't get any of the spend X get X off vouchers. They didn't and the bloke sheepishly started to look in the trolley for things to put back. Knowing I'd more than I probably needed I offered them some of mine. It worked out they could get a tenner off. I was quite shocked in how many times they thanked me and the woman hugged me with tears in her eyes. Even the guy on the till told me it was a nice gesture.

    So I have now for a buzz which helps me as it gives me the energy to crack on! Winner for all of us!
    After years of debt and living on the breadline feeling nothing but negative about myself, I am finally feeling that 2019 might be the year I actually get positive about it!
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 11:02 AM
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    GQ, please don't beat yourself up about your strength of emotion for your bike. It is completely natural to feel strongly about something in which you have invested so much, in every sense.
    As others have pointed out, having something stolen that is so very much part of your life is bound to be hurtful. It is quite a different scenario if we can let something go of our own volition, with grace and thanks.
    • silvasava
    • By silvasava 20th Jan 18, 11:07 AM
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    Tibawo - lovely gesture and vouchers went where they were needed and appreciated. Gold Star!!!
    A couple of times in the past I've been given X off an X spend - knowing I wouldn't spend that much in the SM I've passed them on to others to use.
    Karmacat - I know a lot of caravanners and boaters use folding bikes - might be worth a look on one of their websites?
    DH was supposed to be going out for a ride today with some friends but its cold and raining so he's decided not to go - he'd only have to clean all the chrome after lol!! Told me he didn't want to spend the day cleaning his bike - hmm so I luuurve spending my day cleaning the house then?? not! Having said that the downstairs needs a dust and then I'll make DS1 his curtain and kondo a job out of the way & then decide what we're having for dinner tomorrow depending on what I've put in the freezer
    Small victories - sometimes they are all you can hope for but sometimes they are all you need - be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle
    • Wednesday2000
    • By Wednesday2000 20th Jan 18, 11:08 AM
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    We are getting the old, carpy bathroom fan kondoed today.

    I am hoping that I have time to drop off the two bags to a charity shop before I go out. I will have a last scout around looking for other stuff to go out too.
    Push yourself, because no one else is going to do it for you.
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 11:25 AM
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    Cycle to work scheme:

    Might be of use to someone?

    Does anyone use OLIO? It used to be App only, but is now on desktop as well.
    Pretty much all the offers I see on it are miles away in the Big Smoke. Hasn't really caught on in the shires yet.
    • Debsnewbudget
    • By Debsnewbudget 20th Jan 18, 11:26 AM
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    I have been looking for folding bikes as well and only want occasional use and do not need to lift or carry them
    You can get them second hand on ebay local for around the £50 mark or there are some brand new ones on the main site for £99
    I have heard that the larger the wheels the comfier the ride so I am keeping my eye out for a nice one.

    As for the vouchers I once went down an entire checkout queue in M&S as I had a large number of those friends and family 10% vouchers off. Some thanked me and others looked at me as if I was mad
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 11:32 AM
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    If you are looking for free water refills when out and about, there is a free App via:

    I almost always carry a reusable water bottle with me, so this is really useful. Does anyone have those roll-down water pouches? They always look really handy to put in my handbag, but how do you keep them sterile? I like my water bottles as I can put them in the dishwasher, but I doubt you can do that with a pouch!
    • elona
    • By elona 20th Jan 18, 11:33 AM
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    I have dragged some cardboard boxes into the hall to flatten and put into recycling on Tuesday and am looking out a few items of clothing to go into a charity bag on Monday.


    By being minimalist each item is a much bigger percentage of what you have and is even more important so don't feel bad about regretting the theft.
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    • Siebrie
    • By Siebrie 20th Jan 18, 11:38 AM
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    Dh this morning told me with glee: “I’m going to test them all!” about the hotel size shower gel bottles Victory, because he was annoyed last time I brought home a bagful of similar bottles.

    Eta: last time was 2 years ago, and I have no idea why he was annoyed.
    My use of ‘glee’ seems to cause confusion. He sounded really happy, joyful, no sign of sarcasm or annoyance.
    Last edited by Siebrie; 20-01-2018 at 4:43 PM.
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    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 12:11 PM
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    Siebrie: immediately decant the little bottles into one big bottle. He'll never know!!!!
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 12:18 PM
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    Actually, I have to ask, why was he annoyed with the little bottles? Surely it's moneysaving and slightly better for the environment for you to take them home? Most hotels throw away toiletries, even unopened packets, every day. It's crazy that unopened packets are automatically binned.
    I can understand not wanting to use somebody else's ripped open sachet of shampoo, but an unopened packet????
    • greent
    • By greent 20th Jan 18, 12:25 PM
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    I'm currently working my way through a large stash of hotel shampoo/ conditioner/ shower gels - various 'brands'. I've grouped all the matching ones together and am using them up before moving onto the next 'brand' Some are nicer than others, but all are doing the job of washing me/ my hair so are great as far as I'm concerned I do have my usual Tre5emme to move onto after, but I keep getting given more hotel stuff by my mum so it's been waiting for months - I just see it as money saving I don't use the body lotions which she gives me - I pass these on to a women's centre. Some are really nice, but I have plenty enough of my own (received as gifts) to get through (It's something which I use quite slowly)
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    • maddiemay
    • By maddiemay 20th Jan 18, 1:12 PM
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    Having now bought a lovely new pair of snug and warm outdoorsy type winter trousers, I hope that this weekend I will make time to try on my old ones which are now miles too big after unwanted weight loss over a couple of years. It has been an expensive time, but I am now reconciled to my new weight as I seem to have stablised and be able to keep all the newer stuff

    As the OH of a guy who has been cycling for over 60 years and still rides 90-100 miles per week average, may I please chuck in a couple of things about second hand cycles.

    If something has been unused for a number of years it will probably need new tyres and/or inner tubes, brake and gear cables, brake blocks and possibly attention to the gears. All easily attended to if you know your way around bikes or are handy and use you tube vids, but could well end up costing quite a few quid and even more if you have to take it to bike shop to get it done, all something to bear in mind, and would not recommend buying something unseen.

    If you have such things where you live it may be worth calling personally into the bike shops and enquiring if they ever take in folders as part exchange, when they sell them on they should be checked over and be safe.

    I noticed yesterday that someone locally was offering a ladies and a gents bike on freegle and pointed out some of the things that needed doing, Karmacat and Debsnewbudget, if you use this platform it might be worth asking if anyone has a folder to dispose of. Unlikely to find a Brompton or a Bickerton, but there are lots of cheap and cheerful ones around, and yes generally the larger wheels the better the comfort level
    • VJsmum
    • By VJsmum 20th Jan 18, 1:32 PM
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    Today we have been clearing out the office study ready for decorating.

    Without much thought or effort, I have thrown out an old briefcase (no use for donation as it really is tatty), and a roll of wrapping paper for a baby girl. The last time anyone I knew had a baby girl was 13 years ago . It is so horrid, dirty and crumbled, it has gone straight for recycling.

    I have earmarked some books that can go.

    The biggest win is that OH is prepared to let all the open shelving go. We are replacing one set with !kea wardrobes, so everything will be behind doors and the other (rather industrial looking) set will be replaced with something decent. . Once the wardrobes are in, one whole shelf of this shelving will fit in there.

    On the downside, I wasn't prepared to let OH climb the ladder to try to refit the ridge tile blown off in the wind. It was VERY high and VERY wobbly. So that means the expense of a roofer - but better that than a dead, or disabled, husband... He did go up but it was just not sturdy even with me 'footing' it and, when he came down to fetch something, I walked away saying I wasn't prepared to be party to it - he didn't dare go up after that.
    Last edited by VJsmum; 20-01-2018 at 4:08 PM.
    I wanna be in the room where it happens
    • Fen1
    • By Fen1 20th Jan 18, 2:56 PM
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    VJ: very sensible.
    Undertakers cost a heck of a lot more than roofers.
    • VJsmum
    • By VJsmum 20th Jan 18, 4:34 PM
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    For the sake of one ridge tile, we are now having installed a complete dry fix system for £400 (to be fair, I bet it would have been £200 just to get someone up there)...

    But it means the things can never fall off again...

    It seems the positive deluge of money leaving our account continues however.

    But, yes Fen1, as you say cheaper by far than a funeral
    I wanna be in the room where it happens
    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 20th Jan 18, 4:51 PM
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    Woke up at 5 am all excited about my 'new' bike like a kid and have been playing with it on and off during the day. OK, playing means removing the grot of ages, I reckon the darling hasn't been cleaned for about 20 years. You can certainly see where you've been.

    Yes, it's very true that you need to watch out for tyres/ tubes when buying 2nd hand bikes. If bikes stand around, these things perish with age, although that can be mitigated somewhat by keeping tyres inflated by pumping them up once a week or so. If you have to store a bike for some time, it's better to hang it up or, if that's not possible, stand it upside down on its seat and handlebars. Perhaps with a drop-cloth over the top of it as well.

    2 x new tubes and 2 x new tyres can easily double the cost of a new old bike. The ones on mine are pretty good, not as great as the stolen bike's ones, but decent. Barring unforeseen circs, they should be good enough for a few years, although if I get a puncture, I'll have the tube replaced. I am a low mileage cyclist, principally using the bike to shuttle to and fro my allotment at evenings and on weekends, and to drag the groceries home. It would take me years and years to wear out bike tyres.

    I've even discovered a term of the 'bay and 'tree for a bike which has been found stored; a barn find. I've also seen folding bikes very cheaply, sometimes 1970s Ralieghs. With all folders, there is a tradeoff between the ease of folding and the overall lightness of weight and the cost. If you want to have a bike you can carry one-handed onto a train and unfold in seconds, you're talking serious spondulicks and Br0mptons are about the same price as I used to pay for secondhand cars. I have seen old folders with change from £100, sometimes under £50 as some people have had them to accompanying caravanning holdidays and they have seen little use. Sonething like that sounds as if it would meet Karmakat's needs.

    I took the bike straight from the bike shop I bought it from to my regular guy, who has been servicing and repairing my bike for donkey's years. If anyone brings my stolen one to him, he has promised to 'arrest' it. The new one will be serviced on Tuesday and he's digging around his shop to see if he can find and 2nd hand brackets which fit my lights (the lights lived in the flat, the brackets were permanantly fitted on the stolen bike and are Somewhere Else now).

    I have to say, some good things have come of the theft in respect of the many kindnesses which have been shown me by friends and acquaintances in respect of hunting for it and general moral support. This has been truly heart-warming and has made me feel humbled. I have also realised that just about every cyclist has been a victim of cycle theft, some poor s0ds more than once, and the upset of it lingers for a long time.

    I also was thinking about how it's a good job kondo-fever meant I hadn't dicarded the random stuff I have been using to facilitate bike cleaning today; old rags, old toothbrushes, the tarpaulin protecting the hall floor from drips, the foam kneeler pad and various other bits and bobs which would have been an expensive PITA to acquire but were within feet and which I knew exactly where to drop my hands on.

    I even have wet & dry paper for when I'm ready to rub the rust spots off the frame, and will only need a small can of black paint to touch in a few areas. Just call me Mrs Smug from Smugville.
    Last edited by GreyQueen; 20-01-2018 at 4:53 PM.
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    • catshark88
    • By catshark88 20th Jan 18, 6:31 PM
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    Have sorted my books (Kondoed them, but now putting them into some sort of order on the shelves). I have about 15 Alexander McCall Smiths! Most of the No 1 Ladies detective agency ones and some others. I know I enjoyed them and they’re a quick read, so I plan to read them once more, then CS them. I won’t take them when we move though, so there is a natural deadline.

    I find that costing the shelves that I will need to store things on, is great for focussing the mind re what can go!
    Last edited by catshark88; 20-01-2018 at 6:43 PM.
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    • Karmacat
    • By Karmacat 20th Jan 18, 7:00 PM
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    Folding bikes. Are you looking for how compact it can be? How heavy for carrying? How quickly for folding/unfolding? How long are your journeys, and what terrain?

    Pretty much the gold standard is a Brompton, but don't ask the price. You can get second hand Bromptons on the web, but I would be very careful about their provenance. All the Brompton owners I know jealously guard their bikes, and they would have to have an earth-shattering reason to give them up.

    If you don't need something as fancy as a Brompton, then there are quite a few cheaper brands out there. You pay less, but the bike might not fold as neatly, or be heavier to carry. However, if you aren't lugging it about for daily commuting, then a cheaper bike might well do.
    Originally posted by Fen1
    Great summary, Fen, thank you. I'm retired, and I live in a small town so it would only be for cycling locally - the library is 25 minutes walk away, and so is the leisure centre. Currently, I don't use either of them (ebooks only for me) and I'd like to. A village on the other side of a tiny nature reserve just by me has groups I'd like to go to, and it's the same sort of timing. As I get healthier, maybe I'd cycle out a bit further along the bridle paths? Not sure about that.

    Karmacat - I know a lot of caravanners and boaters use folding bikes - might be worth a look on one of their websites?
    Originally posted by silvasava
    Good point - I'll check, thanks for that.

    I noticed yesterday that someone locally was offering a ladies and a gents bike on freegle and pointed out some of the things that needed doing, Karmacat and Debsnewbudget, if you use this platform it might be worth asking if anyone has a folder to dispose of. Unlikely to find a Brompton or a Bickerton, but there are lots of cheap and cheerful ones around, and yes generally the larger wheels the better the comfort level
    Originally posted by maddiemay
    Hi Maddie - I'll try that when I'm ready, thanks. People are good about understanding wanting to experiment, and not making a financial commitment immediately.

    GQ - wow, £50 for a good'un? Yes, something at that level would definitely meet my needs. Between ebay, gumtree and freegle, I've got a chance, surely
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    • GreyQueen
    • By GreyQueen 20th Jan 18, 7:10 PM
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    The thing about bikes is that you don't need to shy away from them just because they're old. Even if old is 40+ years. There are bikes still on the road which were built in the 1920s. Bikes are like trigger's broom and can keep on almost indefinately with modest amounts of maintenance and mostly inexpensive replacement parts.

    Plus, an awful lot of bikes, countless millions of them, are idling away their years in garages and sheds totally unused for decades and are thus not getting worn out. Sure, rubber parts like tubes, tyres and brake blocks will eventually perish, moving parts need oiling, the whole thing runs better with a tune up from an experienced bike mechanic, but basic bike maintenance is do-able by amateurs.

    If you ask around, you often know someone who has an old bike they'd be happy to give away, if they knew someone who wanted one. A style of bike that was as common as muck, much commoner than folders, is the so-caller shopper's bikes. Smaller wheels than standard, step-thru frame and a carrier on the back often with a rectangular bag and a basket on the front. Cheap, easy to ride, not likely to be popular target for thieves.

    ETA; this is a shopper type bike;

    They've got them up on gumtree from £20 each. Mum used to have one -gave it to a relative in the end.
    Last edited by GreyQueen; 20-01-2018 at 7:29 PM.
    Every increased possession loads us with a new weariness.
    John Ruskin
    Veni, vidi, eradici
    (I came, I saw, I kondo'd)

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