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    MissKitty
    MPGS - What's it Like??
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    • 10th Jan 12, 9:28 PM
    MPGS - What's it Like?? 10th Jan 12 at 9:28 PM
    Hi all

    Someone in my family is just about to leave the army after 24 years service and is thinking about joining the Military Provist Guard Service (MPGS).

    I was wondering if there is any ex soldiers out there that are currently in the MPGS that could pass on a bit of advice.

    The starting pay is only 18,237.48 so quiet a drop from SNCO levels.
    How quick is it to get through the ranks and what's the job like? has anyone else found it hard leaving the army and taking such a big pay cut? I know my family member has a pension to top up the pay so that helps a bit.

    Does anyone have any experience of how long it takes APC Glasgow to get through your application and hopefully offer you a job?

    Any advice for my family member would be appreciated.
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    • Sparky29
    • By Sparky29 17th May 12, 11:26 PM
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    Sparky29
    Hi all
    I have been waiting to get in the mpgs since feb and I went in the afco on Friday and got told that they are not taking anymore mpgs on at the mo. But I don't know if that means that people that r waiting will not get in or we will get in I got told to ring back this wens to find out what will happen??
    Originally posted by Richie128

    That is rubbish. You are getting fobbed off. I work in recruiting and phoned Glasgow on Tuesday to discuss an applicant and they said there are still about 300 vacancies to be filled but they are wading through a mountain of applications.
  • mrskezza
    Hi, My husband is in the same boat waiting waiting waiting! He left the Army just under a yr and starting the ball rolling with the MPGS in March but still no news! Have been told its just a waiting game but its quite fustrating with there being no deadline and no letters sent to you to confirm application etc. We are not looking to stay where we are at the moment so have put down three options and are open minded. You cant contact manning as they are no allowed to speak to you so its just a case of keep pestering the ACIO every month but there is not alot they can do either to be honest. It would be nice if they updated the spreadsheet on the Army website and put how many spaces are available at each unit just so you can get an idea if one of the places you have put down wants heads or not.

    My husband phone plymouth where they run the courses and was told it usually is a 6 - 9 month waiting before you get in but you don't know what to belive as we have also been told you can be in within 6 weeks if you have just recently left.

    If im still waiting at Christmas i wont be happy lol

    I imagine it will be alot better than civvy street, yes the salary is low to start off with but you get all the perks of cheap living, dental etc and ive heard that if you are happy to move around you are more likely to get promoted as some poeple just sit there until they get their pensions at 55 and leave no space for others to get promoted.

    Anyway any updates from any of yo keep me posted.

    p.s my husband has also been told that they are no longer takign applications for MPGS anymore from his ACIO so if that is true that might help to get rid of the back log.

    Where has everyone asked to be posted?
  • mrskezza
    Places
    Do you know how many places are available at each base? Could yo find out?

    That is rubbish. You are getting fobbed off. I work in recruiting and phoned Glasgow on Tuesday to discuss an applicant and they said there are still about 300 vacancies to be filled but they are wading through a mountain of applications.
    Originally posted by Sparky29
  • MissKitty
    Do you know how many places are available at each base? Could yo find out?
    Originally posted by mrskezza
    Thanks for your post mrskezza, it looks like there are alot of people in the same boat at the moment, just waiting.

    With regards to finding out about how many vacancies are available, my husband went to speak to the Sgt in charge at the camp closest to us. I already work there as a civvy so found out who was in charge of the MPGS. My husband went to speak to him to find out about vacancies coming up and he even gave him a tour of the Dog Section (where some vicious looking dogs live).

    Getting some info about vacancies will probably depend on how friendly the person is in charge of the MPGS at the camp you most want to go to, but there is no harm in asking.

    My husband has put 3 choices down too, but has found out there is 2 vacancies at our local one. Like other people say it looks like Glasgow has lots of applications to get through and only a small team to do it.

    Keep us updated how hubby gets on, good luck.
  • Jud546
    Hi all,

    As I promised- just a quick update on my progress. Got a mate who's still in the forces to do some digging on my behalf and was told that my application had gone through and Glasgow was just waiting on my Medical docs from central records. I'm ex RAF and have been told that for some reason the RAF and Navy are notoriously slow with releasing them. Still not given a possible start date or location yet, but it seems to be progressing.

    For info, I put my app in end of last year, but my out date wasn't until feb and was informed they wouldn't look at it until jan-so that gives you an idea of the timeline you may be looking at.

    I'll let you all know anything else when I hear and Keep your chins up.
    • Sparky29
    • By Sparky29 18th May 12, 11:09 PM
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    Sparky29
    Do you know how many places are available at each base? Could yo find out?
    Originally posted by mrskezza
    The spaces that are available are constantly changing due to people taking up vacancies. When someone is found suitable they say where they want to go. If there are vacancies they specify what Monday they would like to start allowing them time to work out any notice period they might have to work. They then have to arrange a date with the ACIO to be attested with an officer and sign their contract (271A). I'm afraid it is first come first served so if all the vacancies have gone in the post you want you may have to be flexible and accept another.
    • Sparky29
    • By Sparky29 18th May 12, 11:14 PM
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    Sparky29
    Hi all,

    I'm ex RAF and have been told that for some reason the RAF and Navy are notoriously slow with releasing them. up.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    Army docs are archived at APC Glasgow so are easy to access.

    RAF docs are at Cranwell IIRC. Navy med and personal docs are held separately at Gosport and Portmouth. They both require the applicants permission and aren't quick at releasing the docs which slows the application.
  • MissKitty
    Hi all,

    As I promised- just a quick update on my progress. Got a mate who's still in the forces to do some digging on my behalf and was told that my application had gone through and Glasgow was just waiting on my Medical docs from central records. I'm ex RAF and have been told that for some reason the RAF and Navy are notoriously slow with releasing them. Still not given a possible start date or location yet, but it seems to be progressing.

    For info, I put my app in end of last year, but my out date wasn't until feb and was informed they wouldn't look at it until jan-so that gives you an idea of the timeline you may be looking at.

    I'll let you all know anything else when I hear and Keep your chins up.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    Thanks for the update, that's good news.

    Fingers crossed it all goes smoothly for you and you will have a start date soon. Good luck.
  • mrskezza
    Afco
    Perhaps you could find out about my husbands application as his AFCO dont seem to do alot and tell him alot of mixed stories

    That is rubbish. You are getting fobbed off. I work in recruiting and phoned Glasgow on Tuesday to discuss an applicant and they said there are still about 300 vacancies to be filled but they are wading through a mountain of applications.
    Originally posted by Sparky29
  • mrskezza
    Places
    Yea i understand that, thanks for the info. We have put down dorset, oxford and cornwall. Ideally want dorset but we are willing to be flexiable to get in and then maybe transfer. How quickly can you get promoted?

    The spaces that are available are constantly changing due to people taking up vacancies. When someone is found suitable they say where they want to go. If there are vacancies they specify what Monday they would like to start allowing them time to work out any notice period they might have to work. They then have to arrange a date with the ACIO to be attested with an officer and sign their contract (271A). I'm afraid it is first come first served so if all the vacancies have gone in the post you want you may have to be flexible and accept another.
    Originally posted by Sparky29
  • mrskezza
    Yes it is just a waiting game by the sounds of it. Ex army, put application in in March and still waiting. AFCO not alot of help. What locations have you put down? According to plymouth it takes about 6 - 9 months but then have also been told it can take 6 weeks if you have been out less than a year but i dont think that is true as still waiting.

    Also Bristol have said that they are closing future MPGS application but whether this is true as when speaking to another sgt he didnt know anything about it?!

    Good Luck though, keep us updated.

    Hi all,

    As I promised- just a quick update on my progress. Got a mate who's still in the forces to do some digging on my behalf and was told that my application had gone through and Glasgow was just waiting on my Medical docs from central records. I'm ex RAF and have been told that for some reason the RAF and Navy are notoriously slow with releasing them. Still not given a possible start date or location yet, but it seems to be progressing.

    For info, I put my app in end of last year, but my out date wasn't until feb and was informed they wouldn't look at it until jan-so that gives you an idea of the timeline you may be looking at.

    I'll let you all know anything else when I hear and Keep your chins up.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    • jojo_the_joyful
    • By jojo_the_joyful 24th May 12, 2:21 PM
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    jojo_the_joyful
    Hi all.

    I asked hubby who he applied to 6 years ago now & he contacted MPGS direct from Germany before we repatriated for his last 6 months. That is how he had the number to nag and nag and nag. It is all differently now apparently.

    However even then he was offered a posting miles and miles away yet our local camp (where he got) was crying out for men. I think that was a bit of fill the hardest places first.

    Now my hubby has told me something that could further explain the delays. (Not that it is any help to you) Apparently some of the camps / stations are being regraded and so there are soldiers who have to be offered the chance to re-locate or leave. There is one chap hubby knows in Barnstable who was offered Scotland.

    Best of luck every one !!!
  • MissKitty
    Hi all.

    I asked hubby who he applied to 6 years ago now & he contacted MPGS direct from Germany before we repatriated for his last 6 months. That is how he had the number to nag and nag and nag. It is all differently now apparently.

    However even then he was offered a posting miles and miles away yet our local camp (where he got) was crying out for men. I think that was a bit of fill the hardest places first.

    Now my hubby has told me something that could further explain the delays. (Not that it is any help to you) Apparently some of the camps / stations are being regraded and so there are soldiers who have to be offered the chance to re-locate or leave. There is one chap hubby knows in Barnstable who was offered Scotland.

    Best of luck every one !!!
    Originally posted by jojo_the_joyful
    I think your hubby might be right.

    I went to the Guard Room on our local camp today and spoke to 2 very nice MPGS men. They said alot of camps are closing down so they need to relocate the guards on these camps first before taking on new MPGS staff. One of the men said it took him 2 years to get in, he said it wasn't what he planned to do but there was nothing decent on civvy street.

    I told him my hubby has been applying for loads of jobs and doesn't even get a response, we though he would of been in with a good chance with his service background. The MPGS man told me it was exactly the same problem for him and it's happening to alot of people.

    A bit disappointing really, you don't know if you will hear in weeks, months or years!!

    Keep us all up to date everyone.
  • Shaithis14
    Technically the post above is a bit misleading. Sites are not closing (a few might be, but not enough to effect the MPGS).

    What is happening is a re-classification of sites. That simply means that if a site has enough people there to manage it's own guarding the MPGS are being withdrawn and redistributed to other sites that require them, as the civvy guardforces are being removed from there and being replaced by us. These sites are getting their manning upped. The site I am at is due to raise it's numbers by an extra 10+ people.

    The MPGS are still recruiting, so the ACIO is giving out wrong information. There is currently a promtions freeze due to the moving of manpower. It isn't a good idea to promote 40-50 people and then tell them that the site they are going to does'nt have a vacancy for their rank. Once everyone is settled in the new sites the promotions will start to flow again.

    Glasgow will be under a lot of pressure now to sort out the manning situation (moving people about) and also with the influx of new recruits. We are still crying out for people as all 3 arms (Army, Fleet and Air) are still requiring more and more of us.

    The bottleneck does seem to be at Glasgow. But, as somebody above has stated, they have to do loads with limited manpower. As always, please be patient and don't give up.

    Most of all, don't believe any careers office who says we are not recruiting. We most certainly are.
  • MissKitty
    Technically the post above is a bit misleading. Sites are not closing (a few might be, but not enough to effect the MPGS).

    What is happening is a re-classification of sites. That simply means that if a site has enough people there to manage it's own guarding the MPGS are being withdrawn and redistributed to other sites that require them, as the civvy guardforces are being removed from there and being replaced by us. These sites are getting their manning upped. The site I am at is due to raise it's numbers by an extra 10+ people.

    The MPGS are still recruiting, so the ACIO is giving out wrong information. There is currently a promtions freeze due to the moving of manpower. It isn't a good idea to promote 40-50 people and then tell them that the site they are going to does'nt have a vacancy for their rank. Once everyone is settled in the new sites the promotions will start to flow again.

    Glasgow will be under a lot of pressure now to sort out the manning situation (moving people about) and also with the influx of new recruits. We are still crying out for people as all 3 arms (Army, Fleet and Air) are still requiring more and more of us.

    The bottleneck does seem to be at Glasgow. But, as somebody above has stated, they have to do loads with limited manpower. As always, please be patient and don't give up.

    Most of all, don't believe any careers office who says we are not recruiting. We most certainly are.
    Originally posted by Shaithis14
    I think I was told slightly wrong information, they probably meant camps are being re-classified not closing lots of them down.

    I'm more stressed about it than hubby (hence why I am still on the computer after midnight) as I do the finances in the house and the agency work is not good at the moment.

    I'm trying to support him and help with all the job applications but it's so frustrating when you hear nothing back.
  • Jim2509
    Hello all, I found out today having applied in March 2009 to the MPGS, that the stupid idiot at my AFCO stopped updating my application in Jun 2011, so guess what..it got binned without me knowing sod all about it. I only found out when I phoned my AFCO to be told by the very helpfull new AFCO Sgt that the old AFCO was shut down, my application only holds for 12 months, then if it's not updated it gets binned and I'd have to come in and apply AGAIN, which I'm going to do. Obviously I'm not very happy about it, so if you are waiting for your AFCO to call you to offer you a job, phone them EVERY month instead or you may suffer the same fate as me. Best of luck to you all.
    • jojo_the_joyful
    • By jojo_the_joyful 7th Jun 12, 2:42 PM
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    jojo_the_joyful
    Hello all, I found out today having applied in March 2009 to the MPGS, that the stupid idiot at my AFCO stopped updating my application in Jun 2011, so guess what..it got binned without me knowing sod all about it. I only found out when I phoned my AFCO to be told by the very helpfull new AFCO Sgt that the old AFCO was shut down, my application only holds for 12 months, then if it's not updated it gets binned and I'd have to come in and apply AGAIN, which I'm going to do. Obviously I'm not very happy about it, so if you are waiting for your AFCO to call you to offer you a job, phone them EVERY month instead or you may suffer the same fate as me. Best of luck to you all.
    Originally posted by Jim2509
    Jim I am so sorry this happened to you.

    Now you all know why I put in every post NAG NAG NAG

    Also just because you nag, don't let it settle because if you talk to different people at different time, the !!!!! and the elbow disassociation tend to apply. For example, you apply to Plymouth, you are told Plymouth is full, yet the staff at Plymouth tell you they are 3 blokes short.

    Nag Nag Nag
  • MissKitty
    How frustrating and annoying for you Jim, I hope you get your application in again soon and you have better luck this time.

    My hubby rings up his AFCO once a month, nothing has changed but he's just letting him know he's still there waiting. Luckily he speaks to the same Sgt every time. This Sgt said he is interested to see how long it will take my hubby to get in as he is leaving soon and wants to apply so hopefully he wont let my hubbies application slip through the net.
  • Jud546
    Just heard from my AFCO yesterday that I start at the end of the month at my second choice station. Thats obviously good news for me, but it also shows that the wheels are turning, albeit slowly at first but when the offer is made you can be in pretty quickly. So hang in there everyone and good luck. I will update when I hear further.
  • MissKitty
    Just heard from my AFCO yesterday that I start at the end of the month at my second choice station. Thats obviously good news for me, but it also shows that the wheels are turning, albeit slowly at first but when the offer is made you can be in pretty quickly. So hang in there everyone and good luck. I will update when I hear further.
    Originally posted by Jud546
    Thanks for the update Jud546, that's brilliant news, I'm really pleased for you.

    Good luck when you start, hope it all goes well, keep us all up to date.
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