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    MissKitty
    MPGS - What's it Like??
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    • 10th Jan 12, 9:28 PM
    MPGS - What's it Like?? 10th Jan 12 at 9:28 PM
    Hi all

    Someone in my family is just about to leave the army after 24 years service and is thinking about joining the Military Provist Guard Service (MPGS).

    I was wondering if there is any ex soldiers out there that are currently in the MPGS that could pass on a bit of advice.

    The starting pay is only 18,237.48 so quiet a drop from SNCO levels.
    How quick is it to get through the ranks and what's the job like? has anyone else found it hard leaving the army and taking such a big pay cut? I know my family member has a pension to top up the pay so that helps a bit.

    Does anyone have any experience of how long it takes APC Glasgow to get through your application and hopefully offer you a job?

    Any advice for my family member would be appreciated.
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  • MissKitty
    Ive recently left the forces and I feel for all you guys. The job market is quite pants at the mo. MPGS is a really good option due to pension benefits and also the lifestyle. MPGS is only going to get bigger due to budget cuts
    Originally posted by NailFace
    Thanks for your comments NailFace, love the name.

    It's really tough out there at the moment and it makes you realise what security you do get being in the army.

    I think the resettlement money of 500 odd pounds you get towards courses is rubbish. We ended up paying out of our own pocket for my husbands courses. It doesn't guarantee you a job at the end of the day as so many people are applying for one job.

    It's so sad when you hear stories about ex soldiers ending up homeless, on the streets with no money or job. When they have worked so hard all their life and served our country.
    • Esoog
    • By Esoog 6th May 12, 5:48 PM
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    Esoog
    You could ring APC yourself, but are unlikely to be put through to the correct desk agent. For those slagging them off, it's a little harsh as they are only literally a small team and they deal with the whole of the Army - approving 208s is not their only job by a long stretch! :] Although I will agree that the process does take far too long in some cases for some random reason?
  • Jud546
    You could ring APC yourself, but are unlikely to be put through to the correct desk agent. For those slagging them off, it's a little harsh as they are only literally a small team and they deal with the whole of the Army - approving 208s is not their only job by a long stretch! :] Although I will agree that the process does take far too long in some cases for some random reason?
    Originally posted by Esoog
    Hi Esoog,

    I think you misunderstood, I haven't noticed any posts were anybody has slagged off the APC. They have merely expressed their frustration at how long the application process is taking, plus the fact that (certainly from my point of view) there is no point of contact to find out any progress. Prior to applying for MPGS I was initially told that they were desperate for numbers and it shouldn't take that long to get in-obviously months down the line that doesn't appear to be the case :/

    MissKitty, deal.
    Any news on my part and I'll be sure to let you know. And again, good luck.
    • Esoog
    • By Esoog 7th May 12, 10:46 AM
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    Esoog
    Hi Esoog,

    I think you misunderstood, I haven't noticed any posts were anybody has slagged off the APC. They have merely expressed their frustration at how long the application process is taking, plus the fact that (certainly from my point of view) there is no point of contact to find out any progress. Prior to applying for MPGS I was initially told that they were desperate for numbers and it shouldn't take that long to get in-obviously months down the line that doesn't appear to be the case :/

    MissKitty, deal.
    Any news on my part and I'll be sure to let you know. And again, good luck.
    Originally posted by Jud546

    Ok, not slagging off, but you know what I mean, I'm sure the underlying sentiment is there. The point of contact should of course be the recruiter dealing with you at the afco, they should be more than able to email or even phone heaven forbid the desk clerks. I've usually found them helpful when I've had to chase something, methinks some recruiters just don't view MPGS as their most important 'cases'.

    As for it not taking long, I've seen people get in in a few weeks/month to a candidate who's record has been open for three years now?! It's ridiculous really and it doesn't need to be like that
  • MissKitty
    Ok, not slagging off, but you know what I mean, I'm sure the underlying sentiment is there. The point of contact should of course be the recruiter dealing with you at the afco, they should be more than able to email or even phone heaven forbid the desk clerks. I've usually found them helpful when I've had to chase something, methinks some recruiters just don't view MPGS as their most important 'cases'.

    As for it not taking long, I've seen people get in in a few weeks/month to a candidate who's record has been open for three years now?! It's ridiculous really and it doesn't need to be like that
    Originally posted by Esoog
    Maybe the length of time it takes to get into the MPGS depends on the location you are requesting to be based at, as there may well be no vacancies where you are requesting!!

    My husband has put 3 locations down on his application, ranging from 15 minutes away from our home to approx 50 minutes. He said he would take which ever one they offered him first just to get in there then relocate to the nearest one when a vacany became available.

    I think that it's the not knowing that's annoying. I appreciate that they must receive alot of applications, but to maybe even receive an email every now and then to let you know that your still in the system and they will contact you when something becomes available, would be good.
    • Sparky29
    • By Sparky29 8th May 12, 11:24 PM
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    Sparky29
    A couple of years ago recruiting was stopped for MPGS. About 9 months ago (approx) they lifted the ban and needed about +400 people. Initially people who applied first got processed quickly but word has spread and they have been inundated with applications so it has slowed to a crawl as they have limited resources - especially if you have a medical condition that requires further investigation.

    The process is to complete an RG8 (medical form) and it gets sent off to Glasgow with a B203 by the AFCO/ ACIO. It joins a big pile at APC while they pull your service records and then gets processed by the civil servants (eventually!). When a decision has been made the AFCO/ ACIO gets a reply. They have nothing to do with the process at Glasgow so nagging them will have no effect other than p!ss them off. They know who to phone at APC but it is just a waste of their time because it is just a waiting game and they can't speed up the process.

    Because it takes so long and peoples circumstances change always remember to inform the AFCO of a change of address or phone number because if you aren't contactable your application will be withdrawn and you will be back to square one. It isn't up to the AFCO/ ACIO to hunt you down.
    • jojo_the_joyful
    • By jojo_the_joyful 9th May 12, 3:24 PM
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    jojo_the_joyful
    Hi all again, just passing through & saw this thread still active. ( Hubby been in MPGS for almost 6 years)

    Firstly, when Hubby gets home, I will see if he remembers who he contacted ( nagged) about the MPGS & I will promise to post here with his answer.

    Yep he had to wait 4 weeks until he could join the MPGS, but some how they incorporated his training in that 4 weeks.

    Re pants pay & promotion & rank.

    There is a small rule that means your new wage (MPGS) and army pension can not exceed the total of your last "full time regular" wage, so for old timers, the incentive to get promoted & move about is small. It seems this works out equal for all as the higher the rank, the higher the pension. (Opting in or out does make a difference here). If you do earn more, your pension gets reduced. Sounds very more for less to me. But whilst in the MPGS, your aged 55 pension is added to.

    What we have found is that it is the younger guys, those with either no pension or a very small one, who are also "younger & fitter LOL " are the ones who actively seek speedy promotions, and good luck to them, if they are wanting to make a career, The "oldies",s they are being paid to do what they spent 24 years avoiding, but are happy for the non hassle, stability, regularity, familiarity, non stress, and rather relaxed atmosphere.

    They still have training days, ranges, and fitness tests, but get about 24 hours to do a BFT (13 mins or so).

    It really is "Dads Army" LOL but I call my hubby, the "little green man on the gate"
    Last edited by jojo_the_joyful; 09-05-2012 at 4:54 PM. Reason: To clarify about reduced pensions etc
  • MissKitty
    Hi all again, just passing through & saw this thread still active. ( Hubby been in MPGS for almost 6 years)

    Firstly, when Hubby gets home, I will see if he remembers who he contacted ( nagged) about the MPGS & I will promise to post here with his answer.

    Yep he had to wait 4 weeks until he could join the MPGS, but some how they incorporated his training in that 4 weeks.

    Re pants pay & promotion & rank.

    There is a small rule that means your new wage (MPGS) and army pension can not exceed the total of your last "full time regular" wage, so for old timers, the incentive to get promoted & move about is small. It seems this works out equal for all as the higher the rank, the higher the pension. (Opting in or out does make a difference here). If you do earn more, your pension gets reduced. Sounds very more for less to me. But whilst in the MPGS, your aged 55 pension is added to.

    What we have found is that it is the younger guys, those with either no pension or a very small one, who are also "younger & fitter LOL " are the ones who actively seek speedy promotions, and good luck to them, if they are wanting to make a career, The "oldies",s they are being paid to do what they spent 24 years avoiding, but are happy for the non hassle, stability, regularity, familiarity, non stress, and rather relaxed atmosphere.

    They still have training days, ranges, and fitness tests, but get about 24 hours to do a BFT (13 mins or so).

    It really is "Dads Army" LOL but I call my hubby, the "little green man on the gate"
    Originally posted by jojo_the_joyful
    Hi jojo, thanks for your post.

    It's good to hear from someone who has a hubby already in the MPGS.

    I didn't know that their wage and pension combined cannot exceed their last army salary, I just asked hubby and he didn't know that either. I guess if you started flying through the ranks you could be raking it in with your wages and a full pension combined so I can see why that is in place. like you say not a good incentive to climb the ranks if your going to be earning too much and you loose some of your pension.

    My hubby wants to join for the security of having a job till he is 55 and you can't complain about the benefits that come with it.

    It's funny how they spend most of their army career trying to avoid duties only to take it up as a full time job when leaving,needs must when bills are to be paid.
  • geord925
    Just thought I would drop into this forum. I left the army after 12 years last August and Civvy street seems to have dried up of any decent paid jobs, so I applied for th MPGS in Febuary, and guess what??? still waiting. I have a friend that works in the careers office and he checks on the computer daily to see if anything has come through. At present it just says it my paperwork is in glasgow being processed. I also know that they are trying to get hold of around 400 extra MPGS staff due to being undermanned so can't understand the delay.
    I wish all those who have applied the best of luck and will be sure to add a post if I here anything.
  • MissKitty
    Just thought I would drop into this forum. I left the army after 12 years last August and Civvy street seems to have dried up of any decent paid jobs, so I applied for th MPGS in Febuary, and guess what??? still waiting. I have a friend that works in the careers office and he checks on the computer daily to see if anything has come through. At present it just says it my paperwork is in glasgow being processed. I also know that they are trying to get hold of around 400 extra MPGS staff due to being undermanned so can't understand the delay.
    I wish all those who have applied the best of luck and will be sure to add a post if I here anything.
    Originally posted by geord925
    Thanks for your post geord925.

    Fingers crossed for you that you hear something soon, it's worrying when there is a lack of decent jobs on the market at the moment.

    My husband is going into the careers office today to check in with them as he hasn't been in for a while. I'm sure they would of called him if something came up but it doesn't hurt to ask while he's in the area.

    He's not needed at work today (agency job) and it's worrying when that happens. If the process looks like it's going to take too long he's going to look for a permanent job as agency work isn't guaranteed. Mind you my friends husband works in the company next door to where my husband is, he's permanent and all the extra work there has been cut back so the company can make savings, times are so tough.
  • MissKitty
    Well, my hubby went into the army careers office yesterday for an update and nothing new to report. His application is in but still pending, so we'll just have to leave it in their hands and get on with life.

    There was 3 young lads sitting there waiting to talk to someone about joining the army, they had the most miserable looks on their faces and didn't look too happy to be there. Maybe mum had kicked them out of bed and told them to go and get a career.
  • geord925
    Well I hope he hears something soon. I have had no luck on the job front while Im waiting for the MPGS, Ive applied for Nissan in sunderland and about a million other jobs. Have even applied to G4S to do security during the olympics even though its 300 miles away from where I live.

    Thinking about the lads in the careers office you mentioned, how I wish I was in there shoes again.
  • Richie128
    Mpgs
    Hi all
    I have been waiting to get in the mpgs since feb and I went in the afco on Friday and got told that they are not taking anymore mpgs on at the mo. But I don't know if that means that people that r waiting will not get in or we will get in I got told to ring back this wens to find out what will happen??
  • MissKitty
    Well I hope he hears something soon. I have had no luck on the job front while Im waiting for the MPGS, Ive applied for Nissan in sunderland and about a million other jobs. Have even applied to G4S to do security during the olympics even though its 300 miles away from where I live.

    Thinking about the lads in the careers office you mentioned, how I wish I was in there shoes again.
    Originally posted by geord925
    Good luck with the job hunting geord925, I cant believe so many good people are in the same boat. I bet the MPGS has been inundated with applications and it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't taking anyone on at the moment.

    Even though there are downsides of joining the army now, like going to Iraq and risking your life, it can be a very good career if you stick at it and work hard. All the training and benefits that come with it are something you wouldn't get on civvy street. I have heard so many people say they are desperate to leave, but the grass isn't green on the other side at the moment!!
  • MissKitty
    Hi all
    I have been waiting to get in the mpgs since feb and I went in the afco on Friday and got told that they are not taking anymore mpgs on at the mo. But I don't know if that means that people that r waiting will not get in or we will get in I got told to ring back this wens to find out what will happen??
    Originally posted by Richie128
    Fingers crossed for you Ritchie128, let us all know what happens.

    I think it's just a case of playing the waiting game for everyone at the moment.

    My hubby has decided that if he is given too many more days off from his agency job he will look for something permanent, that's if he can find something. He's doing agency work so he can move on pretty quickly if he gets into the MPGS, but as it looks like he might not get in any time soon he's thinking ahead and will just have to move on and plan for the future.
  • Jud546
    Hi all
    I have been waiting to get in the mpgs since feb and I went in the afco on Friday and got told that they are not taking anymore mpgs on at the mo. But I don't know if that means that people that r waiting will not get in or we will get in I got told to ring back this wens to find out what will happen??
    Originally posted by Richie128
    Fingers crossed that they are just suspending further applications whilst they catch up with the back-log. After all it's pretty pointless accepting infinite future applications when they still haven't got through hundreds of previous ones.

    I'm not sure of figures, but I have heard that all the MGS (MoD Guard Service) are being done away with and will end up being replaced by MPGS-so the future is seeming pretty bright for MPGS-just wish Glasgow would pull it's finger out,lol).
  • Shaithis14
    Morning. Just a quick one from me. I am currently serving in the MPGS and have been in since 2005. Just to the people who say extras, barrier up, barrier down etc...yep, that is a small part of it.

    As for the recruitment and the wait. As Jud456 stated, the MGS are slowly being withdrawn and replaced by MPGS. As for the 400 figure mentioned, it is now up into the 1000+ needed to get us up to speed.

    The backlog does seem to be at Glasgows end, I understand the frustration on this but they really do have a lot on their plates (as my commander will testify everytime he rings them). Just keep plugging away at it, you will get sorted.

    Most shifts are 12hr duties. Either days or nights. Most sites do a 4 on 4 off policy, which also gives you a great homelife too. Ideal after the previous service of tours and postings.

    The starting pay is a bit poo, but when you compare it to what is out there it is good. Lets not forget that the housing is also there too. MQs and SLA.

    The question about how quick in rank....Depends how good you are, how your SJAR is written and could sometimes depend on location. There has recently been rules placed which dictate how long you need to be in each rank before you are eligble for promotion to the next rank.

    Also, the bit about the pension capping and ranks. If I am not mistaken that has been stopped. Pension abatement I think it is called. A colleague of mine was scuppered by this rule and has now been informed that he doesn't have to worry. So, he has taken his promtion.

    Sorry this has dragged on a bit, just wanted to give a few bits of info from somebody who is in the MPGS. Hope it helps some people. Keep bugging ACIO and Glasgow, it is worth it in the end.
  • Jud546
    Thanks for the info Shaithis14,

    Excellent news if they've binned the pension abatement. It's just strange how some people get in within weeks and others wait an absolute age, but I guess no one can second guess how Glasgow goes about its business.
  • MissKitty
    Morning. Just a quick one from me. I am currently serving in the MPGS and have been in since 2005. Just to the people who say extras, barrier up, barrier down etc...yep, that is a small part of it.

    As for the recruitment and the wait. As Jud456 stated, the MGS are slowly being withdrawn and replaced by MPGS. As for the 400 figure mentioned, it is now up into the 1000+ needed to get us up to speed.

    The backlog does seem to be at Glasgows end, I understand the frustration on this but they really do have a lot on their plates (as my commander will testify everytime he rings them). Just keep plugging away at it, you will get sorted.

    Most shifts are 12hr duties. Either days or nights. Most sites do a 4 on 4 off policy, which also gives you a great homelife too. Ideal after the previous service of tours and postings.

    The starting pay is a bit poo, but when you compare it to what is out there it is good. Lets not forget that the housing is also there too. MQs and SLA.

    The question about how quick in rank....Depends how good you are, how your SJAR is written and could sometimes depend on location. There has recently been rules placed which dictate how long you need to be in each rank before you are eligble for promotion to the next rank.

    Also, the bit about the pension capping and ranks. If I am not mistaken that has been stopped. Pension abatement I think it is called. A colleague of mine was scuppered by this rule and has now been informed that he doesn't have to worry. So, he has taken his promtion.

    Sorry this has dragged on a bit, just wanted to give a few bits of info from somebody who is in the MPGS. Hope it helps some people. Keep bugging ACIO and Glasgow, it is worth it in the end.
    Originally posted by Shaithis14
    Thank you so much for taking the time to post on our MPGS forum, Shaithis14.

    My hubby and I have just read through your post and you gave us and others on here alot of good information and hope. It's always good to hear from someone who is in the post already.

    The news about the pension abatement is good, there is no incentive to get promoted if your going to loose part of your pension you have worked so hard for.

    Good luck everyone and keep us all updated if you hear anything.
    Last edited by MissKitty; 15-05-2012 at 8:30 PM.
    • Knowhow
    • By Knowhow 17th May 12, 9:34 PM
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    Knowhow
    Hi

    I am hoping to join MPGS. After reading various forums I wont expect to be recruited this year if at all. I have been out the Army 5.5 years and regret it.

    All the best to those with applications in. I just need to get to my careers office to get the ball rolling.
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