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cottlad
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Hiya
My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay :)
Her pay is pro rata on scale £17,681.
On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
£17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

Any help appreciated cheers.

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  • Comms69
    Comms69 Posts: 14,229 Forumite
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    Working days I suspect; but it’s a strange calculation.

    Actually I’m unclear about the paid leave bit- I’ll stick with the not included in the calculation but given I’m yet to resolve my partners similar situation I’ll leave it as probably not including.

    You’re mostly correct, it’s 5.6 weeks leave per year, but pro rata’d - but she may be due enhanced leave as per contract.
  • General_Grant
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    cottlad wrote: »
    Hiya
    My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay :)
    Her pay is pro rata on scale £17,681.
    On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
    £17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

    What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
    My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

    Any help appreciated cheers.


    Is is a "permanent" contract or is the calculation up to, for example, Easter?
  • silvercar
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    Is her contract term time only or term time plus 2 weeks?

    That would explain the 190/229. 190 would be 38 full weeks, whereas the 229 may be the number of days full time including holidays that full timers work.

    Teachers are considered to be full time when working 195 days, of which 190 can be teaching pupils. So the 229 is odd.
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    A bit of googling. TAs are very often employed on term time only contracts. So would be paid for say 38 weeks a year plus pro-rata annual leave.

    So if you were entitled to 5.6 weeks a year, on a 38 week contract that reduces to 5.6 x 38/ 52= 4.1 weeks. Either that is going to be added to the days required to work or used to cover eg bank holidays in term time.

    It may be that the 190 includes some leave days - it certainly should!
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  • PersianCatLady
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    cottlad wrote: »
    Hiya
    My wifey just got qualified and taken on at a local school for 27.5hrs/week. Yay :)
    Her pay is pro rata on scale £17,681.
    On her terms of employment it gives an equation as follows:
    £17,681 x 27.5/37 x 190/229

    What does the 190/229 bit account for? Does this include paid leave entitlement?
    My theory is that she'll be actually working 39 weeks but should acrue paid leave during that so should be actually paid for 43 or so weeks? Amirite? Obviously any leave has to be taken during school holidays.

    Any help appreciated cheers.

    The best thing your wife can do is to ask the school to explain how the calculation works.

    That way, she will get an accurate answer.
  • cottlad
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    The school doesn't seem very sure at all lol. It does say in the small print that holiday entitlement will be added to salary so think best we just wait for 1st payslip and see what it says.
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    silvercar wrote: »
    A bit of googling. TAs are very often employed on term time only contracts. So would be paid for say 38 weeks a year plus pro-rata annual leave.

    So if you were entitled to 5.6 weeks a year, on a 38 week contract that reduces to 5.6 x 38/ 52= 4.1 weeks. Either that is going to be added to the days required to work or used to cover eg bank holidays in term time.

    It may be that the 190 includes some leave days - it certainly should!
    52 weeks includes holiday weeks the correct calculation if you work 38 is.

    5.6 x 38/(52-5.6)
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    getmore4less wrote: »
    52 weeks includes holiday weeks the correct calculation if you work 38 is.

    5.6 x 38/(52-5.6)

    Not sure you should deduct the 5.6 in the denominator.

    What if a full timer gets 26 weeks a year, the 38 weeker gets

    26 x 38 / (52 - 26) = 38

    So all holidays. Woo hoo!!!
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    ffacoffipawb wrote: »
    Not sure you should deduct the 5.6 in the denominator.

    What if a full timer gets 26 weeks a year, the 38 weeker gets

    26 x 38 / (52 - 26) = 38

    So all holidays. Woo hoo!!!


    The holidays are additional to the work weeks they don't replace them.

    If 26 weeks earns 26 weeks holiday that's the year 52 weeks used you can't work more than 26 weeks.
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