On less pay than colleagues doing exact same job
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Am assuming that you agreed this salary when first joined your company and signed a contract to this effect? If you weren't happy with the salary during the pay negotiations then why did you accept it?
You were happy with the starting salary hence why you signed the employment contract but now you're not happy because you discovered a peer is on an enhanced rate, maybe you should have asked your current employers to reveal all of its staff's salaries at final interview stage so you could make a balanced judgement. Or maybe you should just suck it up or leave to get another job where you think you will get paid more.0 -
xapprenticex wrote: »This is why staff should not be talking about salary at work.
Why shouldnt they. Anyone with any integrity wouldn't expect to earn more than anyone else for doing the same job. Im always open with my colleagues about my salary and if i find someone is earning more than me for doing the same role, I want to know Why?0 -
Why shouldnt they. Anyone with any integrity wouldn't expect to earn more than anyone else for doing the same job. Im always open with my colleagues about my salary and if i find someone is earning more than me for doing the same role, I want to know Why?
I disagree. If it's a really simple job then maybe you could say everyone should be paid the same. But the more skilled the job is then your much more likely to get people who are better at it than others. So the people who are better at the job and provide more value to the company should be paid more.0 -
There's no law saying people doing the same job have to be paid the same.
well thats not exactly true ..
EU law could apply if there is any sexual discrimination either direct or indirect
that being that they should get equal pay for equal work
But obviously if there is no sexual discrimination then you are right
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No, I wasn't happy with the rate. I was naive AND I was desperate. Not a great combination.0
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Why shouldnt they. Anyone with any integrity wouldn't expect to earn more than anyone else for doing the same job. Im always open with my colleagues about my salary and if i find someone is earning more than me for doing the same role, I want to know Why?
That's a very naive way of considering matters, if it was an hourly rate attached to a job packing items into boxes for example then yes you are correct.
If its a salaried role then there may be a pay band associated with the role depending on the incumbents experience or qualifications. It may even boil down to how hard the contract negotiations were when the job was offered or even how desperate the company were to recruit a person into the business.0 -
I disagree. If it's a really simple job then maybe you could say everyone should be paid the same. But the more skilled the job is then your much more likely to get people who are better at it than others. So the people who are better at the job and provide more value to the company should be paid more.
So who decides who is better at the job? Should be same rate of pay for all, unless its a specialist managerial role for instance.That's a very naive way of considering matters, if it was an hourly rate attached to a job packing items into boxes for example then yes you are correct.
If its a salaried role then there may be a pay band associated with the role depending on the incumbents experience or qualifications. It may even boil down to how hard the contract negotiations were when the job was offered or even how desperate the company were to recruit a person into the business.
That seems unfair that the only criteria for getting a higher salary is that the candidate asked for it at interview. If they can offer a candidate more money then all similar existed staff should get the same.0 -
That seems unfair that the only criteria for getting a higher salary is that the candidate asked for it at interview. If they can offer a candidate more money then all similar existed staff should get the same.
It doesn't work that way.
I'm an employer I want to employ both A and B. A is OK, well qualified and accepted the salary I offered him. B similarly well qualified, but shrewder, more able to demonstrate his worth, didn't accept what I offered A. I want B so I offer him more.If you are querying your Council Tax band would you please state whether you are in England, Scotland or Wales0 -
So who decides who is better at the job? Should be same rate of pay for all, unless its a specialist managerial role for instance.
If a job requires a certain amount of skill then there are usually people who are better at the job than others and often quantifiable ways to measure how good someone is at their job, depending on what job it is.
The most obvious example of this is a job in sales. If you have 2 salespeople working for you and one consistently makes 5 sales a week and the other makes 10 a week. Then the person who makes 10 sales a week and generates twice as much money for the company should be paid more (usually in the form of a bonus).
Another example is in a manufacturing environment where the production process is very manual and requires specific skills. Most people may produce 10 widgets a day, but the some people may be able to produce 12 a day. So they are generating 20% more products in the same time which generates more money for the company. So why shouldn't they be paid more, if they are not then what's stopping them slowing down and not putting too much effort in if they only need to make 10 a day to keep with everyone else.
Even in a role such as handling complaints in a call center. If an after call survey shows that the average percentage of complaints resolved in 1 call is 65% and one person is consistently get 80% then why shouldn't they be rewarded with extra pay if they are putting in more effort?.
I could go on and give many many more examples of how you can measure how well an employee is performing in a quantifiable way. Which is something that should definitely be done then you can see which employees are performing above expectations and putting in the extra effort. If a workplace doesn't reward the employees who do extra then they will stop doing it and loose motivation and end up performing the same as everyone else.0 -
... if i find someone is earning more than me for doing the same role, I want to know Why?
Exactly. And in many of the examples given in this thread there is no need for secrecy, the employer could say exactly why someone was being paid more, and what other employees could do to be paid as much.But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,Had the whole of their cash in his care.
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