Is this renovation budget reasonable?

I bought a 3 bed detached house recently with my partner, and need to modernise it as it has not been touched in over 20 years. We're first time buyers and not much DIY experience in practice, although we have done some bits and bobs previously. So, thought I'd ask if you think it is reasonable to expect to be able to get the below works done for under £30k?
  • Remove old kitchen
  • Knock through kitchen wall to open up dining room - check with structural engineer if viable
  • Remove floors
  • Rewiring
  • Built in cupboard conversion to small ensuite, including moving boiler downstairs along same wall
  • Replastering everywhere
  • New floors
  • Repainting everything
  • Kitchen installation
We've found a kitchen for around £6k that we like, but for the rest, not sure what to expect - the ranges provided online are very broad! We'd need tradesmen to do most of it - the only things we can do ourselves are laying flooring (laminate mostly everwhere except kitchen where we'd have tiles), painting, and attempting to remove parts of the old kitchen, avoiding parts where we could be electrocuted :rotfl:
We're in North Oxfordshire if that helps - not London prices.
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  • I think you'll find your budget a bit tight. Not saying it will be impossible but you'll really need to be watching the pennies. I'd estimate at least half of your planned budget will go on the kitchen and all related works.

    Re-plastering (I assume remedial work from rewiring and skimming only) could easily swallow up £2-3k - does it all need a re-skim?

    En-suite plus associated works like moving boiler could easily take another £5k.

    Re-wire - who knows but again I'd budget for at least a couple of grand. Maybe more.

    New flooring and redecorating throughout (assuming you pay for a decorator) there's another couple of grand at least (depends on the flooring - if you're having good laminate, engineered or wooden flooring this will cost more).

    In all of the above cases I might be over-estimating but it's better to over-estimate rather than under-estimate. Also allow for some contingency.

    If you could stretch to £40k I think you'd find it a bit more comfortable.
  • spadoosh
    spadoosh Posts: 8,732 Forumite
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    Used to sell kitchens and a very rough rule was the cost to fit (including removal) was roughly the same amount as the cost of the kitchen. Bearing in mind the fitting we charged was more expensive than a local trader might be so if you want to spend £6k on a kitchen a ball park total cost would be about £12k. Obviously theres lots of ifs and buts (moving electrics, pipework etc).

    I had a non structual wall removed for £200 by a trade friend. My neighbour paid about £1000 -£1500 for a structual wall to be removed and secured again by a friend in the trade.

    Remove floors, do yourself (im assuming you mean floor covering and not floor boards so things like carpet, laminate tiles etc). Its just physical work with not much skill needed. You can save money there.

    Rewiring, get done before your kitchen as your kitchen will need to be part P! compliant (of building regs) which means having its own consumer unit. Let your electrician know about planned works.

    It depends on the viability of the cupboard becoming a toilet. Getting a soil pipe to it might be an issue which might mean lots of ground works and thus expense. Theres a good chance moving a boiler might be expensive, again it depends on how easy it might be.

    plastering again varies to the level of plastering required, if its a reskim a whole house could be done for £3-5k. If its going back to brick youd be looking more probably £6k+

    Painting, about £50 a room. The prep work tends to dictate the finish so spend more time getting the walls right than painting (if youre replastering shouldnt be much issue) easily DIY. Dont know decorator costs.

    Kitchen install as above.


    I wouldnt say its impossible for £30k but you could also spend a good portion of that on just the kitchen if you let yourself run away with things.

    Prioritise work, concentrate on the structure. So electrics, plumbing, plastering etc first. Once youve got the 'hard' work done it should help prioritising the budget for the rest of the works.

    Also getting the messy stuff out of the way means you shouldnt have to go back on yourself. Also be thinking to the future. Adding something like ethernet cables in to your electrics is an expensive addition, if your having a rewire, it shouldnt add that much cost to the job but when it comes to sell or practically for you as a family it might be a nice bonus. The same with things like integrated fire alarms, house alarms etc.

    Try not to rush in to it. I rushed in to sorting out my utility room, looks mint but now id prefer it if id made it a dining room. I planned and fitted a pretty epic looking bathroom suite. Had a baby and all the glass panels seem impractical now. try and spend time living in the house to see how you think its best being used.

    Have fun!
  • Thank you both for the detailed answers, this is all very helpful!
    I don't think we're rushing into things - at least, I hope not - we've been planning for about a month and are getting quotes next week for work we want done. It's unfortunately not really feasible to live in the house for a while because the previous owners smoked inside and everything stinks pretty badly. :( This is also why everything needs a replaster - I presume skimming would be enough, no need to go back to the brickwork.
    But indeed we have prioritised doing messy things first - we hadn't intended to do the wall and ensuite at first but then we realised we don't want to mess everything up in 1-2 years' time again.

    SOmething you both mentioned about the kitchen is not clear to me though.
    If I'm paying an electrician to rewire the house anyway, and plasterers to replaster everywhere, then surely I wouldn't need to pay the kitchen fitter for all that all over again, would I?
    Basically we'd get the kitchen units ready to put in for about £6k (tiles would be laid by ourselves beforehand, and old kitchen removed) and pay a fitter to basically put the cabinets in and connect the appliances. Am I missing something here or is that really not anither £6k worth of work?! :-)

    As I said, no plans to pay any decorators, doing that ourselves. :-)
  • spadoosh
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    Weve (im certainly) only suggesting rough costs.

    No you shouldnt need to pay for it again. The majority of work in a kitchen though doesnt normally consist of electrics and plaster work. Both are only really a days work at most when fitting a kitchen and youll usually be told about a week to replace a kitchen. So youve got 5 other days worth of costs that make up the bulk of fitting a kitchen.

    If you can make savings im not suggesting avoiding them. Nor would i suggest paying for things you dont need. At the moment we're going off you wanting a new kitchen and have seen one for £6k. Its difficult to estimate fitting costs from that.
  • Of course, I get that :) I am just trying to understand what it is (what actual tasks) that cost so much according to your estimate? Assuming they only need to put in the actual cabinets, fix the wall ones to the wall, and install appliances, since the wiring and plastering/tiling will have been done by other tradesmen already. What else would they have to do?
  • spadoosh
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    Replace waste piping.
    Replace water inlets.
    Lots of leveling.
    Fit worktops.
    Mitre worktops.
    Lots of sealing.
    Snagging.
    As well as the other stuff thats been monetioned.

    You dont pay for tasks though. You pay for someone. So whilst your paying for the tasks others things youre paying for include: Liability insurance, gaps in work, marketing, rates, vehicle expenses, their childs swimming classes etc.

    I like my DIY for those reasons. My bathroom cost £2.5k. Had it been fitted by someone else that price would be nearer £7.5k. Time is cheap to me and i had the confidence in my skills to do it so i couldnt see value in it. If time was expensive or i didnt have the skills im restricted to paying the going rates.
  • ani*fan
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    Hi there

    I'm in the middle of a 2 bed flat renoavation and thought I'd offer a thought or two about plannign and cost.

    You need to know beforehand what work needs doing and who is going to do what, so you can get it in the right order and save some cash. Use the report you got when you bought the house and your own survey. Unless you are employing a project manager to think this through for you, you need to know yourself. You will be employing lots of different specialists to do different jobs, all with different thoughts and opinions, some who will be helpful and some who won't. You'll need a plan. Always get more than one quote for each job. Preferably 3.

    For example, rewiring is messy and disruptive to everything and should be one of the first things to get done after making your building secure and watertight. But, you will need an idea of the kitchen layout before this gets done so you know where things like power points and lights need to go, even though it may be some time til the kitchen gets fitted.

    I'd advise looking up some project management sites online. It's not rocket science, and you sound sensible so you should be alright, just don't depend on your contractors to know or care what order things should happen in. If you have to undo work then that's an expense you don't need. You can also ask on here about quotes you've been given and whether or not they're reasonable. That's really helpful. Overall, this could cost a fortune or it could come in on budget. Depends how you go.

    Best of luck. :)
    If you know you have enough, you're rich. ;)
  • spadoosh wrote: »
    You dont pay for tasks though. You pay for someone. So whilst your paying for the tasks others things youre paying for include: Liability insurance, gaps in work, marketing, rates, vehicle expenses, their childs swimming classes etc.

    I'm also a freelancer - don't I know that! ;) Don't misconstrue my question. I simply don't think all those things are £6k of work - because I can most definitely fly in someone from my native country and get it done for half that at most, of course I would rather pay a local tradesman to do it as it should not be that many days of work from what I have researched. Our cabinets will come pre-assembled mostly - we can install most of them ourselves, although of course a fitter will be needed for worktops and such. :)
    ani*fan wrote: »
    Best of luck. :)

    Thank you for your detailed post, hope your project is going well! :-)
    I used to be a PM in a past life funnily enough, so I already have a Gantt chart going with a list of tasks! :rotfl:Of course there may be overlap in some of them / the contractors doing them - we are trying to get a builder in who can do several bits, and so on.
    What do you think of the below order? We tried to prioritise everything so the last bits can wait several months even, if need be.

    Remove old kitchen
    Knock through kitchen wall
    Remove floors
    Rewiring - first fix
    Ensuite - structural
    Plastering
    Kitchen floor
    Rewiring - second fix
    Kitchen installation
    Bedroom floor
    En suite - fittings
    Painting - essentials
    Painting - remaining
    Floors - remaining
  • cranford
    cranford Posts: 797 Forumite
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    Well maybe I can save you some money on the kitchen if you are going to DIY! I have done a few in the past but life has go easier for DIY. The units now come pre-assembled and the range of sizes has increased somewhat. I last used https://www.diy-kitchens.com who have colour matching cabinets and plinths and cornices that can save you money and a vast range. Much cheaper than the normal DIY sheds and national kitchen chains.
  • What makes you think it needs a complete rewire? You will almost certainly need upgrades (the consumer unit for starters) if its non-compliant and you want to have any work done that involves new circuits (especially for the kitchen) but it doesn't necessarily need a total rewire unless its severely lacking in sockets. Get an electrician in to advise. Did you get an electrics condition report when you bought it? If not it might be worth paying the £150-200 to get one.
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