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    • 30ismorethan171991haha
    • By 30ismorethan171991haha 22nd Jun 17, 1:37 AM
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    Universal JObmatch
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    • 22nd Jun 17, 1:37 AM
    Universal JObmatch 22nd Jun 17 at 1:37 AM
    Hi i'm new here.

    I signed up to Universal JObmatch, but then do I have to log-on and apply for jobs everyday?
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    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 24th Jun 17, 12:26 PM
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    When my OH and I were signing on last year, we were both told that we had to have a UJM account, and had to log on to it every day, and make an entry to prove that.
    I used to frequently tell them how rubbish it was and how many scam/non existent vacancies/dead links there were on there.
    We eventually found jobs through Reed and Totaljobs.
    The DWP are totally useless and played no part whatsoever in getting me work. They seem to exist purely as a means to sanction or intimidate people.
    Originally posted by andygb
    You are correct in a way, they exist to get you off JSA and into a job.

    You dont HAVE to apply through UJM, you can use reed (which tbf, has just as many fake jobs) and make a note of the job you applied for in the notes section of UJM, it was intended to be a way of keeping track of everything through the website and saving on handing out paper.
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 25th Jun 17, 7:19 AM
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    You are correct in a way, they exist to get you off JSA and into a job.

    You dont HAVE to apply through UJM, you can use reed (which tbf, has just as many fake jobs) and make a note of the job you applied for in the notes section of UJM, it was intended to be a way of keeping track of everything through the website and saving on handing out paper.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    And a way of trying to control people's lives.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 25th Jun 17, 8:46 AM
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    And a way of trying to control people's lives.
    Originally posted by mattcanary
    of course!! And so it should be. Remember, you went to them, they didnt go to you. we all know what we are signing up for::

    money
    rent
    council tax
    prescription
    dental

    In return you play ball with DWP. and get a job asap, even if its something you dont really want (all explained before you sign that contract in return for money).

    an employer controls your life to a greater degree when you think about it, but jsa and co is usually looked at as something we are just entitled to, not something we have to earn or at least 'do something' for. if it gets bad, you can always walk away from it.
    Last edited by xapprenticex; 25-06-2017 at 8:54 AM.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 25th Jun 17, 1:00 PM
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    of course!! And so it should be. Remember, you went to them, they didnt go to you. we all know what we are signing up for::

    money
    rent
    council tax
    prescription
    dental

    In return you play ball with DWP. and get a job asap, even if its something you dont really want (all explained before you sign that contract in return for money).

    an employer controls your life to a greater degree when you think about it, but jsa and co is usually looked at as something we are just entitled to, not something we have to earn or at least 'do something' for. if it gets bad, you can always walk away from it.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    In my case its Money only 73.10 per week. Don't qualify for anything else. Why shouldnt your average person be able to claim the normal 6 months jsa without getting grief from the Job centre plus staff and forced to jump through hoops. You are entltled to it FFS. Thats what you pay NI contributions for isnt it to insure against being genuinely unemployed

    You should also be entitled to look for employment in your recognised field of work for these 6 months and not forced to apply for anything

    It reminds me of all these high cost insurance policies you have to fork out every year and when you need to claim, you are refused payment on a small technicality
    Last edited by Stylehutz; 25-06-2017 at 1:02 PM.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 25th Jun 17, 1:31 PM
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    In my case its Money only 73.10 per week. Don't qualify for anything else. Why shouldnt your average person be able to claim the normal 6 months jsa without getting grief from the Job centre plus staff and forced to jump through hoops. You are entltled to it FFS. Thats what you pay NI contributions for isnt it to insure against being genuinely unemployed

    You should also be entitled to look for employment in your recognised field of work for these 6 months and not forced to apply for anything

    It reminds me of all these high cost insurance policies you have to fork out every year and when you need to claim, you are refused payment on a small technicality
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Doesn't work like that, i think you have the initial 6 month thing confused, all that period allows is for you to get JSA regardless of how much money you have in the bank.

    as for the rest, contact you MP and get yourself into a position of influence or fall in line. harsh but its the truth.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 25th Jun 17, 2:42 PM
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    Doesn't work like that, i think you have the initial 6 month thing confused, all that period allows is for you to get JSA regardless of how much money you have in the bank.

    as for the rest, contact you MP and get yourself into a position of influence or fall in line. harsh but its the truth.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    It should work like that for claimants basic jsa. Nothing else like rent etc. As I said you have paid into the system with your contribution based ni payments that cover this type of thing occurring. You should not get any grief from job centre staff or forced to jump through their hoops.
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 25th Jun 17, 3:00 PM
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    It reminds me of all these high cost insurance policies you have to fork out every year and when you need to claim, you are refused payment on a small technicality
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    Very similar - insurers need to balance what they take in and what they pay out. If they paid out without trying so hard to keep claims low they would need to raise charges. If you want insurance which will pay out for 6 months of unemployment without pressurising you into getting a job, any job, you would need to pay much more for it - or self insure, by accumulating 6 months of savings. Most people don't feel they want to or can do this so need to put up with the rules of the bare minimum scheme (JSA).
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 25th Jun 17, 3:08 PM
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    Very similar - insurers need to balance what they take in and what they pay out. If they paid out without trying so hard to keep claims low they would need to raise charges. If you want insurance which will pay out for 6 months of unemployment without pressurising you into getting a job, any job, you would need to pay much more for it - or self insure, by accumulating 6 months of savings. Most people don't feel they want to or can do this so need to put up with the rules of the bare minimum scheme (JSA).
    Originally posted by theoretica
    So why are we paying Ni contributions as that is what payment from Jsa comes from. If it isnt for this then our ni payments should be lower.

    You are obviously entitled to the 73.10 per week as you have satisfied the critetia of paying adequate ni contributions for part 2 tax years. Why should you be forced to jump through hoops and not look for work in your specialised area.
    Last edited by Stylehutz; 25-06-2017 at 3:18 PM. Reason: Add paragraph
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 25th Jun 17, 4:05 PM
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    So why are we paying Ni contributions as that is what payment from Jsa comes from. If it isnt for this then our ni payments should be lower.

    You are obviously entitled to the 73.10 per week as you have satisfied the critetia of paying adequate ni contributions for part 2 tax years. Why should you be forced to jump through hoops and not look for work in your specialised area.
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    You are forgetting about state pension.
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 25th Jun 17, 4:58 PM
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    You are forgetting about state pension.
    Originally posted by xapprenticex
    Also some NI goes to the NHS.
    But a banker, engaged at enormous expense,
    Had the whole of their cash in his care.
    Lewis Carroll
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 26th Jun 17, 7:40 AM
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    In what other area of life would the state (or a company) be allowed to get away with snooping on their customers, members of the public or employees?
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 26th Jun 17, 3:35 PM
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    Thats what you pay NI contributions for isnt it to insure against being genuinely unemployed
    Originally posted by Stylehutz
    No, you pay NI contributions because if you don't pay tax you get arrested.

    Your NI contributions, which are income tax by another name, pay for benefits and pensions currently in payment. At the point you are claiming benefits or pensions they will be paid for by those currently in work. There is no National Insurance fund.

    It reminds me of all these high cost insurance policies you have to fork out every year and when you need to claim, you are refused payment on a small technicality
    The payout rate for income protection and critical illness policies is well over 90% (99% for life insurance). Given that insurance fraud is endemic in this country, those percentages mean that if you haven't lied or tried to cut corners, insurance policies will pay out.
    • RedfordML
    • By RedfordML 26th Jun 17, 3:42 PM
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    I think 2 hours a day would be plenty. In a job and if I search for longer than that in an evening, it becomes sole destroying.


    I think (if possible) time is better spent on exercise, going for a run (free) and getting mentally ready and improve personal confidence as being unemployed is not for everyone. Make sure its a productive 2 hours, 3 or 4 websites, note down everything and if you apply just add that to the original 2 hours.


    Good luck.
    • Malthusian
    • By Malthusian 26th Jun 17, 3:44 PM
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    In what other area of life would the state (or a company) be allowed to get away with snooping on their customers, members of the public or employees?
    Originally posted by mattcanary
    Well apart from telecommunications, taxation, transport, health, industry, charitable activity, the environment, housing, finance, firearms, child protection, pets, food safety, and the coastguard, I can't think of any.

    Of course that's just the state, if we include "snooping" by the likes of Facebook and Uber we could be here all day.
    • Stylehutz
    • By Stylehutz 26th Jun 17, 5:21 PM
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    Well apart from telecommunications, taxation, transport, health, industry, charitable activity, the environment, housing, finance, firearms, child protection, pets, food safety, and the coastguard, I can't think of any.

    Of course that's just the state, if we include "snooping" by the likes of Facebook and Uber we could be here all day.
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    Well this probably just has to be the most stupidist response i have Seen to any Mse post this year. It really just isnt worth argueing against
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 26th Jun 17, 6:02 PM
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    Well apart from telecommunications, taxation, transport, health, industry, charitable activity, the environment, housing, finance, firearms, child protection, pets, food safety, and the coastguard, I can't think of any.

    Of course that's just the state, if we include "snooping" by the likes of Facebook and Uber we could be here all day.
    Originally posted by Malthusian
    They don;t snoop in remotely the same way that advisers can if you allow them access to Universal Jobmatch.
    Do insurance companies snoop into what policyholders do on a daily basis, for example?
    • mattcanary
    • By mattcanary 26th Jun 17, 6:05 PM
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    I think 2 hours a day would be plenty. In a job and if I search for longer than that in an evening, it becomes sole destroying.


    I think (if possible) time is better spent on exercise, going for a run (free) and getting mentally ready and improve personal confidence as being unemployed is not for everyone. Make sure its a productive 2 hours, 3 or 4 websites, note down everything and if you apply just add that to the original 2 hours.


    Good luck.
    Originally posted by RedfordML
    Exactly. Being successful in finding work is far more dependant upon getting into the right state of mind, rather than spending 35 or 37 hours a week doing the same old thing and getting precisely nowhere. Pity the DWP aren't as sensible - well, I;m sure that many members of staff there think the same thing but they're not allowed to say it!
    It;s the members of staff that are the sticklers for daft rules that are the problem.
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 26th Jun 17, 7:34 PM
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    Im all for looking for work each day but i agree, 35 hours a week would not be realistic, as far as job search goes. What i would advocate is volunteering and helping your community and studying, that plus job search would take quite a few hours a week. Plenty things out there.


    For the record, i went to JCP in 2015, i managed to get a job before my first appt, though i did attend my first appt to tell them i wont be returning. At no point was i told that i have to look for work for 35 hours. I've been on both sides of the table and that just does not happen unless they know you are taking the pi##
    • nmr1991
    • By nmr1991 26th Jun 17, 11:12 PM
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    i used to give in paper evidence of my jobsearch, although my adviser is not at all strict and is quite empathetic to my situation, they insist that their bosses will start breathing down their necks if I don't use the UJM for logging jobs every day and they used to accept just 1 job per day, now they ask for 10 a day (which I do already on average) but requires so much work on my part. They didn't mind me having it on paper, its their boss the jobcentre manager that has to review its own staff and has to work to the budget set for the region. I knew the manager before this new IDS clone came in and screwed everything up by putting everyone onto universal credit - the manager before was also understanding of my situation gave me some work placements to see where I might fit in. Now the 'sanction' centre does nothing for me so I signed off my claim and currently on nothing atm.
    • DevilsMoJo
    • By DevilsMoJo 27th Jun 17, 12:08 AM
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    I notice the snake oil sales about volunteering and a positive attitude. Philip Green/Simon Cowell/David Beckham would love to make money from your hard work while paying nothing.
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