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    • bluther
    • By bluther 21st Nov 16, 8:17 AM
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    bluther
    What can you do when you're living in a rent-controlled building? Does the landlord pay for that?
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 21st Nov 16, 8:20 AM
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    Cardew
    Welcome to the forum.

    It is not normal for the Landlord to pay for water charges. Look at your rental agreement.
    • adindas
    • By adindas 28th Nov 16, 2:17 PM
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    I am living in London Zone 3. My property is currently unmetred and I am currently paying around 37 a month for three bedrooms property single occupancy.

    I have been offered by Thames Water to get a meter and I am seriously considering it as based on the experience of my neighbors with similar occupancy pattern with me who has done that said she saved around 17 a month.

    What I would like to know is that. If I move from unmetred to metered
    1. I understand there is not any cost involve. Am I getting it right ?
    2. I am considering renting it in the future when I have the second property. If I move back to meter. Could I still do that ? How much is it going to cost to do that ??
    3. What other pitfalls of doing that I will to be careful.

    Thank you for your time ...

    Having changed to a water meter in January 2005, my bills are now considerably lower than last year. It remains to be seen whether or not they will stay as low as that, but the monthly payment is based on the answers given to a questionnaire by Severn Trent that is supposed to work out your average water consumption. They ask everything from how many times do you use the toilet per week to how much you use a hose pipe.

    I use a dishwasher 3 times week, use washing machine 4 times a week, I have an 11 year old son, and between us we have 2 baths and approximately 10 showers per week. My bill has dropped from 34 (last years bill, so would probably be higher than that now) to 16.60 per month. Obviously when you pay by direct debit you only actually pay 8 month whereas now I am paying over 12. This is still a saving of 80+ though. I found all the information on the website for Severn Trent including the questionnaire to work out water consumption and cost so it will be worth you having a look at the site for your own supplier.
    Originally posted by MoneyMinx
    Last edited by adindas; 28-11-2016 at 2:57 PM.
    • ASavvyBuyer
    • By ASavvyBuyer 12th Dec 16, 7:09 PM
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    Nobody has even mentioned about gardeners when discussing water meters.
    Originally posted by dorix
    We are also just two people living in our home and are also keen gardeners with a 1/3 acre garden. But for watering the plants we have water butts, 5 in total for the garden, which provide ample "free" water.

    We are on a water meter and just pay 10 a month, as we also have one of our toilets fed by water from some water butts for flushing the loo, rather than using mains water we have to pay for.
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    • Eric Disley
    • By Eric Disley 12th Dec 16, 9:22 PM
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    Eric Disley
    I am living in London Zone 3. My property is currently unmetred and I am currently paying around 37 a month for three bedrooms property single occupancy.

    I have been offered by Thames Water to get a meter and I am seriously considering it as based on the experience of my neighbors with similar occupancy pattern with me who has done that said she saved around 17 a month.

    What I would like to know is that. If I move from unmetred to metered
    1. I understand there is not any cost involve. Am I getting it right ?
    2. I am considering renting it in the future when I have the second property. If I move back to meter. Could I still do that ? How much is it going to cost to do that ??
    3. What other pitfalls of doing that I will to be careful.

    Thank you for your time ...
    Originally posted by adindas
    You may want to check with the water company but in our region (Severn Trent) there's no cost for installing a water meter. You've got two years to decide if you want to keep it. If you decide you don't want the meter any more e.g. because your bills have actually gone up you can revert to paying a fixed amount each month based on your property's rateable value.

    To be honest, I can't really see any pitfalls. Unless you've got a large garden that you regularly water, or some other reason for using a lot of water, you ought to make a significant saving and, if you don't, you can switch back.
    Last edited by Eric Disley; 12-12-2016 at 9:26 PM.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 12th Dec 16, 9:39 PM
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    Although the person who applies for a meter can revert back to charges based on the Rateable value, the water meter stays in situ and subsequent occupants will pay metered charges.
    • Marvqn1
    • By Marvqn1 22nd Dec 16, 12:07 PM
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    If a water meter was already installed when you moved into the house, does this mean if you've lived in the house for years there is no option to switch to unmetered?
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 22nd Dec 16, 3:11 PM
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    If a water meter was already installed when you moved into the house, does this mean if you've lived in the house for years there is no option to switch to unmetered?
    Originally posted by Marvqn1
    Yes you cannot revert to unmetered(RV based) charges.

    The only exception is if the account holder applied for a meter. They(the account holder) then have the option to revert within 2 years(1 year with some companies) to unmetered charges.
    • adindas
    • By adindas 26th Dec 16, 11:47 PM
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    adindas
    You may want to check with the water company but in our region (Severn Trent) there's no cost for installing a water meter. You've got two years to decide if you want to keep it. If you decide you don't want the meter any more e.g. because your bills have actually gone up you can revert to paying a fixed amount each month based on your property's rateable value.

    To be honest, I can't really see any pitfalls. Unless you've got a large garden that you regularly water, or some other reason for using a lot of water, you ought to make a significant saving and, if you don't, you can switch back.
    Originally posted by Eric Disley
    Yes you cannot revert to unmetered(RV based) charges.

    The only exception is if the account holder applied for a meter. They(the account holder) then have the option to revert within 2 years(1 year with some companies) to unmetered charges.
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Thanks. The water meter is actually already in place in my propoerty and they have sent me an offer valid for two years if I want to switch it to meter.

    Could we switch it back anytime in the future and no time restriction when we will not be able to switch it back without huge cost of doing so? For instance, after five years with meter, I rent my property, could I switch it back to unmetered water ?? In this case is there any significant cost of involving switching back ??

    From Cardew post I understand after two years with meter there is no more option to dwitch it back to unmetered. Am I understand it correctly ???
    Last edited by adindas; 26-12-2016 at 11:51 PM.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 27th Dec 16, 10:18 AM
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    Cardew
    Thanks. The water meter is actually already in place in my propoerty and they have sent me an offer valid for two years if I want to switch it to meter.

    Could we switch it back anytime in the future and no time restriction when we will not be able to switch it back without huge cost of doing so? For instance, after five years with meter, I rent my property, could I switch it back to unmetered water ?? In this case is there any significant cost of involving switching back ??

    From Cardew post I understand after two years with meter there is no more option to dwitch it back to unmetered. Am I understand it correctly ???
    Originally posted by adindas
    Firstly, as the water meter was already in place, I cannot understand how you are being offered the chance to remain on non-metered rates. It is standard procedure that new occupants will be metered.

    There is also no option to ever revert to non- metered(ie, RV based) charges; other than the occupant who initially applied for a meter.

    All the information is here:

    http://ccwater.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/439
    • adindas
    • By adindas 27th Dec 16, 12:49 PM
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    adindas
    Firstly, as the water meter was already in place, I cannot understand how you are being offered the chance to remain on non-metered rates. It is standard procedure that new occupants will be metered.

    There is also no option to ever revert to non- metered(ie, RV based) charges; other than the occupant who initially applied for a meter.

    All the information is here:

    http://ccwater.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/439
    Originally posted by Cardew
    Thank for taking time asnwering my question. I really appreciate it ...

    I think I will need to make it clear my case. I am living in London so my water is supplied by Thameswater.

    I am the home owner occupant. When I bought the house five years ago it was unmetered. About one year ago they started sending the letter to the people on my areas, that they are going to put a meter in our areas. I herewith copy and paste of the letter I received

    Dear Mr XXX

    thameswatar.co.uk/mymeter
    0800 316 0989
    Mon- Frl8am-8pm. Sat 8am-1pm
    Our ref : XXXXXX
    Job ref: XXXXXXX

    We are writing to let you know about plans to fit smart water meters in your area. how this will affect you and why we're doing it.
    Managing water supplies will only get more difficult as our population grows and our climate changes.

    As a result. we need to modernise the way we manage supplies by fitting meters across our region.
    Meters are the fairest way to pay. as you only pay for what you use. and metered customers tend to
    use 12 per cent less water. Smart technology will enable you to view your usage online to better
    control your bill.
    To make the change to a meter as easy as possible for you. we will:
    • Help you adjust: You will not be moved on to a metered account until two years after your meter Is activated to give you time to understand your water use and charges.
    • Keep in touch: We'll send you comparison bllls so you can see how a meter could Impact your bill. and find out if you would save money by switching to a meter early.
    • Help you save water, energy and money: You can sign up for a free Smarter Home Visit where we'll fit free water-saving devices that could help you save up to 180 on annual metered water and energy bills.
    • Credit your account: If we find your metered bill would be lower than your unmetered charges. we'll credit your account with the difference if you ask to switch within the first year.
    • Fix any leaks we find under your garden or driveway free of charge.
    • Provide extra support and financial assistance for customers in hardship.

    When will I get my smart meter?
    We plan to start work in your area in about one month. If we need to temporarily cone off some areas In your street we'll send you a reminder a few days before work starts. to let you know. If you have been unable to get a meter fitted in the past. we will reassess this.

    Ahead of this work. our team will knock on doors to answer any questions and discuss the next steps.
    The enclosed booklet should provide you with everything you need to know in the meantime.

    Please note that this letter is just for information. and there is no action for you to take.


    The meter in my areas finally arrive about a few months ago but I am still within one year windows.

    You explain it that there is also no option to ever revert to non- metered(ie, RV based) charges; other than the occupant who initially applied for a meter.

    I will be the occupant who will apply for to use the meter water if I decide to do so in the near future.

    I wonder I do apply for a meter, could I revert it back after two years elapse a few month before I rent my property (If I decide to do so in the future) ?

    Apart from the above, is there any disadvantage or pitfall I will need to be aware of when I decide to go for meter water ??

    I just want to gather preliminary information. My personal experience is telling do not just believe what "the vendor" is telling you as their advise is impartial and they might just give a good features and hiding the positive features if you do not ask them. People normally do not ask this thing as they do not know. I am trying to gather this info.

    Thank again in advance for answering my queries ...
    Last edited by adindas; 27-12-2016 at 12:58 PM.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 27th Dec 16, 5:13 PM
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    Thanks for the explanation.

    You can revert back to RV charges within 2 years of having a meter; but the meter will be left in situ. However if you rent the new occupant will pay metered charges if the account is put in their name; and from then on RV charges is not an option for anyone - including yourself.

    Average consumption is 55 cubic metres per person per year, you can get a good idea from the website if metering is likely to be advantageous.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 27th Dec 16, 6:00 PM
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    The letter you've got looks like the ones that are being sent out by certain water companies who are allowed to impose a water meter onto customers, whether they want one or not.

    Some water companies in water sensitive areas can fit meter to aid water conservation - you may be in one of them, you need to check what the terms & conditions are
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    • KenWilson
    • By KenWilson 16th Feb 17, 7:11 AM
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    I think you should install Eddy Home water saving H2O sensor. It can help you save money on your water bill.
    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 16th Feb 17, 9:52 AM
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    Cardew
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    • harrym1byt
    • By harrym1byt 3rd Mar 17, 9:23 AM
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    We were charged on RV until recently, 533 per year was this years bill, paid in 8x instalments.

    I used the online calculator which is supposed to work out what it would cost per year, if we were on a meter. There are two of us, living in a semi and both retired. We never water the garden and are supplied by Yorkshire Water. The calculator suggested we would likely end up paying 170 [1] per annum, so we requested a meter be installed. Four working days later, it was fitted under the kitchen sink. No charge and we get two years to decide whether to go back to RV billing.

    YW estimated (?) we would use 90cuM (246L per day) so based our charge on that, 324 per annum, 27 per month x12. It has been in just 23 days and I logged it daily, out of curiosity. Sometimes we exceed the 246L, but not often. Our average is 214L per day which will be around 78cuM per annum, versus the 90cuM estimate - so I am expecting we will be over paying and get a refund.

    YW's letter only said 90cuM / 324 per annum, so I also asked YW to write to me with a breakdown of how they had arrived at this...

    Their reply was as follows:-
    Water standing charge 23.28
    Sewerage standing charge 8.76
    Surface water drainage charge 38.92
    So 62.21 before any water is recorded on the meter

    Water is charged at 1.29 per !!!
    Sewerage volume at 95% of metered, 1.61

    We also received a 126 refund of the RV charge we had paid for the year so far.

    For the next year, I am expecting our bill to be between 50% and 65% of what we have paid for many years. This without any changes in our living style at all.

    [1] Why the online calculator got it so far out I don't know, perhaps it omits the standing charges, but something to be wary of. How YW were able to estimate how much we might use, is another mystery, but not that far out. Maybe they have access to figures of how many are living here?
    Originally posted by harrym1byt
    A longer term update on this....

    For a few years I have maintained a gas and electric consumption and cost spreadsheet. I recently updated that to include water costs, just to see how we were doing with the meter.

    YW are charging us 27 per month x 12 months, 324 per annum, based upon their calculation that we would use 90CuM of water plus standing charges.

    My spreadsheet, logged weekly, suggests we will use around 75.2CuM so our eventual bill will be around 289.00 for the year. So a very worthwhile saving on our unmetered RV based charge of 533 per annum.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 3rd Mar 17, 1:46 PM
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    I'm with Anglian water and just the standing charge for water and sewerage come to 518 a year without adding the rateable value portion at 29p in the pound so we'd have a minimum spend of of at least 45 a month. I dont actually know what our Rv is as we got the water meter fitted as soon as we moved in - that immediately saved us over 200 a year. I guess we'd be paying over 600 a year by now

    We pay 324 ayear (27 a month) at the moment and we use about 70cu.m a year.

    We dont stint on using water but dont waste it either although we do wash our cars and caravan and we've got an automatic watering system which is on from around April to September.

    Having a water meter is a no brainer for us. I'd have to use an extra 50-60cu.m a year to justify being on a rateable tariff.
    Last edited by matelodave; 03-03-2017 at 1:49 PM.
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    • Stephanie4304
    • By Stephanie4304 22nd Mar 17, 5:56 PM
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    Meter is a life saver !never looked back!!!!
    • KenWilson
    • By KenWilson 29th Mar 17, 12:24 PM
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    Not spam, Cardew! But if you really want to save water, you should be opting for water-saving technologies. I just suggested Eddy Home. There are many other products too; you can Google them.
    • Stella72
    • By Stella72 29th Jun 17, 2:43 PM
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    Water meter - do I dont I
    I was wondering about putting a water meter in, but don't know if it will say me money in the long run.
    I am paying 40 pounds a week for water and waste. Only a 2 bed 1 bathroom house and only 2 people live here.
    I heard that if you have a water meter fitted you can trial it for 6 months - has anyone heard of this?
    Thanks
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