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    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 13th Jan 10, 9:48 PM
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    seven-day-weekend
    I would like to point out that many people who live in warmer climes do NOT qualify for the Winter Fuel payment. You only get it if you qualified in the Uk before you went to live abroad (i.e. if you were over 60). You don't get it if you went abroad before you were 60.

    And anyway Spain IS cold in the winter. We have had freezing winds and snow this last two weeks.

    As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that.

    (I do NOT get the Winter Fuel payment as I am still (just) under 60 and neither does my husband who is nearly 61 as he has not qualified for it in the UK).
    Last edited by seven-day-weekend; 13-01-2010 at 9:51 PM.
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    • sheeps68
    • By sheeps68 13th Jan 10, 10:02 PM
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    sheeps68
    From DWP website "Disability Living Allowance - sometimes referred to as DLA - is a tax-free benefit for children and adults who need help with personal care or have walking difficulties because they are physically or mentally disabled.

    a care component - if you need help looking after yourself or supervision to keep you safe
    a mobility component - if you can't walk or need help getting around"

    I think that clearly shows what DLA is for. If not working Income support etc has to stretch to cover every other need eg accomodation food, fuel heat clothing. A person working has to make their salary stretch.
    • Wannabedebtfree
    • By Wannabedebtfree 13th Jan 10, 10:02 PM
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    Wannabedebtfree
    Sorry thats what i meant, so why isn't WFP means tested? in fact the CWP which is means tested would involve 10 weeks of zero conditions before we would get the same amount, or in the case of a couple 16 weeks, and while i'm asking questions why does a couple get more than a single person, do they not both feel the same heat?
    Originally posted by mellc
    Regards to WFP, a couple do not receive more than a single person, they receive the same amount.

    As for CWP, I have no idea as I don't know anyone who claims pension credit to find out if it's per person.
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  • DX2
    No I dont get pension credit, I was just inquiring.
    Originally posted by moonsilk2
    I know you were enquiring, and as I had pointed out already it wasn't a simple case of yes/no. Due to your age I thought perhaps you might be eligible for pension credit which would then make you eligible for a CWP.
  • DX2
    The annual cost of extending winter fuel payments to people aged under 60 receiving disability living allowance under the special rules related to a terminal illness is estimated at approximately £6 million.
    http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm071011/text/71011w0014.htm

    That's just for terminal illness, imagine what it would cost if every person on DLA got it!
  • krisskross
    The annual cost of extending winter fuel payments to people aged under 60 receiving disability living allowance under the special rules related to a terminal illness is estimated at approximately £6 million.
    http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200607/cmhansrd/cm071011/text/71011w0014.htm

    That's just for terminal illness, imagine what it would cost if every person on DLA got it!
    Originally posted by DX2
    Problem is a lot of people who are used to their income just appearing in the bank without any effort on their part forget that it all has to be paid for by someone.
  • DX2
    Problem is a lot of people who are used to their income just appearing in the bank without any effort on their part forget that it all has to be paid for by someone.
    Originally posted by krisskross
    Sounds like my son! You can go to the hole in the wall...
    • richard9991
    • By richard9991 13th Jan 10, 10:55 PM
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    I would like to point out that many people who live in warmer climes do NOT qualify for the Winter Fuel payment. You only get it if you qualified in the Uk before you went to live abroad (i.e. if you were over 60). You don't get it if you went abroad before you were 60.

    And anyway Spain IS cold in the winter. We have had freezing winds and snow this last two weeks.

    As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that.

    (I do NOT get the Winter Fuel payment as I am still (just) under 60 and neither does my husband who is nearly 61 as he has not qualified for it in the UK).
    Originally posted by seven-day-weekend
    people over 60 do get dla aswell as wfp
    • richard9991
    • By richard9991 13th Jan 10, 11:00 PM
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    richard9991
    and pensioners have to use their pensions
    Originally posted by misty blue
    lots of pensioners also get dla or attendance allowance and still get wfa
    • richard9991
    • By richard9991 13th Jan 10, 11:02 PM
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    richard9991
    but they dont get DLA do they ?
    and they only get winter fuel allowance during the winter, not all year round like DLA
    Originally posted by misty blue
    if pensioners are disabled then they to can get dla or attendance allowance if over 65 and the wfa
  • krisskross
    Think the best solution is to raise the State pension by at least £5 a week but keep that £5 back and give it as a lump sum in November. Perhaps then you would stop casting greedy covetous eyes at something someone else is getting.
    • richard9991
    • By richard9991 13th Jan 10, 11:17 PM
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    richard9991
    Sorry thats what i meant, so why isn't WFP means tested? in fact the CWP which is means tested would involve 10 weeks of zero conditions before we would get the same amount, or in the case of a couple 16 weeks, and while i'm asking questions why does a couple get more than a single person, do they not both feel the same heat?
    Originally posted by mellc
    a couple get the same they get 2x £125which equels £250 the same as a single person
  • Hologram
    Thought some of you on here would be intersested in signing this petition asking the government to pay the winter fuel payment to disabled people as well. Most disabled people find that cold makes their conditions worsen.

    I know there have been other petitions in the past but it doesnt hurt to keep the pressure up on them does it!

    http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/winterfuelforall/

    Just to clarify that the petition asks that winter fuel payment is payable to all those who suffer from a chronic illness.

    I am not the proposer of this petition I just came across it on the Fibromyalgia forum & thought it would be of interest to some.
    Originally posted by johnwayne
    Thanks, I've signed up too. I am a volunteer worker with people with disabilities and there are some very genuinely created problems by this ridiculous weather.
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    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 14th Jan 10, 8:28 AM
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    Indie Kid

    I think that clearly shows what DLA is for. If not working Income support etc has to stretch to cover every other need eg accomodation food, fuel heat clothing. A person working has to make their salary stretch.
    Originally posted by sheeps68
    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.
    • Sequeena
    • By Sequeena 14th Jan 10, 8:34 AM
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    Sequeena
    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.
    Originally posted by sh1305
    Yeah I wish the sad reality is a lot of working people/couples/families aren't as better off as you think. I have no social life, I don't get any simple pleasures (cinema etc. once in a blue moon if I'm lucky!) we all have our problems, disabled or not.
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  • DX2
    Except someone who is working gets a lot more than what us disabled folk who can't work get.
    Originally posted by sh1305
    Beg to differ!
    • fedupconsumer
    • By fedupconsumer 14th Jan 10, 10:33 AM
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    fedupconsumer
    " As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that."

    How many more times do people need to tell others DLA is not meant to cover heating or bills its for care (buying specialist equipment or employing someone to care for you.) and mobility for getting out and about. After that the cupboard is empty if you take the average disabled benefit minus bills, household insurance and food there is nothing left so how the heck can you say it covers extra heating is farcical and ignorant.

    How many pensioners do use the money for christmas presents not heating, I have known a few. Money should be paid also directly to the utilities companies. Anyone thought of that as well something is wrong here and saying that disabled people who are very very ill indeed have the money to cover it is just madness, again hit people who are at most risk.

    "Perhaps DLA should be means tested also?"

    DLA is tested on clinical need of the patient or claimant it has always and will always remain that way.

    I see a lot of people are just wading into this debate with little understanding of the realities of people living in poverty. Of using the excuse that I have paid my way for others to live in "luxury" for people who do not live in this country anymore to be awarded benefits which should remain within the territorial boundaries of the United Kingdom. Which disabled people do pay taxes on everything from petrol to bread pumping money into the economy.

    The era of people helping out of community spirit and understanding is well and truly dead. Politicians fail to realize that instead of winning political capital they have forgotten the basis of politics to create a fair society to help their constituents.
    Last edited by fedupconsumer; 14-01-2010 at 10:41 AM.
  • krisskross
    " As regards disabled getting the allowance, I can only agree with what others have said, that DLA and other Benenfits are there to cover that."

    How many more times do people need to tell others DLA is not meant to cover heating or bills its for care (buying specialist equipment or employing someone to care for you.) and mobility for getting out and about. After that the cupboard is empty if you take the average disabled benefit minus bills, household insurance and food there is nothing left so how the heck can you say it covers extra heating is farcical and ignorant.

    How many pensioners do use the money for christmas presents not heating, I have known a few. Money should be paid also directly to the utilities companies. Anyone thought of that as well something is wrong here and saying that disabled people who are very very ill indeed have the money to cover it is just madness, again hit people who are at most risk.

    "Perhaps DLA should be means tested also?"

    DLA is tested on clinical need of the patient or claimant it has always and will always remain that way.
    Originally posted by fedupconsumer
    Surely DLA is given to help with the extra costs associated with being disabled? What if the only thing that could be done to help was extra heating? Surely this would come under'care needs'?

    As you and several others complain that pensioners do not necessarily use the WFP for energy bills then perhaps it is time for people receiving DLA to specify exactly what they spend that money on. After all even the lowest tier is considerably more than the WFP.

    As we pay our fuel bills by DD throughout the year we have usually built up a surplus by winter. The WFP goes into our bank account and just becomes 'our money' to spend as we wish. Exactly like DLA goes into people's accounts with no check on how it is spent.

    I know a young man who gets low rate care and mobility. He lives with his parents and pays for no care. He doesn't need any actual physical care except for someone to say it is about time he had a shower, changed his bed etc. Neither does he have mobility needs as he is agrophobic so doesn't go out and has no physical issues to limit his mobility. So he gets £36 a week to spend on computer games.
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 14th Jan 10, 11:18 AM
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    Indie Kid
    Do you know his circumstances though? No-one has to justify themseleves to you, as to what we do & don't spend our DLA on.

    Like people have already said, DLA DOESN'T cover the full costs of being disabled. Try telling that to people like myself, who often have to save up their DLA to buy things, or spend their own money on disability related stuff.

    For most people heating isn't the only disability related expensive they have.
  • fizzytrinket
    shouldn't we all be petitioning for cheaper gas and electricity across the board so that we can all worry less about our bill?
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