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    idvi
    Blue Badge
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    • 3rd Jul 10, 11:33 AM
    Blue Badge 3rd Jul 10 at 11:33 AM
    Hi there,

    I have some mental health problems and have been advised i might be able to get a blue badge because of anxieties and the bipolar/ocd.

    but looking around mental problems dont "normally" qualify

    Should I apply or not? i dont want to be done for fraud if I apply and i'm thought to be a 'faker', I just thought that if I had it then it would make life easier for going out

    I already have the bus pass, cinema card, dla mid-rate care etc

    all advice welcome!

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    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 4th Jul 10, 3:21 PM
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    kingfisherblue
    most people dont ask permission though.i dont even go asda anymore.they have loads of bays but they are full of cars with no badge,its not a case of who can use them or not on private land,its a case of a bit of thought and respect for people with difficulty walking.am sure your daughter needed it at that time and at least she asked first.
    Originally posted by cherub1965

    I parked at Asda last week. My son, who has a BB, was in the car with me and came into the shop with me. I pointed out to Customer Services that there were half a dozen cars parked in disabled spaces but not displaying BBs. The Customer Services lady apologised and promised to get them moved as soon as possible. She asked one of the trolley men to bring her registrations of offending cars. Within a few minutes, she was reading out (a couple at a time) car registration numbers, asking them to go to Customer Services.

    It's worth asking at your Asda if they will do the same. I wish our local Morrisons would!
    • cherub1965
    • By cherub1965 4th Jul 10, 3:48 PM
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    cherub1965
    i have done that myself after ringing and speaking to the manager.went to security guard and he just shrugged and said it wasnt his problem and went to customer services and they said they couldnt leave the store to get numbers.waste of time so i just dont shop there now,their loss as i used to spend a fortune there!people nip to the pharmacy or for a paper or lotto and think its ok as they are just going to be a minute.if they had staff go out maybe every hour and check they would make a fortune as there are signs up saying its a £60 fine for parking there.they have a private firm enforcing this but they only come onve or twice a day.if there was more people being fined they would think twice about parking there.
    • McKneff
    • By McKneff 4th Jul 10, 5:07 PM
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    McKneff
    No supermarket or their agents can enforce 'fines'
    Fines can only be enforced by councils or the police.

    These 'fines' are really invoices are not worth the paper they are written on anyway and they cannot be enforced. All you have to do
    is completly ignore any paperwork that comes in the post, hold your nerve, ignore every threat that they 'may' take you to court or
    they 'may' do this or that. They wont,
    All this was on watchdog a little while ago. For more information have a look at the pepipoo website, its all there.
    make the most of it, we are only here for the weekend.
    and we will never, ever return.
  • Aputsiaq
    getting the lower rate dosent mean you wont get a blue badge, the council can get in touch with your GP and witht their support a blue badge will be issued, but it does depend on the GP.
    Originally posted by harleq1962
    It depends on the council....a GP cannot insist a patient has a Blue Badge.
  • ash4becks
    It depends on the council....a GP cannot insist a patient has a Blue Badge.
    Originally posted by Aputsiaq
    yes they can if they see it is benift to who it is to be used for as i have just sorted this out for a good friend of mine and intead to do the same after my medical stuff is confimed
  • Aputsiaq
    yes they can if they see it is benift to who it is to be used for as i have just sorted this out for a good friend of mine and intead to do the same after my medical stuff is confimed
    Originally posted by ash4becks
    A GP cant overrule what the councils rules are. He is a doctor...not the prime minister.
    He might have helped you out or gone out of his way to write a damn good letter...but he most certainly cannot pick up the phone and demand that his patient gets a badge.
    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 4th Jul 10, 9:11 PM
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    kingfisherblue
    In my town, it is possible to get a blue badge without getting HRM, but anybody who applies and doesn't receive HRM has to have a medical. My mum-in-law is in her seventies and has had problems with walking for over twenty years. She didn't realise that she could apply for DLA and has only applied for AA in the past few years (which she receives at the lower rate). AA does not have a mobility component, but as she has difficulty in walking, I suggested that she applied for a BB. She was sent to a local clinic for a medical and received her BB with no problems at all. I've just suggested to FIL that he should apply for a BB, as he has considerable health problems as well. As he is also in his seventies, he wouldn't get one automatically, but is likely to have to attend a medical.

    Our council also used to give BBs to anybody over the age of eighty, whether they needed one or not. I don't know if this is still the case, but it certainly used to happen about twelve years ago.
  • idvi
    hi all, i was having a google and found this in an pdf file from the dept of transport website, its from a study in 2007 about the BB

    its long but there is a lot of good stuff in there about wether mentalhealth problems need a BB



    4.4.1 Travel behaviour and mobility problems
    People with learning disabilities


    Many respondents with learning disabilities stated that their condition
    affected their mobility. Walking difficulties for some meant that walking
    was limited to short distances. Depending on the severity of the
    condition, respondents preferred not to use public transport due to the
    following factors:

    • Fear of safety and personal security;
    • Lack of awareness and understanding amongst the public and
    transport staff of their condition;
    • Difficulties understanding public transport timetables and
    schedules.

    Transport & Travel Research Ltd Page 35 November 2007
    Eligibility for the Blue Badge Scheme


    For many respondents (with severe conditions) journeys by
    public transport were only possible for them when accompanied by their
    carer.

    People with Mental Health Difficulties

    In general, due to the wide range of mental health difficulties, it is difficult
    to place a definite answer as to whether or not there is a direct effect on
    a person’s ability to access and use public transport. Some will
    encounter no problems, whilst others will create serious barriers. The
    research has found that:

    • For people with anxiety disorders including panic attacks, using
    public transport can be problematic and can trigger an attack.
    • For those with severe disorders (e.g. schizophrenia) using public
    transport could trigger extreme forms of mental distress.
    • Unclear, unambiguous signage can cause problems for those with
    conditions such as anxiety disorders and panic attacks.

    For people prone to panic attacks, some may start to associate particular
    places and situations with having a panic attack. In an attempt to avoid
    another attack, one may start to avoid places where attacks have
    previously occurred. In this way, a person may put increasing restrictions
    on their day-to-day activities and develop agoraphobia or social phobia.

    Many respondents with anxiety-disorders and panic attacks noted that
    public transport is difficult for them to use due to feelings of being
    enclosed and vulnerable, which could trigger an attack. Crowded buses
    and trains could also have the same effect. Other problems such as the
    fear of crime and anti-social behaviour on public transport discouraged
    use. Taxis, like buses and trains, also posed the same problems in terms
    of not being in control and feeling of enclosure (over and above the
    expense element).

    4.4.2 Aspirations and perceived benefits in relation to parking
    concessions
    People with learning disabilities


    The parking aspirations identified for people with learning disabilities
    included the concession to park as close as possible to the destination.
    The avoidance of crossing main and busy roads would be highly
    beneficial to many of the respondents with learning disabilities. It was
    Transport & Travel Research Ltd Page 36 November 2007
    Eligibility for the Blue Badge Scheme


    reported by respondents that often they are not able to make
    journeys if it entails crossing a road.

    Respondents indicated that they require longer time limits than those
    currently enforced at many car parks due to the slow pace of many
    people with learning disabilities. For people that could not walk at all, this
    need was greater. For some respondents, the problems encountered,
    particularly with walking and behaviour, were such that the availability of
    parking bays determined the destination trying to be accessed.

    Concession to park on single- or double-yellow lines

    This concession was regarded as beneficial and ‘important’ among most
    respondents with learning difficulties especially for city centre shopping
    trips, making doctor and dental appointments, and for going to the
    cinema and theatre. The average lengths of time in which respondents
    would benefit from the concession to park on single- or double yellow
    lines varied form 2 hours for shopping trips, 30 minutes to 1 hour for
    doctor and dental appointments, and up to 3 hours for leisure and
    recreation purposes.

    Concession to park at a parking meter, or in an on-street pay-and-
    display parking space


    This concession was regarded as ‘important’ and beneficial to
    respondents with learning difficulties especially for shopping and leisure
    trips and for visiting local amenities (post office, shops) and for making
    hospital appointments. Respondents said that they would benefit from a
    parking time of 1 hour for these journey purposes.

    Concession to park in an off-street parking space reserved for disabled
    people


    This concession was also regarded as ‘important’ and beneficial to
    respondents with learning difficulties. Respondents’ aspirations for this
    concession included a parking time of 1-2 hours for making trips to local
    amenities (Post Office, shops), leisure centres, job centre, making
    doctors, dental and hospital appointments.

    People with mental health difficulties

    Whilst driving was described as the only feasible mode of travel for
    people with panic attacks and agoraphobia, the following issues were
    highlighted:

    • Problems finding a parking space caused anxiety and panic. A
    person will abandon a trip altogether due to the inability to find a
    space.
    • Those with more severe agoraphobia will not leave their house due
    to walking distances. Even for those with a less severe condition,
    quality of life would be greatly improved if they could park close to
    their destination (all severity levels would benefit potentially).
    • Problems going shopping. Parking far away from shops caused a
    great deal of stress and often meant that trips were abandoned
    because the anxiety triggered panic attacks.
    • Multi-storey car parks were also difficult for respondents to face
    due to feeling of enclosure, which could lead to a panic attack.
    • Feeling of getting lost if car is parked far away and can't be found
    easily. A Blue Badge would mean that respondents could park next
    to destination which would reduce the anxiety.

    Respondents with OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) encountered a
    lot of problems in reaching their final destinations. The lack of normal
    parking spaces meant that having a badge would mean being able to
    park close to the destination. Problems also exist with objects such as
    barriers, bollards and signs being “dirty” – in addition, parking close to
    visible dirty objects (for example, litter) caused huge problems.

    With Tourette’s Syndrome, repetitive behaviour can hinder the use of
    public and private transport. They might affect a person’s ability to board
    a bus. Obsessive Compulsive Behaviours may also distract a road user
    from the road (for instance, compulsive mirror checking).

    Concession to park on single- or double-yellow lines

    This concession was regarded as beneficial and ‘essential’ among most
    of the respondents with mental health difficulties particularly
    agoraphobics and people with anxiety-related disorders. Respondents
    said they would benefit most from this concession for making shopping
    and social trips in which a 3 hour parking time would be beneficial.

    Transport & Travel Research Ltd Page 38 November 2007
    Eligibility for the Blue Badge Scheme


    Concession to park at a parking meter, or in an on-street pay-
    and-display parking space


    Again, this concession was regarded as ‘essential’ to respondents with
    agoraphobia and anxiety-related disorders. Shopping was the only trip
    nominated for this concession in which respondents said that they would
    benefit from a parking time of up to 3 hours.

    The same aspirations in relation to the concession to park in a reserved
    off-street parking space for disabled people were expressed by
    respondents with mental health difficulties.

    4.4.3 Perceptions of the Blue Badge Scheme and its administration
    People with learning disabilities


    The administration of the system was found to be positive overall. There
    was a feeling that the criteria should be widened to include those with
    walking difficulties associated to any condition, not just learning
    disabilities. This was due to the problems caused by walking difficulties.

    There was a general agreement that people with “hidden” disabilities
    should be included in the eligibility criteria. The reasoning behind this
    was that there were numerous problems facing people with various types
    of hidden disabilities, for whom it was felt would benefit if they were to be
    included. A strong belief was held that people should become newly
    eligible if in receipt of the lower rate of the mobility component of the
    DLA.

    Whilst there was an element of uncertainty over the number of Blue
    Badges in circulation, the research found that more badges would be
    beneficial to those who need them but presently cannot hold one.

    People with mental health difficulties

    The eligibility criteria of the Blue Badge were regarded as not broad
    enough. The research uncovered a feeling that more people should be
    entitled to the Blue Badge. Problems with lack of assertiveness caused
    anxiety sufferers to find it difficult due to low self-esteem. There was a
    general stigma attached to agoraphobia and panic attacks. A major
    perception was that if quality of life was undermined as a result of
    needing and not having a concession, then one should be included.
    • Be Happy
    • By Be Happy 5th Jul 10, 10:41 AM
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    Be Happy
    I parked at Asda last week. My son, who has a BB, was in the car with me and came into the shop with me. I pointed out to Customer Services that there were half a dozen cars parked in disabled spaces but not displaying BBs. The Customer Services lady apologised and promised to get them moved as soon as possible. She asked one of the trolley men to bring her registrations of offending cars. Within a few minutes, she was reading out (a couple at a time) car registration numbers, asking them to go to Customer Services.

    It's worth asking at your Asda if they will do the same. I wish our local Morrisons would!
    Originally posted by kingfisherblue
    In our local Asda several years ago they usually tannoyed for owners of cars parked wrongly to contact customer service desk. On one occasion no-one came forward, so store manager parked his car across the back of wrongly parked car. Owner soon came to customer service desk to complain!
  • jennie-jack
    my mum gor her blue badge without DLA, granted she got high rate mobility when she finally did apply but this was after the blue badge people asked why she didnt get dla.
  • Invasion
    Why would it be good to hear of someone who got a badge for the same reasons?

    Its absolutely crazy what goes on with these things....every man and his dog wants a blue badge because they can park in the middle of town or get free parking in some cases....no thought at all whether they 'really' need it.

    Those badges should be for people who have considerable trouble walking or cannot walk....only!!
    And most councils agree....as most now stipulate that you MUST be in receipt of Higher Mobility DLA to get one.

    Quite right too!
    Originally posted by Aputsiaq
    That's not correct.. If it were then those councils would be acting illegally, if you become disabled over the age of 65 then you are not entitled to DLA.. Yet they must be allowed to make an application and get a blue badge.

    People who are registered blind are also automatically entitled to a blue badge.

    Those in receipt of War Pensioner's Mobility Supplement are also automatically entitled.
  • TheBottomLine
    I've got a blue badge, it was awarded due to my being registered blind and I get the lower rate of mobility. It is true that many disabled parking bays are not directly outisde the premises you are going to but they are situated differently. For example many are directly next to paved areas so you do not have to cross the car park in front of other cars, or in the case of a multi-storey they will usually be on the lower level. At my local supermarket there are some disabled bays quite far from the store but have a pathway all the way to the doors with no breaks for cars. The only thing making this difficult is ignorant and lazy shoppers who leave trolleys here.

    One thing I might ask; I have little pain when I walk so distance is not really an issue, and I obviously do not drive so I am never alone when put in the car. Anyone think I shouldn't have a blue badge?
  • idvi
    just thought i'd update,

    spoke to the doc yesterday,he thought it would be unlikely i'd get it too but he is going to explain my problems to them when they contact him

    so we'll see what happens!n
    2 esa medicals passed successfully (support group - it can be done!!)!!
  • pwales
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    this topic really bothers me so much it made me register to the forum....i am a wheelchair user spinal cord injury...i need a wide space to get my chair out without damaging the car next to me....i dont care how far away it is from anywhere ! these space are misused by people who can walk, i have been getting in to my chair dozens of time when it is tipping down with rain getting soaking then some blue badge holders pull up in there car and RUN!! to the shop so as no to get wet!!!!!!.. then spend ages walking around the shops with no issues...THE BLUE BADGE SCHEME IS CORUPT! it should only be for people who need wider spaces to get in and out of there vehical.......why are some people trying to be disabled !being disabled is horrible! i wish everyday i could walk !!!!!!!!!! i would rip up that blue badge in seconds!!!
  • guidarufino
    I totally agree that the whole system is hugely abused, and not just by people who don't have badges. Loads of people use blue badges that belong to other people, elderly relatives for instance, so they can park for free, closer to the door etc. I'm obviously talking about when that relative isn't with them. I'm not even disabled so it doesn't affect me but it does make me really cross when I see people doing this.

    So, should I report someone who I know for a fact is abusing the system? I won't say who it is but I've seen him use what I believe to be his mother's BB so he can park directly outside the building in the centre of town with impugnity. Part of me thinks it's really petty to grass people up like that but part of me thinks he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. My friend's dad is disabled and apparently often finds it hard to get a disabled space because of people abusing the system.

    And just to kick off another bit of controversy, what do we think about those parent toddler spaces?...
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  • pwales
    I totally agree that the whole system is hugely abused, and not just by people who don't have badges. Loads of people use blue badges that belong to other people, elderly relatives for instance, so they can park for free, closer to the door etc. I'm obviously talking about when that relative isn't with them. I'm not even disabled so it doesn't affect me but it does make me really cross when I see people doing this.

    So, should I report someone who I know for a fact is abusing the system? I won't say who it is but I've seen him use what I believe to be his mother's BB so he can park directly outside the building in the centre of town with impugnity. Part of me thinks it's really petty to grass people up like that but part of me thinks he shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. My friend's dad is disabled and apparently often finds it hard to get a disabled space because of people abusing the system.

    And just to kick off another bit of controversy, what do we think about those parent toddler spaces?...
    Originally posted by guidarufino
    hi grass him up asap ... i might get a space then!!!
  • suesieque
    blue badge
    I know someone who fosters a girl who is supposed to have learning difficulties...they get DLA at the middle rate plus the blue badge because...`she can“t go anywhere on her own“ she does however take herself to school every day which entails a walk of approx half a mile and then getting the shool bus...journey reversed in the afternoon
    • Indie Kid
    • By Indie Kid 14th Jul 10, 12:16 PM
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    Indie Kid
    why are some people trying to be disabled !
    Originally posted by pwales
    There is? Where?
  • ash4becks
    Quote: Originally Posted by pwales
    why are some people trying to be disabled !

    There is? Where?

    has to be said i would love nothing better to be skint with no problems never have to go to the doctors or hospitails all the time because i want to be a 24year old out clubing and painting the town and to have my life back , so please dont judge the odd few people that take the mick for people with problems iam sure theres more people with geuniue needs
    • cherub1965
    • By cherub1965 14th Jul 10, 12:35 PM
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    cherub1965
    why only for people who need more space getting out of the car????i havent got a wheelchair but i have immense pain walking at the min.every case is different.i also would love to be able to rip my badge up and walk without pain.i went to tesco last night and there are about 30 bays there so you can always get a space but all the ones closer to the door were taken by non badge users.i am really struggling to walk at the min and it annoys me so much.i was in the car while OH was loading the shopping and 2 seperate cars pulled up and the people legged it into the shop as it was raining heavily.
    i would give anything to have my health and mobility back,i agree with you.soul destroying.hopefully i will in the near future.
    Last edited by cherub1965; 14-07-2010 at 12:38 PM.
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